I'm getting pissed at Bernie again.

[boston bean]

His interview with Lester Holt he says he is not suspending and he will fight againt is the 1% by begging the establishment to give him the nomination.

And Hillary can't claim victory and celebrate what every fucking thinking human being knows and what has been reported in the press. That she will be the first women nominee of a major party. All so Bernie can throw some little fits for two months.

Fuck this shit.

And the media says she needs to be careful.

I can guaranfuckingtee you this would not happen if she were a male in the same position.

How do I know this? Because in 2008 she was expected to suspend even though she had a stronger case than Bernie ever had to continue. But she got different treatment.

This is sexism is plain and simple.

[Joe the Revelator]

1. Or maybe, you should just be happy that your candidate is in the catbird seat. nt

[seabeyond]

22. We should be settle, be thankful for what we got? So predictable.

[Joe the Revelator]

32. Yes Sea, that's exactly what I'm saying

[appal_jack]

174. But one gets to feel so much more aggrieved by being a sore winner...

Sheesh!

Or is that exclamation too sexist? Maybe I'm expected to say "Heesh!" or "Himsh!"???

The rules say that superdelegates do not vote until 7/25. Bernie is playing by the rules. What is the problem, again? But certain Hillary fans will still act like Bernie personally pissed in their cornflakes. That sure makes for an inspiring campaign.

I challenge any DU'er to find a post by the OP where she is anything but pissed at Bernie. It's been a pretty consistent theme.

-app

[Hortensis]

192. Sure, he can stay in. Boston Bean, I actually

doubt her sex has anything to do with it, although he may have a real problem with her failure to commit an indictable crime. If this article is at all accurate, Sanders is currently a very angry, resentful, and vengeful man who feels every colleague who didn't support him is corrupt, and he could easily explode on the party. Note where his staff are saying his priorities currently are--not exactly on his progressive reforms.

But more than any of them, Sanders is himself filled with resentment, on edge, feeling like he gets no respect -- all while holding on in his head to the enticing but remote chance that Clinton may be indicted before the convention.
...
Every time Sanders got into a knife fight, aides say, they ended up losing. But they could never stop Sanders when he got his back up.
...
Aides say Sanders thinks that progressives who picked Clinton are cynical, power-chasing chickens — like Sen. Sherrod Brown, one of his most consistent allies in the Senate before endorsing Clinton and campaigning hard for her ahead of the Ohio primary. Sanders is so bitter about it that he’d be ready to nix Brown as an acceptable VP choice, if Clinton ever asked his advice on who’d be a good progressive champion.
...
They debate whether Sanders’ role in the fall should be a full vote-for-Clinton campaign, or whether he should just campaign hard against Trump without signing up to do much for her directly. They haven’t been able to get Sanders focused on any of that, or on the real questions about what kind of long term organization to build out of his email list.
...
There’s also the issue of payback. Campaign aides say that whatever else happens, Sanders wants former Congressman Barney Frank and Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy out of their spots as co-chairs of the convention rules committee. It’s become a priority fight for him.
Sanders, the aides say, believes Frank has hated him for years, but the former Massachusetts congressman’s calling him a “McCarthyite” pushed him over the edge. He never really registered who Malloy was, despite his being from a neighboring home state and his status as one of the most liberal governors in the country, but Sanders was enraged to hear the governor say he had blood on his hands for not supporting the gun manufacturer liability law.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/bernie-sanders-campaign-last-days-224041

Hopefully, President Obama will be able to make him feel respected and hopeful that it's not all over. Obama will have been extensively briefed long before this on his personality quirks by those who know him, of course.

[greiner3]

193. I'm tempted to say you forgot /s tag

But I've tried to read some of your slightly clearer posts and I know you are not /s

[Rosa Luxemburg]

2. I'm sure people are still nervous about having Clinton as the nominee

[GoldenThunder]

109. We're only nervous because...

...she can't beat Trump.

[eastwestdem]

3. Didn't we determine that he IS in the 1%? nt

[AntiBank]

43. nope, sorry, thats an untrue smear, Sanders is worth only between 194,026-$741,030 total wealth

The Clintons are worth probably around TWO TO THREE HUNDRED TIMES THAT ($110 MILLION plus)


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-wife-accounts-for-reported-assets-120261

Bernie Sanders on Thursday reported less than $750,000 in assets — all of it in his wife’s name — according to his presidential personal financial disclosure form.


