2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumConnecticut Poll June 7: Sanders Crushes Trump Clinton 45% Trump 38% Sanders 54% Trump 35%
Tuesday, June 7
Connecticut: Trump vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Clinton 45, Trump 38 Clinton +7
Connecticut: Trump vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 54, Trump 35 Sanders +19
Connecticut: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Quinnipiac Clinton 41, Trump 36, Johnson 6, Stein 3 Clinton +5
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Well, the candidate from Wall Street hasn't won the nomination yet and if you really want to beat Trump you had better wish she doesn't.
You know that some Democratic Party "centrists" have already indicated they can work well with a President Trump. I'm sure there are some " centrist" and "moderate" non-liberal Democratic Party office holders who would rather see Trump elected President than Bernie Sanders.
You don't feel that way, do you?
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)JustinL
(722 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)JustinL
(722 posts)MFM008
(19,803 posts)Truman beats Dewey.
Sanders has been lost in the media. Of course he polls better.
Its a moot point now.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)unnecessary.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)If a shill wants to stir the pot, it would only make sense that they would pose as a disgruntled Sanders supporter.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)This whole primary thing was just a charade for us fools
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)But Bernie's rather undramatic entry into the race, everything about it seemed to be not only with integrity but sheer conviction. Such a difference between what was on my "clothespin", that I immediately listened, watched, looked up, etc. because it was hard to believe that such an un-establishment candidate could enter, when it was clear other Democrats, i.e. Biden and O'Malley, served as sheer window dressing.
And, had he been a "Lifetime Democrat", he would not have been able to buck the Clinton Machine. He's a real innovator...an Independent Liberal caucusing with Democratic Progressives (whatever that means) so he could vote and act his conscience without DNC-type pressure. His allegiance was to Vermont voters. Period. Mostly the Senate Dems/Progressives were glad to have him. And I think the Clinton Campaign "did not mind" because he was such a dark horse...a mere foil ... to her decided coronation.
The change to Democrat...everyone knows why. No need to waste time. He quickly came to represent the part of the Party who had left in disgust, whose clothespins were wearing out, or were not interested...including the young. It was an idea whose time had come, and he stumbled into being the Leader.
Regardless of what happens in the election...HRC will likely win, absent further legal difficulties and health issues. The Republicans likely are Ready for Hillary, too.
What is exciting is to remember that no Revolution was ever won in the first battle. That's the Battle that Defines the Program. After that, the really hard work begins. And that is what I am looking forward to now. Because an HRC Presidency, if it happens, will just be Bill's second term...impeachment...the Republicans are nigh drooling. Especially since they nominated such an ignoramus.
I'm looking toward a future that Bernie defines. I hope to heck he stays with it. I doubt he'll garner much if any establishment support. Candidates are arising based on his principles and those are the ones that are the most important. I will be doing everything I can to ferret out, support and campaign for candidates that pass the Bernie Test. Top down...now down up.
Vinca
(50,249 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)get a new one, OK?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)They think that doing so will get the Supers to flip.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)a .6% margin or a 60% margin are the same thing in the GE
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Teach me basic math.
Thank you.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)but the 100% margin of victory is also just a tad unlikely. Did you have a different understanding of how The EC works? Officially (yes I know its debateable unofficially) GWB won Florida in 2000 by a tiny sliver - just a few hundred votes. Less than 0.01%! He got the EVs just as effectively as he did WY's, with a margin of victory 4000 times greater. A W is a W, simple as that.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)them elect her. Then go back into our holes again.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)The Republicans will do the Impeachment thing, but we'll be working with Bernie supporters standing for office at down ticket races. Regardless of another of the memes here, there is A Lot of Difference between the two current candidates.
One of the largest...MONEY...how it's gained, how it's spent, and who is giving it. It's a Class War...The Haves vs. the Have Nots. Can't even call it Left or Right, Conservative or Liberal, least of all Republican or Democrat.
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And it's at exactly the right time in history. We are at the "Let them eat cake" mark about now.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)do yet with the movement.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)On to the Bastille. (in a manner of speaking, of course)
jwirr
(39,215 posts)RogerM
(150 posts)2016 Democratic Presidential Nomination IBD/TIPP Clinton 51, Sanders 37 Clinton +14
doc03
(35,321 posts)among Democrats. Another thing he hasn't been hit by the Republicans for decades your poll is pure bullshit.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)doc03
(35,321 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Debbie Wasserman Shultz...an ardent Hillary personal friend, scheduler of crap debate times, refuses to work with Bernie because he's not "Democratic Branded", which means they can't control him, via his Independent former status.
Bias? Naw. Just plain old Politics as Usual and Ms. Clinton and Wasserman-Shultz are the best players to date.
Any other questions?
doc03
(35,321 posts)clinch the nomination show me where I am wrong about that?
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)as well...lecture their folks. Fair and square used to mean something. Stuffing ballot boxes used to be frowned upon. Exit polls used to be fairly consistent, based on candidate and party. I'm old, I'll admit.
And I'm sorry, you don't have the right to demand an answer from me or anyone. That's typical Hubris.
I'm not trying to make you wrong...relax. I don't think the totals are accurate. Hard as it may be for some needing a right or wrong answer...sometimes there is a "wait and see".
It's a long way from nominee to President in this cycle. That's the best you're going to get...sorry.
doc03
(35,321 posts)proof that's like the birther people. Bernie Sanders ran a great campaign but he lost so I think it is time he get on board and unify the party. Question is he a Democrat now or was it just out of convenience to run for president.