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imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:00 AM Jun 2016

How California was stolen from Sanders. Massive voter suppression in California documented.

1. The first punch to reduce the turnout of Bernie supporters was the media declaring Clinton the winner of the nomination before a single vote was cast on Tuesday. Why vote for Bernie if Clinton has captured the nomination? That media claim obviously hurt the voter turnout for Sanders in all the Tuesday primary states.

2. The second and more deadly punch against voters is documented in detail by Greg Palast at:

How California is being stolen
from Sanders right now
Tuesday, June 7, 2016
Special bulletin from Greg Palast


http://www.gregpalast.com/california-stolen-sanders-right-nowspecial-bulletin-greg-palast/#more-12053

Gregory Allyn "Greg" Palast is a New York Times-bestselling author and a freelance journalist for the BBC as well as the British newspaper The Guardian. His work frequently focuses on corporate malfeasance but has also been known to work with labor unions and consumer advocacy groups.

Notably, he has claimed to have uncovered evidence that Florida Governor Jeb Bush, Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris, and Florida Elections Unit Chief Clay Roberts, along with the ChoicePoint corporation, rigged the ballots during the US Presidential Election of 2000 and again in 2004 when, he argued, the problems and machinations from 2000 continued, and that challenger John Kerry actually would have won if not for disproportional "spoilage" of Democratic votes.


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How California was stolen from Sanders. Massive voter suppression in California documented. (Original Post) imagine2015 Jun 2016 OP
Here U go...nt asuhornets Jun 2016 #1
...again. demosincebirth Jun 2016 #5
This and other campaign "dirty tricks" and slanders used against Sanders will not encourage unity. imagine2015 Jun 2016 #12
The Democratic voters have spoken..now we are waiting on Sanders to concede..Period asuhornets Jun 2016 #21
Oh, so you speak for ALL Democratic voters, now? senz Jun 2016 #38
YEP! asuhornets Jun 2016 #40
Holy Carp Batman MFM008 Jun 2016 #2
LOL Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #7
Bwaaahaaaaa! Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #29
greg palast lol doesnt he write science fiction books? nt msongs Jun 2016 #3
Well, this one certainly qualifies as fiction. nt TwilightZone Jun 2016 #18
LOL tritsofme Jun 2016 #4
Time to stand down, soldier. Tarc Jun 2016 #6
Except, the early voting had Hillary way ahead. How does he account for that. stevenleser Jun 2016 #8
I hear there have been Elvis sightings CAG Jun 2016 #9
Most of that is simply complaints about the hurdles NPP voters must jump to vote in a Dem primary. LonePirate Jun 2016 #10
NPP voter in my house Mz Pip Jun 2016 #16
Hurdles? All I had to do was check in a box Retrograde Jun 2016 #36
California is not as ultra liberal as you think tandot Jun 2016 #11
It's super diverse- just like NJ! bettyellen Jun 2016 #25
This reminds me of that scene in Citizen Kane thucythucy Jun 2016 #13
Bernie gets his ass whipped = RIGGED!!!111110ne11 workinclasszero Jun 2016 #14
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! MohRokTah Jun 2016 #15
This is the only appropriate reaction to the conspiracy theories. Metric System Jun 2016 #28
Another guy who can't count to 2383. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #17
LOL, Greg Palast. ucrdem Jun 2016 #19
Self-centered Californians thinking everything is about them MadBadger Jun 2016 #20
Oh, please... Skid Rogue Jun 2016 #22
Is anyone surprised?? GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #23
c'mon man! jcgoldie Jun 2016 #24
Wow. They're not going to even going to wait for it to be called. RandySF Jun 2016 #26
I know at least a half dozen Hillary supporters who didn't bother to vote today. eastwestdem Jun 2016 #27
oink riversedge Jun 2016 #30
Expecting voters to follow the law is not stealing an election BainsBane Jun 2016 #31
Reality check is being cashed as we speak. Hekate Jun 2016 #33
Delusional as usual book_worm Jun 2016 #32
A laundry mat...they're voting in a laundry mat! leftinportland Jun 2016 #34
There was one precinct in San Francisco Retrograde Jun 2016 #37
I voted in California until 1996 leftinportland Jun 2016 #41
Ha! Walk away Jun 2016 #35
Oh sweet Jesus Loki Liesmith Jun 2016 #39
Thanks, imagine2015. Good to know investigators are looking into this shit. senz Jun 2016 #42
I see a lot of scoffing at this article... leftinportland Jun 2016 #43
And by the way ... senz Jun 2016 #44
 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
12. This and other campaign "dirty tricks" and slanders used against Sanders will not encourage unity.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:10 AM
Jun 2016

Clinton herself, her surrogates and Democratic party leaders have done a great deal of damage against a badly damaged candidate who already is dislike and distrusted by most voters.

It's up to the superdelegates to stop Trump. And they clearly can't do it by backing the Clintons.
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
38. Oh, so you speak for ALL Democratic voters, now?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:10 AM
Jun 2016

My, my! How do you find time to post on message boards?

Better hurry on back to all those voters who are waiting for you!

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
8. Except, the early voting had Hillary way ahead. How does he account for that.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:06 AM
Jun 2016

California was going to go Hillary. The only question was how much. Sanders seems to have closed the gap in the final days in terms of polling, but hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions of votes had been cast by then.

CAG

(1,820 posts)
9. I hear there have been Elvis sightings
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:08 AM
Jun 2016

At polling places, distracting Bernie voters away from the polls! And Bigfoot too!! Who knew Sasquatch was a Wall Street crony!