According to the disclosure, Sanders and his wife Jane reported between $194,026-$741,030 in assets, a broad combination of investment funds.


The relatively modest disclosure is another indication that Sanders — a populist and self-described democratic socialist who rails against the “billionaire class” and has called income inequality “the great moral issue of our time” — is far less wealthy than many of his Senate colleagues

[WhiteTara]

83. It might be smaller if he has to pay back the $600,000

for his family trip to Rome.

[Blanks]

179. He probably won't suspend his campaign...

Until he's got another vacation under his belt.

[WhiteTara]

191. They did go to the Santa Monica Pier

which is a very cool place.

[apcalc]

176. And you KNOW this how ?

Where are the only tax returns...

[AntiBank]

180. ffs, they are official federal document filings

smdh

[MohRokTah]

4. Yep, sexism. No doubt about it.

She's winner bigger than Obama did in 2008. She did the right thing.

Sanders is doing the asshole idiot thing now.

[democrattotheend]

16. Not on the night of the last primaries

She gave a speech that sounded more like a victory speech and expressly refused to concede.

[GoneFishin]

89. Sure. Her being a neocon has nothing to do with it. I would totally support a man like

Elizabeth Warren. Oh wait. She's a women. How embarrassing.

[Lord Magus]

169. Since she's not a "neocon" you'll need a better reason. -nt-

[adigal]

98. Why is it sexism? That is just absurd. He obviously thinks he's the better candidate.

When people scream "sexism" over every single thing that women don't like, the meaning of the term is diluted so that real sexism is not taken seriously.

You have zero evidence that this is sexism. And BTW, I am an older feminist, who learned from Gloria Steinem what feminism is, so don't lecture me.

[BreakfastClub]

151. I can't imagine Bernie doing this to a male opponent. nt

[niyad]

5. of course it is, but those who hate her like to say sexism has absolutely nothing to do with it.

[rock]

73. You have absolutely struck the unmistakable tell

Misogynists go crazy, climb the walls, yell and scream that you're wrong when you call them on it. It's more than a tic. The stronger the reaction, the bigger the ... er, misogynist.

Addendum. Right after I posted what should I see but an egregious example. Can you find it?

[Android3.14]

6. Black is white, up is down, revolution is sexism

You're pissed?
I call that good.

[Armstead]

20. If his ego was driving him, he would have pulled out already and conceded....

and basked in the glory of the gratitude of the Democratic Establishment praising him for quitting and letting her take it all over.

[seabeyond]

25. Massive ego. Why, the crowds alone tells us he has "earned" the nomination.

[Blue Meany]

52. Count the number of time that Hillary lauds herself

in her speeches..."I did this..."I led the effort on that..." etc. And often she had next to nothing do with the acts she is taking credit for. She's not as bad as Trump, who is clearly a full-blown narcissist, but she certainly has some of the traits and acts very entitled and over-confident of her abilities, especially when you look closely at her record and experience.

Bernie doesn't act like that. He didn't even want to run for president, and held out for Elizabeth Warren or another progressive to run. And he talks always about what "we can do together..." He says he can do these things by himself. What a contrast and personalities and you see a "big ego." It's may sound like a good line, but it's doesn't explain his behavior at all.

[seabeyond]

92. Sanders has a massive ego.

[Blue Meany]

134. Repeating your assertion is not the same thing as presenting

evidence.

[seabeyond]

136. Massive. Ego.

[Matt_R]

155. Elvis never did no drugs.

[jcgoldie]

44. Ok then

What the hell is his end game? I mean he obviously isn't flipping the superdelegates against the results of the election. And even if he did that would be completely fucked up. I mean I hope he gets his shit in the platform... but if he never makes nice then he's going to have less say in that also. I really don't think he's hurting Clinton with his criticism at this point, but the longer he holds on to this bullshit the harder it is to bring the party together and the weaker we will be in November. So if it isn't ego then wtf?

[Armstead]

62. He knows that when he drops out, the issues he is passionate about disappear.

He wants leverage....and he wants the Democratic party to know that they has to stop taking certain things for granted.

