Bernie Sanders is taking a big risk: If he doesn’t drop out soon, he could become a villain

[arely staircase]

http://www.salon.com/2016/06/07/bernie_sanders_is_taking_a_big_risk_if_he_doesnt_drop_out_soon_he_could_become_a_villain/

The notion that Bernie and his surrogates continue to behave as if the superdelegates are still in play is the beginning of the end of Bernie’s reputation, even with some of his supporters, including online journalists who are disavowing their support.

There was a time when we could look to Bernie as the conscience of the left. Today, however, his moral high ground position is rapidly evaporating. Among other reasons, Bernie and his people have been deliberately swindling the public about delegate math and the alleged fluidity of superdelegates for weeks now and, in the past several days, the deception has grown thicker than ever. (Bernie told the National Press Club, for example, that a majority of pledged delegates is 2,383, even though it’s actually 2,026.) The Bernie campaign is telling us that somehow the superdelegates, who have affirmed their support to networks and publications of record, will, for the first time ever, inexplicably abandon the winner of a majority of pledged delegates and the winner of the popular vote for a relatively untested democratic-socialist because… why? California? May polling for the November election? Rally attendance?

This is like cajoling a homeowner to sell a house to a buyer who doesn’t have the money, but who just really, really, really wants it, and all their friends say they deserve to own it. Indeed, suggesting that supers don’t count because they haven’t officially voted at the convention is like announcing that you haven’t eaten lunch until you’ve fully digested it. It’s like hearing from contrarian wonks who wait for the electoral college to hold its ceremonial votes in December before acknowledging the obvious winner of the November election.

[wendylaroux]

1. lol!!!!!!!!!

good one!!

[arely staircase]

2. I didn't write it. nt

[eastwestdem]

14. Exactly why I've been saying for weeks that as a Hillary supporter, I would prefer if he stay in!

It would be more enjoyable, from a sadistic standpoint to watch his decline into irrelevance in the public eye. And I think we stand a better chance at Democratic unity if his supporters were to see it too, which would help to lessen his hero status and reinforce that politicians are by necessity people with large egos.

[The Wielding Truth]

24. As long As he is still fighting for this country and us - the 99%. He will remain a good guy.

[eastwestdem]

32. I do hope you're right, but it's hard to imagine that would be his reason for staying in. nt

[mikeysnot]

26. ^^

[eastwestdem]

35. We'll see...in general losers in the primary, particularly ones too old to run again, don't make

any impact on history.

[mikeysnot]

58. Hillary is not to old?

[GoneFishin]

31. The fact that you feel that way about a guy who advocates better lives for the 99% is pretty sick.

You must really be pissed about the upset to the coronation.

[JimDandy]

56. Oh, they are beyond pissed at him for primarying Hillary.

[Jack Bone]

3. July 25th 2016 nt

[LibDemAlways]

9. There's that hideous stomach turning photo again.

I feel the need to grab garlic every time I see it.

[coyote]

4. Sounds like the establishment desperately wants him out before the convention.

Good reason for Bernie to continue then.

[arely staircase]

6. Democrats do. Greens and GOPers want him to stay in .nt

[coyote]

12. You mean third way Democrats like yourself want him to drop

FDR democrats like myself do not.

[arely staircase]

16. No. Lifelong progress Democrats like myself. Fuck Naderites. nt

[highprincipleswork]

27. I'm no Naderite, but fuck you right back.

[arely staircase]

50. Never said you were. But the assumption is telling.

[highprincipleswork]

57. Really. To me it's just one more proof of how misguided you and your tribe are.

[Bohemianwriter]

48. Voting Hillary is NOT taking a progressive nor a liberal stand...

It's linking oneself to the two family dynasty of the Bushies and Clintons.

Not to mention this:



Look at the contrast:



And the Hillary smear machine has tried to make Bernie look like the badguy while playing victims of the the same.

Hillary still wants to put black kids in prison for pot while letting bankers go free.

She claims she is the most transparent candidate but keeps everything secret. Even speeches to elements she once regulated and want to regulate again (after taking millions of dollars from them because she can't find enough grassroots to pay for her smear machine)....