LonePirate

(13,414 posts)
10. Most of that is simply complaints about the hurdles NPP voters must jump to vote in a Dem primary.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:09 AM
Jun 2016

Whether you agree or disagree with the hurdles, they are known well beforehand. There is no conspiracy with them. Not only that but there is a very easy solution to clearing those hurdles - change party affiliation from NPP to Dem. It is a Dem primary after all so it's not asking too much for voters to be Dems or strongly commit by following rules for obtaining a crossover ballot.

Mz Pip

(27,434 posts)
16. NPP voter in my house
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:14 AM
Jun 2016

He got a notice about voting in the primary that included a form to complete to vote in the Democratic primary. He completed the form and with 2 weeks got a Democratic ballot. There was not mysterious hurdles to jump.

Retrograde

(10,132 posts)
36. Hurdles? All I had to do was check in a box
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:55 AM
Jun 2016

and send back the friendly postcard asking which of four ballots I wanted (Dem, Lib, A-I or NPP) and I got a Democratic ballot. No muss. no fuss.

Now, if I hadn't done that I would have received a No Party Preference ballot, which - because I read the voters' guide the state sends out and posts on its website - I could have taken that down to my local polling place (which is printed on the county voters' guide - NPP edition - that I got) and exchange in for one of the parties that allowed NPP voters to vote in their primary.

tandot

(6,671 posts)
11. California is not as ultra liberal as you think
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:10 AM
Jun 2016

A lot of Democrats who are middle of the road ... and, sadly, a lot of Republicans

thucythucy

(8,043 posts)
13. This reminds me of that scene in Citizen Kane
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:10 AM
Jun 2016

where he's running for governor. Kane of course owns a big newspaper, and the editors have to decide what headline to run with.

The first is: "Kane Wins Election!"

The second is: "Massive Voter Fraud!"

Pretty much sums up what's happening here.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
23. Is anyone surprised??
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:21 AM
Jun 2016

Clinton must be winning...

But states where Bernie wins...pure as the wind blown snow.

BainsBane

(53,027 posts)
31. Expecting voters to follow the law is not stealing an election
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:35 AM
Jun 2016

His discussion is about the no party preference ballot. Sanders could have devoted resources to voter turnout, including informing them about the no ballot, but he chose to spend money on advertising and rallies, which is why the head of his CA campaign quit. That has been how he has proceeded throughout the campaign. Despite outspending Clinton 2-1, he has refused to devote adequate resources to organizing.

Then there is the fact this entire argument rests on the assumption that Sanders supporters are uniquely unable to figure out how to vote.

Lastly, I'm fuckng sick of these efforts to erase the votes of the majority that Sanders supporters have engaged in. You all pull this shit every tine he loss, and in the process you demonstrate absolute contempt for the voting rights of the majority who has voted for Clinton.

This is not a close result. It's a blow out. To pretend huge numbers of Sanders supporters are just too stupid to ask for the right ballot and that resulted in a swing of thirty to fifty points is utter nonsense. It's time to stop the bullshit games. if any of you had devoted a fraction of the energy to voter turnout efforts that you do complaining about election laws--all known years in advance--he might be doing better. Ultimately the thing you all can't come to terms with is that elections require organizing and hard work. No one is owed power simply because they believe themselves better than the rest of the human race. Votes have to be earned, and that is something Bermie and his supporters have never believed applied to them. They thought--and continue to think--voters owe Bernie their votes, and that the nomination is owed to him because he and his supporters are certain they are superior to the majority they have treated with contempt throughout this election. Next time, try persuasion instead of insults and working to turn out voters rather than nurturing extremely unattractive persecution complexes. There is no conspiracy to deprive the white male bourgeoisie of their uncontested grip on power. You're just living in a changing America where other people also matter.

Hekate

(90,627 posts)
33. Reality check is being cashed as we speak.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:44 AM
Jun 2016

This deserves to be its own OP -- but only in HRC Group, where it won't be inundated with sad emojis.

leftinportland

(247 posts)
34. A laundry mat...they're voting in a laundry mat!
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:44 AM
Jun 2016

Voter roles missing pages, broken machines...California thought you were better than this, will be interested to see how many provisional ballots are cast today.

Retrograde

(10,132 posts)
37. There was one precinct in San Francisco
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:02 AM
Jun 2016

that used to have its polling place in a Starbucks. I stopped in once: they shoved a bunch of tables aside and set up the polling place in the back of the store.

When I moved to Californian in 1976 I was surprised that my polling place was somebody's garage. I've since voted in a firehouse, a couple of churches halls, the laundry room of an apartment complex, and the lobby of an office building (they provided donuts). While I'm a permanent mail voter, I did have an assigned polling place for this election - a rec room in a senior center.

leftinportland

(247 posts)
41. I voted in California until 1996
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:25 AM
Jun 2016

Usually voted in a school or rec center...moved Oregon in 1996 and have been voting by mail ever since.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
42. Thanks, imagine2015. Good to know investigators are looking into this shit.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:26 AM
Jun 2016

What happened last night was intentional voter suppression by the corporate media on behalf of its corporate candidate, demonstrating a refusal to honor our electoral system and to respect the voters of six primaries.

Where have we seen this callous disrespect for law and for our system of government? Oh, that's right. Another investigator, James Comey, is looking into it.

I hope last night's fun and games can be added to the charges leveled. I hope our government and country can rid itself of such contamination in the future.

We deserve better.

leftinportland

(247 posts)
43. I see a lot of scoffing at this article...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:28 AM
Jun 2016

Sad that disenfranchisement becomes acceptable if your candidate benefits...

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
44. And by the way ...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:30 AM
Jun 2016

This thread should be shown to every Sanders voter in the country when it's time to vote in the GE.

Could work wonders.

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