This is not just a personality thing.H e also feels an obligation torepresent the voice of the 40-45 percent of the people who voted for him and worked for him.

They DO care about what happens after the nomination and the election.

[Lord Magus]

170. The longer he stays in after having already lost, the LESS leverage he has.

Bernie will never have more leverage than he does right now, today. Staying in and saying he'll "continue the fight" means he's fighting against the Democratic Party itself, rather than fighting for it. That doesn't give him leverage in the party.

[AntiBank]

69. potential for 3 letters to come into play before the convention would be my guess

[MADem]

162. FAILED: Bernie Instigation, perhaps? nt

[Beowulf]

82. What's his end game?

This has been so difficult for the Clinton camp to understand even though it's been repeated often enough. It's the issues. By staying in, the issues he cares most about stay in the spotlight. He keeps some leverage over how the platform comes together. Most importantly, it helps create and sustain a base for the future. My god, he's 74 years old. If he was so ego driven, so thirsty for power, he would have made several runs by now. This run's end game was leaving something lasting, something to build on in two, four and more years. He's shown that people are hungry for what he's offering. He's also shown that without a well-established organization, it's impossible to be successful in the long term against the establishment.

We are in for an interesting summer. Bernie will continue to push his issues. How the streets play out in Philadelphia is perhaps as much of a wild card as what ultimately happens with the FBI investigation.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

190. I'm saving this.

Good points.

[AntiBank]

66. should I call the wambulance?

[whirlygigspin]

8. you angry brah?

[upaloopa]

9. After tonight he will need 400 or more delegates to flip

It will be clear to everyone that cannot be done

[opiate69]

10. lmao

[democrattotheend]

11. You do realize Hillary did not concede the night of the last primary in 2008, right?

Instead, she gave a speech that, upon rewatch last night, sounded more like a victory speech on the night of the last primaries.

I am not in favor of Bernie "taking it to the convention", so to speak (though I think he should not release his delegates and there should be a proper rollcall), but you getting pissed at him for not conceding before the polls even close in California is just stupid.

[boston bean]

17. I do realize the media and every wasn't giving her any quarter.

[Barack_America]

45. I'm sorry, was that a "yes" or a "no"?

Couldn't quite follow.

[boston bean]

50. I realize she endorsed obama in early June.

[Barack_America]

53. The day of the last primary?

[brooklynite]

12. Jerry Brown didn't suspend his campaign in 1992...nobody cared

[PepperHarlan]

13. Don't let it bother you

Beginning tonight the narrative switches to the GE. Bernie won't be talked about much until the convention. Hopefully by then tempers will have cooled for everybody.

[obamanut2012]

14. Bernie also endorsed Obama at this point in 2008

[Matt_R]

157. Wait... Wait... Wait...

Bernie Sanders ran for president in 2012? Not sure of your message here.

[Jester Messiah]

15. Too bad, so sad. n/t

[Jack Bone]

18. There's no Freakin' time for "Celebration"

When children are worried about how they're going to eat now that School is out..

As Iraqi vets can't get the medical attention they need

THERE IS STILL A FIERCE URGENCY OF NOW!!

[metroins]

87. Lobby

Your legislators and Obama.

I agree that these are issues, but they will not be fixed with what we're talking about tonight.

[geek tragedy]

19. Bernie who? Hillary can celebrate and declare victory, no one can stop her. nt

[bravenak]

21. Everything she does is wrong and he can do no wrong ever

She has to constantly worry about the FEELINGS of men and women who expect perfection from her, and he never has to worry about how sad and desperate he looks by keeping this losing battle going. The media would jump all over anybody else who did this. They were all over Cruz until he dropped out. This is bullshit, period.

I expect sexism to have a resurgence to the worst level since we were property.

[TimPlo]

27. hy·poc·ri·sy

həˈpäkrəsē/
noun
the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2008/05/clintons-closing-argument-to-superdelegates/53314/

http://addictinginfo.org/2016/05/21/hillary-wrote-this-letter-to-superdelegates-in-2008-that-bernie-fans-may-find-interesting/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/clinton-in-2008-opposed-e_b_10245288.html

[bravenak]

33. Thank you for defining your actions

[TimPlo]

38. Sorry I am not Clinton I did not write a letter to the SD trying to flip them in 2008

And then cry about Sanders saying he might do the same thing.

