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imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:54 PM Jun 2016

AP claims secret superdelegates who wish to remain anonymous said privately they support Clinton!!!!

Good enough for the corporate media. But .........
Why do these super secret superdelegates want to keep their support of Clinton a big secret? Shouldn't they be proud to come out publicly and indicate they intend to vote for Secretary Clinton like 400 other superdelegates have? Why are they shy about their endorsement?
Maybe they want more wiggle room so they can change their minds before they cast their votes on July 25th. imagine2015




Perfect End to Democratic Primary: Anonymous Super-Delegates Declare Winner Through Media
by Glenn Greenwald
June 7, 2016


Last night, Associated Press – on a day when nobody voted – surprised everyone by abruptly declaring the Democratic Party primary over and Hillary Clinton the victor. The decree, issued the night before the California primary in which polls show Clinton and Bernie Sanders in a very close race, was based on the media organization’s survey of “super-delegates”: the Democratic Party’s 720 insiders, corporate donors and officials whose votes for the presidential nominee count the same as the actually elected delegates. AP claims that super-delegates who had not previously announced their intentions privately told AP reporters that they intend to vote for Clinton, bringing her over the threshold. AP is concealing the identity of the decisive super-delegates who said this.

Although the Sanders campaign rejected the validity of AP’s declaration – on the ground that the super-delegates do not vote until the convention and he intends to try to persuade them to vote for him – most major media outlets followed the projection and declared Clinton the winner.

This is the perfect symbolic ending to the Democratic Party primary. The nomination is consecrated by a media organization, on a day when nobody voted, based on secret discussions with anonymous establishment insiders and donors whose identity the media organization – incredibly – conceals. The decisive edifice of super-delegates is itself anti-democratic and inherently corrupt: designed to prevent actual voters from making choices that the party establishment dislikes. But for a party run by insiders and funded by corporate interests, it’s only fitting that their nomination process ends with such an ignominious, awkward and undemocratic sputter.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/06/07/perfect-end-democratic-primary-anonymous-super-delegates-declare-winner-through
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AP claims secret superdelegates who wish to remain anonymous said privately they support Clinton!!!! (Original Post) imagine2015 Jun 2016 OP
HOW DARE THEY OPEN THEIR DAMN PIEHOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gomez163 Jun 2016 #1
If Clinton really didn't want them to then they will be sorry soon enough Fumesucker Jun 2016 #3
Who is they??? Who they be? imagine2015 Jun 2016 #4
AP Knows. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #6
AP nose stuff. imagine2015 Jun 2016 #12
They have seen the hate and death threats toward other Clinton SD's? NCTraveler Jun 2016 #2
Amy Chozick of the NYT has received death threats from the Bernie Bros. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #7
But they just can't figure out why they might want to stay behind the scene for a bit longer. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #8
Who? Any evidence it was Bernie campaigners and not counterfeit "dirty trick" imposters? imagine2015 Jun 2016 #14
Chairs thrown! JudyM Jun 2016 #19
Or people posing as Berniebros. JudyM Jun 2016 #18
Amy CLAIMS this catnhatnh Jun 2016 #22
Right. Bernie Sanders and his violent thugs and goons are gonna get em! imagine2015 Jun 2016 #9
You don't seem to understand the difference between fear and intelligence. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #17
Greenwald's closing paragraph: Maedhros Jun 2016 #5
Well, I am registering as unaffiliated, after I vote for Alan Grayson in the Florida djean111 Jun 2016 #11
This will likely be my last post, here: Maedhros Jun 2016 #15
SPOT ON pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #10
Super secret super delegates? SheilaT Jun 2016 #13
but but but bernie says supers dont matter. wait they do matter if they vote only for him. nt msongs Jun 2016 #16
Washington Post: AP declined tell us which superdelegates informed them about their decisions imagine2015 Jun 2016 #20
Makes sense. They likely don't want to offend their Sanders' supporting constituents eastwestdem Jun 2016 #21
The list of superdelegates and who they each support is out in the open. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #23

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
3. If Clinton really didn't want them to then they will be sorry soon enough
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:57 PM
Jun 2016

I think there's a sewer inspector job open in Nome Alaska...

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
2. They have seen the hate and death threats toward other Clinton SD's?
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:57 PM
Jun 2016

I know those weren't truly Sanders supporters but we are talking serious threats none the less. Even an arrest at a Clinton SD's office. Guy literally showed up to his office to threaten him. These Trump supporters masquerading as Sanders supporters are extremely sick and violent.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
8. But they just can't figure out why they might want to stay behind the scene for a bit longer. nt.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jun 2016
 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
14. Who? Any evidence it was Bernie campaigners and not counterfeit "dirty trick" imposters?
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jun 2016

No evidence, no case.

Just more old fashioned mud slinging.

You hoping this one will stick?

Try something new and original.

Are you hiding from the notorious Sanders gang?



 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
9. Right. Bernie Sanders and his violent thugs and goons are gonna get em!
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jun 2016

If superdelegates are hiding under their beds fearing Bernie Sanders voters must be absolutely terrified of Donald Trump and his very real violent supporters.

How are you going to fight and defeat Trump if Hillary and the Democratic Party official superdelegates are paralyzed by fear?

Must be a really weak candidate with weak shaking in their boots superdelegates.


 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
5. Greenwald's closing paragraph:
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:01 PM
Jun 2016
That the Democratic Party nominating process is declared to be over in such an uninspiring, secretive, and elite-driven manner is perfectly symbolic of what the party, and its likely nominee, actually is. The one positive aspect, though significant, is symbolic, while the actual substance — rallying behind a Wall Street-funded, status quo-perpetuating, multimillionaire militarist — is grim in the extreme. The Democratic Party got exactly the ending it deserved.


I can't really add much to that, other than to ask "Why the fuck are progressives and liberals still meekly surrendering their political support to such a Party?"
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
11. Well, I am registering as unaffiliated, after I vote for Alan Grayson in the Florida
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:07 PM
Jun 2016

primary in August. Sadly, I cannot vote for Tim Canova. After that, I am out, and will do my best to work with or be useful to the groups that have coalesced because of Bernie.

I was never going to vote for anyone who shilled for or voted for the TPP and/or Fast Track, so anyone who thinks I was going to support Hillary, and then Bernie came along, is delusional. ISSUES, not personalities.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
13. Super secret super delegates?
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:12 PM
Jun 2016

Is this saying there are additional super delegates that no one even knows about?

Why exactly do I doubt that?

What I don't doubt is that not all of the Supers have come forward to say who they'll vote for at the Convention.

Hillary still does not have enough pledged delegates for the nomination. Yes, some 500 of the supers have said they'll vote for her at the Convention, most of whom pledged their support for her before anyone else was in the race.

It really is not yet over.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
20. Washington Post: AP declined tell us which superdelegates informed them about their decisions
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:24 PM
Jun 2016
Washington Post
June 7, 2016

"We don't know which superdelegates were the ones who informed the AP about their decisions on Monday; the AP declined to tell us who they were."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/07/why-the-associated-press-called-the-race-for-hillary-clinton-when-nobody-was-looking/
 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
21. Makes sense. They likely don't want to offend their Sanders' supporting constituents
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:31 PM
Jun 2016

by committing before the primaries are over. Given that Hillary has had this nomination essentially locked up since March, they realize that their votes are not necessary right now, so it makes perfect sense.

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