[eastwestdem]

19. I attending a fundraising breakfast last week with a Clinton senior policy advisor who

outlined their strategies for either circumstance - Sanders quitting the race, or staying in until the convention. I really, REALLY want to see their second plan play out. So, as a Hillary supporter, I am will you...he should continue.

[GoneFishin]

41. She has so many negatives that could sour on her, and they don't want Bernie to be in the wings

when the shit hits the fan. They want to be able to plug in anyone of their choosing if, and when, that happens. If they were really confident of their situation then they wouldn't treat Bernie as a threat.

[LibDemAlways]

5. You are quoting an article referencing

"moral high ground" when you are supporting a candidate who voted for the Iraq War? I can't even.......

And about the house analogy....Dems are being cajoled to buy a property full of mold and in need of serious repair but being marketed as a pristine charmer.

No thanks.

[imagine2015]

7. For some here Sanders has been the villain and not Trump.

The writerof the posted article is supporting Hillary Clinton and has been attacking Bernie Sanders for over two months now.

Nothing new here.

Just the same old crapola personal attacks.

[BKH70041]

8. "Could become"??

Oh well, everybody's gotta be something. He might as well go for villain.

[Bohemianwriter]

52. Jews have always been the villain when white Christian women have been "threatened" by them.

In the WASP narrative.


Not supporting Bernie?

Why are people anti-semites?

Is it anti-semitic to attack Bernie the way that has been done the last year or so?

Call yourself a Christian?

Why are people calling themselves Jesus followers and give their vote to money lenders instead of the liberal Jew who stands up to them?

The Establishment don't care an ounce about minorities.

Bernie have done so since black&ewhite television.

Think Goldman Sachs have noble intentions by giving both Ted Cruz and Hillary Clinton millions of dollars in "donations"? Anyone here who thinks that rich people dish out money to political candidates on both sides don't have alteriar motives?

[Nye Bevan]

10. History will not look kindly on a bitter old man sniping away at the first female candidate,

when everyone knows the race is over.

[jzodda]

15. +1

Bernie has a choice. He can be a power in the Senate and help to elect progressives nation wide. He can advocate legislation important to him and get far more play.

OR

He can keep trying to stay aboard a sinking ship and divide the left, thereby helping Trump.

[Herman4747]

36. Actually, judging by the VAST SUPPORT Bernie has among...

...young people, I think history will look most kindly upon him.

Hillary, on the other hand, is the one you should be concerned about. Lying presidents have never been well-regarded (see Nixon, Richard; and Bush, George W.).

[nolabels]

53. How about the one who had said he misled the American Public

I know that history is still being written, most here kind of dislike him a lot also. Yet at least when it came to congress asking him if he was lying, he had to fess up.

Course on the other side, he more than stepped in it, he had both hands into it and they were about to rub his nose in it at the same time they were firing him for a laundry list of things

Seems like eons ago when congress was even trying to carry around this kind of fig leaf of honesty. Now they just vote it in unannounced and secretively

[geek tragedy]

11. for now, wait until he does such a thing before attacking him for it

reality is going to hit him hard tonight, we'll see how he responds.

[Andy823]

37. Exactly.

I think he as been getting somer very bad advice from his team, and of course his over zealous radical supporters. They have pushed him into making choices that are going to really hurt him if he continues down this road. I still like the guy and think he would be better off to drop out and continue to push his ideas in congress, and encourage people to get out and vote for more progressive candidates for the future. It all starts at local levels, then on to state levels before it goes to the national level. We need to take back our local and state governments from the republicans in order to implement change.

I hope Bernie makes the right choice.

[imagine2015]

13. Run Bernie Run! Don't let the corporate/Wall Street tycoons and their politicians intimidate you.

[Andy823]

40. Sounds like Donald Trump

He wants Bernie to keep running as a spoiler also. Sure would help Trump, wouldn't it?

[larkrake]

47. nothing can help Trump

[AzDar]

17. Bernie isn't the one under FBI Investigation for jeopardizing National Security-THAT'S Villainous...

[arely staircase]

20. And neither is Clinton

But keep up the GOP talking point until the 16th when this place becomes a Democratic message board again.