[tex-wyo-dem]

28. I don't expect perfection, but I do expect the ...

Democratic nominee for POTUS to not be under federal criminal investigation.

[bravenak]

31. Who is under federal criminal investigation?

[tex-wyo-dem]

40. Very likely the Democratic front runner...nt

[bravenak]

78. Has she been interview? Where are the charges?

[tex-wyo-dem]

96. She will likely be interviewed later this month...

Some of her closest aides have already been interviewed.

Charges will not be filed until after the FBI submits its findings to the DoJ. The Justice Department will take action based on those findings.

[bravenak]

117. So you have no evidence that there are pending charges? Just conjecture and rumors. Cool.

[tex-wyo-dem]

153. Nope...based on information reported and...

Some very obvious connection of dots.

But, hey, live in the world you choose.b I just prefer the Dem Party not crash and burn in Nov.

[bravenak]

154. Seems kinda

[JRLeft]

160. LMFAO!

[Matt_R]

158. So the Investigation is not happening becasue...

Clinton will not answer questions... OK... Sure... If you say so... Please inform the FBI I'm sure they would get a kick out of wasting our tax dollar money on an investigation that isn't really happening because Clinton won't interview with them. Well I guess a subpoena can fix that.

[Barack_America]

48. Um, Hillary? Certainly you must know this.

[bravenak]

80. Really? What criminal charges are pending and where are they filed? I need to see the paperwork

[Barack_America]

85. The FBI is conducting a criminal investigation, yes.

What they will recommend and when is anyone's guess at this point.

[bravenak]

120. Oh, so this is just a rumor? I have heard of her impending arrest since I was in sixth grade.

I'm thirty five, and she still aint been arrested!

[Barack_America]

122. You think the investigation is a rumor?

Then you truly cannot be helped.

[bravenak]

131. The criminal part is the rumor.

[Barack_America]

132. I don't think you understand what the FBI investigates.

They are the criminal investigation branch. They investigate the breaking of laws...you know, crimes.

[bravenak]

140. But no charges seem to be pending. Just rumor and speculation.

[apcalc]

177. No they are conducting an email inquiry

Look it up . NOTHING criminal whatsoever.

[chwaliszewski]

41. Wow! Self-pity much?

If your expectation of sexism resurgence is a concern (keep in mind, I am against sexism & racism & ageism, etc.), then maybe Hillary picked the wrong position to run for. Just think what those mean misogynist world leaders might say to her.

[bravenak]

75. What a terrible response to my post. Sexism is real and I pity the sexist for being damaged.

[adigal]

103. Yes, sexism is real. And this is not sexism. Really, how absurd. There is no evidence for that claim

And when you pretend that things that are not sexism are sexism, you weaken the term and also denigrate real sexism.

[bravenak]

114. Yes it is. I'll let you know when I will ALLOW you to define words for me

[adigal]

126. Hey, it's up to you if you want to look silly - but good luck convincing anyone to support her

because of all the terrible, horrible sexist things Bernie did to her.

[bravenak]

130. Yeah yeah yeah okay.

[chwaliszewski]

149. Don't bother, adigal.

I've already bumped heads with bravenak last week. I'm guilty of having white male privilege so I'll never know what it's like to grow up as a black woman, according to her. Yes, Hillary will no doubt face sexism, which is always bad, but to have someone say she ' can never do anything right'? A bit too dramatic, I think.

"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." - Harry S Truman quote

[adigal]

173. Thanks for the heads up, Mr. White Male Privilege. :) nt

[AntiBank]

71. Everything she does is wrong and he can do no wrong ever<<<< flip that baby around

As for sexism, sooooo lame you be.

If it was Elizabeth Warren in Bernie's place THE EXACT SAME DYNAMIC WOULD BE GOING ON.

[bravenak]

77. BULLSHIT, prove it

[AntiBank]

115. it's simple, we want a PROGRESSIVE Democrat, not a neoliberal warhawk, Warren would do

GREAT as well. She is miles beyond Clinton in terms of positions and integrity.

The Clinton camp is the sexist one, alwaying whinging on about gender, using it as a weapon. That dog don't hunt, it's a Brockian fallacy, malicious and shameful.

