KING: Hillary Clinton did not win the Democratic Primary, she won a secret survey of party elites

[NWCorona]

"On Monday, on the eve of the most important day in the primary, on a day where not a single vote was cast, Hillary Clinton was surprisingly declared the winner of the Democratic Primary.

Tuesday was scheduled to be the single biggest day of the entire Democratic Primary season with a total of 694 pledged delegates up for grabs in California, New Jersey, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, and New Mexico.


In the past 45 days alone, more than 650,000 new voters registered in California and the state announced that with 72% of available voters registered, it was the highest percentage of people ever registered for primaries in the state.

This should have been a celebration for the Democratic Party as it welcomed record numbers of new voters into the fold. Instead, something far more nefarious and underhanded has happened. New voters didn't put Hillary Clinton over the top. Pledged delegates didn't seal the deal. It wasn't a recount of a primary or caucus.

It was a survey - an anonymous survey.

Yes, you read that correctly - a survey. The Associated Press conducted a secret survey of super-delegates, in which they promised to protect their identities, and determined that just enough of them, the perfect number actually, said they intended to vote for Hillary Clinton 50 days from now during the Democratic Convention. For the AP, that was enough to go ahead and call the race for her.

Let me say that in a different way.

A secret survey of politicians and party insiders on whether or not they will actually vote for Hillary Clinton during the Democratic Convention on July 25 in Philadelphia is what the AP used to call this race a done deal.


It's disgusting."


http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/politics/king-hillary-clinton-not-won-democratic-primary-article-1.2664569

The AP didn't call it for Obama until the last states voted and those were only 31 delegates combined.

[Jack Bone]

1. it just shows how scared the 1% really is.

they are going to "all new lows" to keep their ill-gotten gains.

keep the fire going!

[clarice]

48. ummmmm Hillary IS a 1%er.nt

[Donald Ian Rankin]

49. Really?

I'm a strong Clinton supporter (well, an anyone-on-the-left-but-Bernie supporter, technically, but with O'Malley gone that puts me firmly in the Clinton camp).

But I'd be slightly surprised if she weren't in the richest 1% of Americans, and amazed if she weren't in the richest 1% of humanity.

[clarice]

50. In net worth, Clintons Bill and Hill tecnically are in the 1%......

To be honest, I've never read any rules/criteria explaining what exactly constitutes a 1%er.
My best guess is that it's any rich person who's ideas you disagree with.

[Jack Bone]

61. it's the rich "criminals" that have gamed our democracy for their own

selfish/greedy interests. Our revolution is starting to scare the hell out of them.

what better of a way to adhere to the status quo, than to have "one of your own" @ the head of both tickets?

[clarice]

62. Weird.. isn't it ???? nt

[bloom]

78. Bernie is also in the top 1%

It's not like he & his wife have a median income.

[clarice]

81. 100% correct. nt

[larkrake]

58. They are so terrified of progressives, and all that terror stems from Democrats

or should I say corporate puppets

[msongs]

2. even if supers are eliminated bernie is still losing. the AP thing is irrelevant nt

[TimPlo]

22. But thing is that it is not mathmatically possable to say he has no chance.

Sure he has a small chance but who knows he might get CA by 70% and that would give him enough pledged delegates to beat Clinton minus the SD. That is the point people are making. Honest people bitch about media calling shit before last vote is made, not based on if their side is winning. Where you OK with media calling FL for Bush in 2000? This has been proven to have been one factors in the voting count.

[tonyt53]

51. You are conveniently forgetting what she will pick up in other states today. NJ is a blowout.

[TimPlo]

55. We don't know that 24 hrs ago when they gave it to her.

Polls are not a good thing to use and you should be bitching about it even though you want Clinton to win. It is wrong, we had same thing happen in 2000 with FL and that threw the vote off big time and was a big factor in Bush being able to steal the election. If you don't take a stand on wrong doing even if it is in your favor then when it happens to you just remember how you did not care at this time.

[larkrake]

59. yup, they pored black paint onto the canvas, we will never know

this time it wasnt the supremes, it was corp media

[tonyt53]

76. I did not like those early reports of her winning the nomination. It probably hurt her more

But I told ya that NJ would be a blowout win for her.

[Ned_Devine]

3. Mmm! Sweet corporatocracy!

[justiceischeap]

4. Then so did Obama in 2008. nt

[chervilant]

5. Yeah, well, for me,

this egregious crapola ALONE defines the Clinton campaign. She cannot begin to garner the attention, the support, and the respect given to -- no, EARNED by -- Senator Sanders. So, she cheats. And, her campaign cheats.

STILL cannot understand why ANYONE supports her.