[AzDar]

22. Here ya GO: What's that old adage about none blinder than those who REFUSE to see?

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/fbi-formally-confirms-its-investigation-hillary-clintons-email-server


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-to-be-interviewed-in-fbi-email-investigation/

https://www.rt.com/usa/314313-snowden-clinton-jeopardized-national-security/

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/282454-fbi-asks-to-make-new-secret-filing-in-clinton-email-case


NEWSFLASH: YOUR CANDIDATE IS UNDER FBI INVESTIGATION...DEAL WITH IT.

[arely staircase]

23. Edward Snowden? LOL

Who cares what the KGB thinks about it.

[AzDar]

25. Yeah, NEVER MIND the OTHER links? Amirite? RE: Snowden

?1






YOUR CANDIDATE IS UNDER FBI INVESTIGATION . DEAL WITH IT.

[arely staircase]

29. I love how you use an actual criminal as a source to lodge

bullshit accusations of criminality.

And she is now your candidate too.

[AzDar]

42. I genuinely CANNOT tell if you really don't grasp this, or are just being OBTUSE: If SNOWDEN IS A...

"CRIMINAL" SO. IS. HILLARY.




Jesus CHRIST On An Unsecured Server!!

And Hillary Clinton WILL NEVER be MY candidate... I support down-ticket Dems. I will NEVER support a

CORRUPT, Corporately-Owned LIAR.

[arely staircase]

43. So you are out of here soon then. Cool.

[larkrake]

46. Bernie is a democrat, we can praise his efforts all year

we just cant bash Clinton- no need to, everyone is up on her by now. We will point out her future bad decisions and question the growing investigations like good democrats

[ancianita]

18. He'd never drop out over a fear of that tawdry, disrespectul label. Knock it off.

[Worldly Traveler]

21. Why is Everyone Capitulating to Her Majesty?

How do we know the super Delegates won't abandon Hillary before the convention? What proof is there the AP actually contacted the Super Delegates? Get a grip everyone and solder on.

[felix_numinous]

28. The logic of zombies.

[Peace Patriot]

30. LOL! He's been a "villain" since the day he announced!

You only have to look at what the Associated Pukes did today to know how terrified our corpo-militarist rulers are of "we, the people" taking back our government.

SIX MONTHS of black-holing by the Corrupt Media! And when he starts winning states by blow-out margins, he's treated as a footnote to Hillary's "inevitability." Meanwhile, the Corrupt Media CREATES Trump out of nothing, as the perfect foil for their Wall Street candidate.

"Villain" my very blue ass!

[TimPlo]

38. Is he a villian because Christians hate Jewish people?

I mean they are yelling at the Jewish guy for doing same thing a Christian women did in 2008 but when he does not drop out he is now a villain.

[Armstead]

33. Eveeyone loves progressives -- Until they actually try to do something

Bernie has already worked a miracle. He inspired millions -- almost half the primary voters -- with an alternative to the Corporate Machine.

He was the cute old uncle when he wasn't a threat to the system.

But once he actually starts to become a Threat to the Machine, the powers that be do the Big Clamp Down.

"Sure you can have your nice little message campaign. But DON'T YOU DARE actually contest our power."

Fuck
That
Shit

[TimPlo]

34. Oh I get it because he is Jewish he should drop out early?

When Clinton did not drop out till 4 days after All the votes where cast it was fine, but now that a Jewish person does it, it suddenly is a major issue.

[grasswire]

39. He has nothing to lose.

He is the head of a tsunami that has forged a coalition of progressives and independents that vastly outnumbers the Third Way Democrats.

He makes his own destiny now, with the support of MILLIONS of followers. He has changed the face of politics in America and influenced people aound the world to seek a way that is better than this status quo.

HE is on the right side of history. He, right now, is the locus of power and momentum.

Hillary's average crowd size is 347.

That alone tells you who should drop out now.

[Mike__M]

44. Golly!

I would hate for Bernie's name to appear on the Clinton shit-list!

[larkrake]

45. nah

[ChiciB1]

49. SERIOUSLY, SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT! What Just Happened Is That

Bernie supporters have been basically completely DISMISSED and are being told... YOU DON'T COUNT, JUST GO AWAY!

I have 2 grand kids who took a LOOOOOOOONG time deciding who they wanted to support and they and several of their friends are FUMING MAD!

This was NOT A GOOD MOVE!

[yourout]

51. pfft......good one!

That was a joke....right?

[mac56]

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