[bravenak]

118. She is progressive.

[AntiBank]

121. yes, progressively centre right wing in regards to foreign policy, trade and whatever else

the wind blows her weathervane to the right on.

Pick a side, ANY side, of tonnes of issues, she has been on it.

Dont come crying to us when TPP, Chained CPI, and more empric wars are rammed down our throats, whilst her banskter funders run fucking riot on what's left of democracy and fairplay in economics.

[bravenak]

123. Bullshit

Center right in YOUR nation but center left in AMERICA

[AntiBank]

125. if Hillary is what passes for LEFT, the USA is so fucked

[bravenak]

128. She is. More left left than center left in this country

I live in a red state and she is world apart from a republican, they literally want to starve babies.

[AntiBank]

135. just because she is to the left of a rethug, that in no ways makes her left of centre overall

and just so you know, I am an American citizen, I just happened to have lived in 8 different countries, currently Sweden

[bravenak]

138. You just have to be here full time to know how far the right is in comparison

[Matt_R]

159. no, gutting Social Security make you a conservative.

Against personal freedoms make you a conservative, Clinton's is against late term abortions and gutting all abortion rights.

Against affordable healthcare for all americans makes you a conservative, Clinton has stated in the past that single payer is off the table.

Supporting free trade agreements with countries that have legalized slave labor, come on $1.35 an hour is slave wages. Guess what Clinton supports... TPP... TA DA

At this point I've wasted too much time doing your homework for you, and I don't see changing your mind on how bad a Clinton presidency would damage our country. Don't start with me on how Trump would be worse, I'm well aware what a Trump presidency would harm our country as well. And saying Clinton is better than Trump just shows how out of touch you are with the rest of us living paycheck to paycheck.

Good luck and don't bother replying if you don't have substance it just makes you look foolish... Just pointing out the obvious jury.

[adigal]

165. Yes, I would be celebrating Warren today!!

The problem with the parties as I see it is that the Republicans are so horrible, the Democrats can get away with being kind of horrible and we will all fall in line and vote for them. Sigh.

[chwaliszewski]

194. +1

[Maru Kitteh]

195. Are you shit-stirring on purpose by kicking a 2day old thread with a measly little +1 for a post?

[BreakfastClub]

152. +100 nt

[tex-wyo-dem]

23. Oh cut it with the sexism crap...

Pure Brockian bs

Many including me are nervous about having Clinton as the nominee, and it has nothing to do with gender.

[TimPlo]

24. hy·poc·ri·sy

həˈpäkrəsē/
noun
the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2008/05/clintons-closing-argument-to-superdelegates/53314/
^Clinton Writes letter to SD trying to flip them away from Obama 2 days after the final vote was cast.

http://addictinginfo.org/2016/05/21/hillary-wrote-this-letter-to-superdelegates-in-2008-that-bernie-fans-may-find-interesting/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/clinton-in-2008-opposed-e_b_10245288.html

hy·poc·ri·sy so obviously on display is so sad.

[boston bean]

29. Clinton did not do this all through the summer up to the convention.

[TimPlo]

35. Oh I forgot you can see the future.

I am sorry I am not as gifted as you and can honestly say Sanders did it all the summer up to the convention. hy·poc·ri·sy is showing big time now.

[boston bean]

39. Has nothing to do with clairvoyancy.

I listen to bernie and what he says.

[TimPlo]

42. That not what you said.

So you are not sure he is going to do it? You never said that in your reply to me. You never said you thought he was going to do it, you made a claim that Clinton was special because she did not do it all Summer and yet Neither has Sanders. Is that because she is a women and you hate men so give her a pass for trying to flip the SD?

[seabeyond]

59. Ah, so Sanders is lying and we should not take him at his often repeated words?

[TimPlo]

67. I have no idea.

But I not going to state a future event as fact by something someone said. More so as I have no proof was even said. But claiming Sanders did something when that event has not even come to pass is dishonest. You can talk about he should not do it but can not claim he did it, and give Clinton pass because she did it for some made up fake time period.

[seabeyond]

88. Sanders has repeatedly stated that he is taking it to the convention and fight to flip SDs

against the voters voice. He said this. This is all that we have to go on. To challenge someone being pissed at what he states repeatedly, is bullshit. If he changes his mind, then we deal with that. Now all we have is the words he says.