[msongs]

7. please post you list of actual proven cheating by hillary clinton. thanks :-)

[Andy823]

29. They don't need no proof

It's been going on for years here at DU with president Obama, and now they have gone after Hillary. These posters hate Democrats, it's obvious as hell, and they either make things up, cut and past from conspiracy sites, and can never give any proof of their claims. The run around with their hair on fire screaming their heads of about any old conspiracy they can come up with, and as long as the rest of their group of "anti-everything" posters accept it, well they don't need proof to back it up.

During primary season it's even worse with all the "new" posters jumping in to help the bash and trash Democrats, especially Hillary or anyone who may have endorsed her. It sure will be nice when the trolls go back under their bridges, at least till the next election.

[Lord Magus]

13. And yet, millions more people vote for her than for Bernie.

Clearly by the only objective metric Hillary has more support than Bernie.

[chervilant]

18. oic

So, the voter fraud, the voter disenfranchisement, the election fraud, and the DEAFENING silence of the M$M regarding Senator Sanders' campaign have had NOTHING to do with this "objective metric"?!? Wow...

Go ahead and crow. Go ahead and celebrate. But, know this: a great MANY citizens of this nation view Hi11ary as a LIAR and her popularity rating is historically low. She is under investigation by the FBI!' She should be an embarrassment for the Democratic Party, just as Trump is an embarrassment for the Republican Party.

Seems like the corporate oligarchs are MUCH bolder in their usurpation of our democratic process, declaring Hi11ary the "presumptive nominee" before California and five other states finish their primaries. You REALLY think this is appropriate?!?!

SMDH...

[Lord Magus]

28. There's been no f-ing "voter fraud" so get that Republican meme out of here.

Obviously the majority of voters simply don't care if Hillary is "under investigation by the FBI!!!!!!111"

And so what if it's before California and five other states finish their primaries? There is usually a presumptive nominee before every state has voted. 2008 is the only time in over 30 years that nobody had secured a majority until the final states voted.

[chervilant]

21. Oh, and P. S. :

Welcome to my IL. Buh-bye.

[mac56]

46. And mine.

[cui bono]

63. Yeah, keep catapulting that propaganda, even though we all know it's a false meme.

.

[Lord Magus]

73. We all know it's the absolute truth. Whether you like it or not. -nt-

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[cui bono]

83. Except it isn't. You know very well that caucuses don't count voters.

And by their very nature of being more difficult to attend don't reflect accurate numbers in any case.

This meme is propaganda put out to misinform people and you are participating in it. I hope you are proud to be part of the establishment machine that disregards democracy.

.

[Lord Magus]

84. I know very well that most caucuses DO count voters.

Only Iowa, Nevada, Washington and Wyoming do not count voters. I also know very well that caucuses are more difficult to attend (that's part of why Bernie does better in them) but that doesn't somehow mean that each caucus-goer should be counted as more than one voter. I also know very well that caucus states are almost all small states and would make very little difference in the popular vote even if they held open primaries with same-day registration.

Millions more people have voted for Hillary than for Bernie, and if caucuses didn't exist most likely her lead would be even bigger. She would probably have won some of the caucus states that she lost had they been primaries instead, just look at Nebraska and Washington.

[cui bono]

85. No, they don't. You are catapulting the propaganda.

Go ahead, use that tactic in order to push corporate rule onto the people. Then deal with the consequences.

.

[Lord Magus]

86. Wrong. You're stubbornly denying the facts that I've presented.

Popular vote total includes AK,AL,AR,AS,AZ,CA,CO,CT,DA,DE,FL,GA,GU,HI,ID,IL,IN,KS,KY,LA,MA,MD,MI,MN,MO,MP,MS,MT,NC,ND,NE,NH,NJ,NM,NY,OH,OK,OR,PA,PR,RI

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D

Sorry, it appears that I overlooked Maine. So that's 5 caucuses without popular vote totals. All others do provide them.

[Number23]

67. I have no idea why this common sense, factual post seems to have caused such bed wetting

but it is INCREDIBLY hilarious to see.

[Wednesdays]

68. It looks like the AP supports her.

[chervilant]

69. It's pretty clear the corporate oligarchs

prefer her to Senator Sanders -- for obvious reasons. Don't know why you have to shrug your shoulders about that.

[MFM008]

6. Why is it there was NEVER

This type of bitching when a MAN got the nomination. They did the SAME thing.
They called super delegates added the totals into the mix. Presumptive nominee.
The silence was deafening .
They do the SAME thing for HRC and the planet breaks out of orbit flying at the sun.
Because Sanders and the Berners don't like it oh and
WOMAN.