[TimPlo]

93. So when he does that

Then can bitch about him doing it. Clinton tried to flip the SD in 2008, plain and simple. No one said or complained about it on her till now and holding Sanders to a different set of rules. Then when this fact was brought up people start moving goal posts and claiming Sanders has done this till the convention and Clinton did not. So until Sanders goes past the last vote complete next week + 4 days He has done nothing worse than Clinton did in 2008.

BTW I do not think he should fight for SD as Clinton was wrong in 2008 doing it and I feel he is wrong this year. I just not going to call him names when he is doing exact same thing Clinton did in 2008. I just take issue with fools crying about him doing it but Clinton did same thing in 2008. It is dishonest and only being done because people are so team biased and let things slide.

[seabeyond]

97. No, I am not gonna wait day after day after day to see if he changes his mind. I am addressing

what the man says today.

[TimPlo]

100. So Clinton has a massive ego?

As you claim on Sanders? Because she felt she could flip the SD in 2008.

[seabeyond]

106. Over 400? Over 3 million shy of the popular vote? Nothing is comparable to '08.

[TimPlo]

107. So will of the voters only matter when you are x number over?

[seabeyond]

108. Clinton was ahead in the popular vote and why she considered it. As I said, nothing comparable.

[TimPlo]

110. But the popular vote is not a good indication of something

Because we don't accurately count ever individual vote in ever state, so that can not be used as a yard stick for anything.

[seabeyond]

112. Of course one can use it as a yard stick adn you are back pedaling. Clinton has it in every way,

significantly, over Sanders. This has simply become a tediously silly comparison you are making.

[TimPlo]

116. So what is magic number as I never heard of this rule of some number makes

trying to flip SD a bad thing and other way makes it a good thing.

[Loudestlib]

139. If you're worried about lying you shouldn't support Hillary.

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[seabeyond]

141. MOST truthful candidate, three times running, when checked. Most truthful.

[Loudestlib]

142. She lies like a lawyer is what you mean n/t

[seabeyond]

143. What I mean is, when compared to the other candidates, she is the most truthful.

Sanders has to be working on a good 30 Pinnochios

[Loudestlib]

145. She's good at giving ambiguous answers and avoiding questions.

n/t I'm putting you on ignore.

[seabeyond]

147. Lol. Sanders does not even answer question, only income inequality. Suggesting

Clinton doesn't answer questions up against Sanders is an hoot.

[dchill]

58. Obama was not a flawed, disliked, ethically challenged ...

Presumptuous nominee.

[grasswire]

79. ^^^^^ nt

[ismnotwasm]

26. Yeah I'm real, real tired of it

Glad the first stage is won--she fought hard, we all did.


Women throughout history led up to this moment. I think of them and am grateful

[Blue Meany]

30. She was expected to give up and so is Bernie,

She didn't end her campaign until the convention, and before the Convention she wrote to every superdelegate making her case that she was the stronger candidate. Her campaign was also discussing going after Obama's pledged delegates, but I don't think they went through with that. Bernie is just planning to go to the Convention to make his case.

I don't see the sexism any more than I think anti-semitism it at play in the way Bernie has been treated. But I can say that he certainly has not been treated as well as she was in 2008.

[geek tragedy]

34. She endorsed Obama in early June 2008. nt

[floppyboo]

54. The Primaries were earlier that year. She took 5 days off after the last one before conceeding

so same time last year. whatever. Its like me looking at last years tide chart and expecting to launch a boat at high tide

[boston bean]

65. Was the convention 5 days after he end of the primaries?

[floppyboo]

113. where did say convention?

Last primary june 3, convention aug25, but you knew that.

[TimPlo]

46. Oh another post talking about what Sanders has not done yet.

In case you don't know today is not July 25 so can't say Sanders did xyz up to the convention. Doing that is kinda dishonest.

[TwilightZone]

51. "She didn't end her campaign until the convention" - uh, no. Clinton conceded on June 7th.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5020581

[mcar]

36. Too bad Bernie

Sour grapes much?

[MoonRiver]

37. What a pathetic little loser. I think Hillary should just ignore him and focus on Don the Con.

[TimPlo]

47. hy·poc·ri·sy

həˈpäkrəsē/
noun
the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2008/05/clintons-closing-argument-to-superdelegates/53314/

http://addictinginfo.org/2016/05/21/hillary-wrote-this-letter-to-superdelegates-in-2008-that-bernie-fans-may-find-interesting/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/clinton-in-2008-opposed-e_b_10245288.html

[TeddyR]

49. She's a terrible candidate

Although I'm going to vote for her over Trump. The fact that Bernie isn't conceding tonight doesn't make him sexist. But every time a Hills supporter casts stupid slurs it makes it that much harder to support Hills.

[seabeyond]

61. So terrible, she kicked Sanders ass.

[TeddyR]

70. Agreed

She did. And I'll vote for her. Doesn't mean she's a good candidate. President Obama, Gore, Bill Clinton, Biden, Liz Warren, etc. are all better politicians, candidates and people, but we vote for those we are stuck with, and this time we are stuck with Hills.

[seabeyond]

94. Clinton is better than three on that list and one I am not counting because we have not

seen enough of her to convince me yet, though I think maybe she is better than Clinton. Obama is special. Clinton might out do him in policy, but Obama is damn good.

[TeddyR]

102. So on this point we agree

Obama is a really good politician. And a solid president. He accomplished a ton even though he had to deal with constant obstruction.

[redstateblues]

124. How can you say she is a terrible candidate when she beat Bernie so handily?

I don't get it. To me Bernie was a very flawed candidate, much more so than Hillary. There are no Obamas running this time.

[beachbumbob]

55. Bernie is nothing but an angry old socialist who can't handle losing to a woman

[Vattel]

57. wild accusation

[merrily]

60. bull puckies, plain and simple.

[betsuni]

63. K&R

[Trust Buster]

64. News wires are reporting that Senator Sanders is going to lay off half his staff.

This is not a night to gloat. This is a night to celebrate Hillary's achievement and commend Senator Sanders for far outperforming everyone's initial expectations. This should be a night of humanitarian understanding and not more bitter division.

[rhett o rick]

68. Why don't you understand that we are going to fight against the corporate corruption

that has control of our government. We are fighting for the 2.5 million homeless American children and not fighting for bigger profits for corporations. Unlike some, we are not going to grovel at the feet of the Big Corporations, we will fight them forever if necessary.

Our founders would be ashamed of those that are so willing to give up their freedoms and the freedoms of the disadvantaged for some kind of promise of security.

[grasswire]

84. Moreover, we are not so weak as to send the weaker candidate to fight the ogre.

Two candidates in Dem primary. One weaker, one stronger against Trump.

What logic would tell us to send the weaker candidate to fight the ogre?

That would be considered crazy, in any kind of contest.

[rhett o rick]

137. The Powers That Be know who will win in Nov. They are not worried at all.

[BlueStater]

72. I wasn't aware you *stopped* being pissed at him.

You've been whining incessantly about him for weeks.

[boston bean]

74. I was trying to turn a new leaf.

[grasswire]

76. tough.

The sexism card is ridiculous.

[yodermon]

81. No thanks, I'd prefer a woman who ascended on her own merits

and not the name recognition/branding mega machine of her asshole HUSBAND who was also lemme think, president. Huh.
*golf clap*

[grasswire]

86. ouch!!

that's gotta bern.

[D_Master81]

90. Doubt it will happen

I dont think Bernie actually goes through w/ it and takes it to the convention. My guess is he will give it a day or 2 and will concede by the end of the week when party pressure become overwhelming.

[senseandsensibility]

91. Sorry you're "pissed"

Really...I'm really sorry. My heart aches for you and your pissedness.

[adigal]

95. Hillary is not well liked - and she has the email server issue bringing her down

NPR just went on about how her numbers have gone down since this email server issue and that the Republicans think that Trump can really win if he just stays on message.

I wish we could at least talk realistically about her.

[AgingAmerican]

99. Just admit you hate him and call it good....

Sarah Palin was VP nominee BTW.

[Bluenorthwest]

101. You could be having such a plesant night and this is your life choice.

Sort of says it all.

[Scootaloo]

104. Yes, we know all about your indelible rage at Sanders.

[immoderate]

105. It could be that Hillary is reactionary, and Bernie is progressive.

That and your history of always being pissed at Bernie accounts for it.