[840high]

8. Bull.

I like Warren - don't like Hillary.

[Cali_Democrat]

41. Did you object when the media did the same thing in 2008?

2004?

2000?

1992?

1988?

1984?

[NWCorona]

11. Excuse me but I'm far from a sexist.

They waited until every state voted until calling it in 2008

[Ace Rothstein]

54. The 2008 primary was considerably closer than it is this year.

[NWCorona]

57. I get that but the timing can't be overlooked.

[TimPlo]

24. Why is it when a Jewish person is running aginst a Christian

People can't wait until the last vote is counted to claim victory when # of pledged delegates is more than enough to change who has the majority of pledged delegates. Is it because Clinton supporters don't like Jewish people?

[sarge43]

32. Thank you, sir. n/t

[MFM008]

37. Its still been done by every man that has run

its become the excepted norm for 32 years,
Just because Its HRC is the problem. It will be highly amusing if she picks up Warren as VP.

[COLGATE4]

34. Introducing a false claim of antisemitism is as despicable

as Trump's stupid attempt to introduce race into his civil lawsuit. Unless you are prepared to provide some hard verifiable facts to support this inference you should delete this.

[TimPlo]

36. Oh I have seen you claim sexism before. So only Christian women

can use the victim card and not Jewish people, then it is despicable if Jewish people do it.

[COLGATE4]

38. You have never seen me claim sexism. Prove it or retract it.

Also, I did not alert on your post in order to give you a chance to do the right thing and retract it. Unless you can back up this absurd claim you should stop this nonsense.

[TimPlo]

40. You prove your claim first.

[COLGATE4]

42. What claim???

[MFM008]

39. Newbie I dont know who you are

but if your attempting to level some sort of antisemitic charge against me I will take you to the mat.

[COLGATE4]

43. This person is an asshole. I've been going around with him/her

about this same thing but, as you can imagine, getting absolutely nowhere. Introducing false charges of antisemitism is abhorrent and totally antithetical to our values as Democrats and as Americans.

[TimPlo]

44. So did you get all bent out of shape by people claim sexism in their posts?

By you confronting me over this and never speaking out against all false claims of sexism vs Clinton is very telling.

[MFM008]

47. Dont change the subject

anti-semitism is far more serious.
Your short stay at DU will end throwing that around.

[arikara]

82. You are the one being sexist. It has nothing to do with her being a woman

Its because of who she is and what she represents which has NOTHING to do with her gender. Is everyone's distaste for Trump because he is a man?

Now it looks like each party has selected a questionable candidate. At least the republican voters had their say this time, not the party elite.

[TwilightZone]

9. Superdelegates aren't anonymous. King knows better.

This continued insistence on intentional ignorance just makes these guys look ridiculous.

Not to mention that he just made half that shit up.

[xmas74]

71. They are not anonymous at all.

I know one and it's no secret. Would I type her name here? No, because we've seen what happens with super delegates. I will say that she takes her job seriously and no one is bribing her or whatever other claims are out there.

[beachbumbob]

10. All the millions more voters Hillary had are all secret party elite...god this funny

Bernie lost because well....he freakin lost

[99th_Monkey]

12. There were claims on DU yesterday that "M$M called it on 6/3/08 for Obama too"

Spot-on OP. Fuck the AP and their "secrete surveys".

[Lord Magus]

14. Just a reminder that the VOTERS also express our support via a "secret survey"

Our ballots don't have names on them after all. That's kind of fundamental to democracy.

[lumberjack_jeff]

15. This incident, along with all the other previous election tampering...

... has reinforced my already extremely negative opinion of Clinton.

[felix_numinous]

16. Someone who respects the American people

would not cheat and mock us while we are going through the democratic process.

[AzDar]

17. K & R

[Worldly Traveler]

19. Even this much is suspicious

We have no actually knowledge the Super Delegates even responded to the AP survey!

[CrowCityDem]

20. They didn't call it for Obama, because he didn't hit the number until the last primaries.

[NWCorona]

23. The last round of primaries had a combined total of 32 delegates.

Obama had it wrapped up before June 3rd

[oberliner]

26. No, he didn't

The supers were still in the process of coming over to his side.

[CrowCityDem]

27. Not until the last burst of superdelegates announces, which was at the last primaries.

They called it for him as soon as they had the numbers. Just like last night.

[TimPlo]

30. 2008 is too far back for many Clinton supporters to remeber.

Ask them what they had for dinner on Oct 5, 1955 and could tell you but something that happened 8 years ago is fuzzy. Long term memory is last thing to go due to old age. Then even forget that Clinton did not concede the nomination in her election night speech, saying that she would be "making no decisions tonight" And she waited till June 7 to drop out. Yet when a Jewish person waits to long for the anti-Semites around here they complain about Sanders doing same thing. One set of rules for Christians and another for Jewish people.