--imm

[bloom]

119. Bernie is part of the 1%

That he claims to be fighting against.

[Herman4747]

188. Do let me know when he shows up wearing a $12,000 jacket...

...but don't wait too long to observe seeing this.

[R B Garr]

127. Exactly! There's not much else to call it but male privilege when a man

thinks he's entitled to something he hasn't earned. Sickening!

[G_j]

129. I'll listen to what people have to say, and give

you the time of day. I'll hear you out on complaints of Bernie staying in the race.

But this "sexism" meme is pure intellectual dishonesty. It's unadulterated sleaze with no basis in reality. I can't respect that in any way.

[HERVEPA]

133. You can guarantee no such thing. The sexism is extremely minimal.

[aikoaiko]

146. HRC was in a different place than Bernie

He has the funds to continue, she can't really give him anything to bow out, and Bernie wants to fights to the end.

[jack_krass]

148. "I'm getting pissed at Bernie again."

Good

[Jamaal510]

150. He cites that

as the reason why he won't suspend his zombie campaign yet, but I suspect that he's doing it for more publicity and money. This is beyond ridiculous.

[Loki Liesmith]

156. Let it go

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His campaign is broke and there are no more states to run in. Whether he suspends his campaign or not, his campaign is suspended.

[noiretextatique]

161. Some Democrats really hate the democratic process

Perhaps we should just coronate her now on forego any more of these pesky elections.

[Gothmog]

163. Sanders is a bitter old man who can not give up his anger

[Warren DeMontague]

164. oh, just admit it.

You never stopped being pissed at him, did you?

[boston bean]

167. I'm not sure how you think you know my every waking thought.

But just for you... It's a process. I try and then I hear he is taking it to the convention again and YES, that does piss me off.

[Warren DeMontague]

168. it's not just you. I know everyone's waking thoughts.

Really, it's more of a burden, than anything else. Omniscience. Big old pain in the ass. Anyone who says they want to see all hasn't seen it all. Most peoples' private, secret innermost lives are booooooooring as fuck. Shh! Don't tell.



But my keen third eye perception also tells me that Sanders is probably going to do the right thing and concede and endorse, in the next week or two.

I think geek tragedy is correct in his assessment that Sanders's last speech was more about him landing the plane than refueling it.

[sharp_stick]

166. Money and media attention

will dry up pretty fast now. It's a shame that it looks like he'd rather go out with a whimper and keep his campaign on life support.

[bvf]

171. I see. Activism = "Throwing a fit."

You're pissed?

I think that's great.

[disillusioned73]

172. Well..

[KPN]

175. Lol! Too funny! Bernie didn't say he was gouing to beg superdelegates -- but YOU DID!

I applaud Bernie for standing up against a corrupt system and having the courage to use every tool available to him for doing so.

[Thinkingabout]

178. Losing integrity is good for some people.

[Herman4747]

189. Yep. And Hillary's was shot down years ago...

...by invisible sniper fire.

[JohnnyRingo]

181. Wait until his rallies and donations dry up

The news outlets will put him on ignore and he'll quietly fade away.

"If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it..."

[Orsino]

182. There's no middle ground between campaigning and concession.

He wants to bring Sanders delegates to pack the convention, so he must say he's campaigning for the nomination, even if all he really expects is a platform and ticket that honors something of what he's fought for throughout his career.

We want change, and a nominee that promises it and means it will unify the convention and party. The alternative is no change.

[boston bean]

183. I just have to correct you. There is a middle ground. It's called suspending.

It is what every single candidate does. It allows them to retain their delegates.

[Orsino]

184. That doesn't get him to the convention with as many delegates.

I wouldn't blame supers for abandoning a candidate who'd suspended.

Sanders is still trying to win--much more than the primary. He's trying to save the party and American politics in general from the toxicity of Big Money.

[boston bean]

185. Sander will not flip one Superdelegate. I'm sorry, but he won't. In fact, he will lose many of the

ones he has if he doesn't suspend.

[Orsino]

186. Suspending, however, would certainly flip some. n/t

[Herman4747]

187. Bernie is fighting so he can influence the party platform...

...and your mindless profanity does not advance your case.

[democrattotheend]

196. Are you still pissed at him?

Or did his remarks today make you feel better?