[oberliner]

25. June 3, 2008: US elections: Obama clinches nomination, AP reports

The stream of superdelegates into Obama's corner continued at a fast rate this morning, as James Clyburn, of South Carolina, third in the Democrats' House of Representatives leadership and the highest-ranking African American in Congress, formally announced his endorsement. Six other superdelegates endorsed Obama today, and former President Jimmy Carter was poised to endorse Obama as well.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jun/03/uselections2008.barackobama

[TimPlo]

31. And

"Clinton did not concede the nomination in her election night speech, saying that she would be "making no decisions tonight" So why be hypocrite and yell for the Jewish man to drop out when a Christian did same thing in 2008 and none of her supporters had issue with it back then.

[oberliner]

33. June 7, 2008: Clinton Concedes Democratic Nomination; Obama Leads Party in Fall

Sen. Hillary Clinton conceded the Democratic nomination to Sen. Barack Obama Saturday in Washington.

"The way to continue our fight now, to accomplish the goals for which we stand, is to take our energy, our passion, our strength, and do all we can to help elect Barack Obama as the next president of the United States," Clinton said.

"Today, as I suspend my campaign, I congratulated him on the victory he has won. ... I endorse him and throw my full support behind him."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5020581

I certainly think Bernie has every right to take a few days, as Hillary did.

[TimPlo]

35. Yea most Clinton supporters don't feel that way.

Day of SC primary they have been yelling for Sanders to drop out, and here we are and If for some reason CA votes largely for Sanders he could have the majority of pledged delegates. But they can't wait 24 hrs to fee it, they have to piss off millions of people by handing her the crown.

[oberliner]

56. People on both sides can sometimes get carried away with their candidate

I look forward to the day that we have our nominee, be it Hillary or Bernie, and we can all join together to work as hard as we can to win the White House and Congress.

[Lord Magus]

74. 08 was a very close race. This isn't. -nt-

[jwirr]

45. If anything tells us this country is run by a bunch of crooks

this super-delegate stuff this year does.

[Vinca]

52. That seems true enough. I'm still miffed about superdelegates.

I heard Donna Brazile on CNN the other day say she had been a superdelegate for over 20 years. WHY? At least swap people out every so often just to make it look like the show isn't being run by only a few select people. One superdelegate can cancel out thousands of votes in a state. It's not democratic and it's not right.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

53. Sad!

[doc03]

60. Bull shit she got more votes in elections and more delegates, case closed.

[seabeyond]

64. Clinton kicked Sanders ass with votes and continues.

[book_worm]

65. A stupid statement considering all the wins she won in primaries

and is doing very well tonight too.

[RBInMaine]

66. Is your conspiracy theory, and now stinky sour grapes, insanity ever going to end?

[libodem]

70. I'm sad

This says it all.

[stevenleser]

72. Hillary with 2168 pledged delegates today to Bernies 1777 shows the unintended comedy of this

article.

And no, you can't say, well that was a day or two later. The evidence that this would be the case was here before the Tuesday contests.

Hillary won this primary any way you measure it and this was apparent on Monday.

[robbedvoter]

75. 16 million voters beg to disagree - and are offended by your contempt for our votes

and democracy. But, please, proceed.

[rjsquirrel]

77. Lol whut

Why do socialists hate voting?

[bloom]

79. oooow - they did a survey of Super-delagates to see how they would vote. SO WHAT!!!

My god. Get a grip people. This is like a normal thing. Why is this a 'Greatest Thread' ???

[LaydeeBug]

80. Proud to be a "Party Elite" and to join the 3+ million who are elite too. nt

[oasis]

87. The evolution of King's anti-Hillary history in pictorial form.

> > > > > >

[Jakes Progress]

88. That's okay now. Let it out. Let it all out.

Every silly meme. Every right-wing talking point. Every little bit of tin-foil hattery.

Vent. Rant. Stamp. Pretend you don't know how things work or what the rules were all along.

Then just let it go.

Then take a deep breath. And get to work.
1. Work for a Democrat blow-out. A trouncing so big even the republicans will move left.
2. Start lining up left wing Democrats to run in mayor's races, city council, state legislature, and US Rep seats. Primary the blue dogs. (This will only work if Democrats truly beat the living bejesus out of the republicans this year.)
3. Take your dog for a walk. Eat a good meal. Then work some more. Local and state elections may not be as shiny as the !!!PRESIDENCY!!!! but your efforts will be more noticed and have longer effect.