2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHow California was stolen from Sanders. Massive voter suppression in California documented.
1. The first punch to reduce the turnout of Bernie supporters was the media declaring Clinton the winner of the nomination before a single vote was cast on Tuesday. Why vote for Bernie if Clinton has captured the nomination? That media claim obviously hurt the voter turnout for Sanders in all the Tuesday primary states.
2. The second and more deadly punch against voters is documented in detail by Greg Palast at:
How California is being stolen
from Sanders right now
Tuesday, June 7, 2016
Special bulletin from Greg Palast
http://www.gregpalast.com/california-stolen-sanders-right-nowspecial-bulletin-greg-palast/#more-12053
Gregory Allyn "Greg" Palast is a New York Times-bestselling author and a freelance journalist for the BBC as well as the British newspaper The Guardian. His work frequently focuses on corporate malfeasance but has also been known to work with labor unions and consumer advocacy groups.
Notably, he has claimed to have uncovered evidence that Florida Governor Jeb Bush, Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris, and Florida Elections Unit Chief Clay Roberts, along with the ChoicePoint corporation, rigged the ballots during the US Presidential Election of 2000 and again in 2004 when, he argued, the problems and machinations from 2000 continued, and that challenger John Kerry actually would have won if not for disproportional "spoilage" of Democratic votes.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)demosincebirth
(12,536 posts)imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Clinton herself, her surrogates and Democratic party leaders have done a great deal of damage against a badly damaged candidate who already is dislike and distrusted by most voters.
It's up to the superdelegates to stop Trump. And they clearly can't do it by backing the Clintons.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)My, my! How do you find time to post on message boards?
Better hurry on back to all those voters who are waiting for you!
MFM008
(19,803 posts)Perfect
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)msongs
(67,392 posts)TwilightZone
(25,456 posts)tritsofme
(17,373 posts)Sad
Tarc
(10,476 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)California was going to go Hillary. The only question was how much. Sanders seems to have closed the gap in the final days in terms of polling, but hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions of votes had been cast by then.
CAG
(1,820 posts)At polling places, distracting Bernie voters away from the polls! And Bigfoot too!! Who knew Sasquatch was a Wall Street crony!
LonePirate
(13,414 posts)Whether you agree or disagree with the hurdles, they are known well beforehand. There is no conspiracy with them. Not only that but there is a very easy solution to clearing those hurdles - change party affiliation from NPP to Dem. It is a Dem primary after all so it's not asking too much for voters to be Dems or strongly commit by following rules for obtaining a crossover ballot.
Mz Pip
(27,434 posts)He got a notice about voting in the primary that included a form to complete to vote in the Democratic primary. He completed the form and with 2 weeks got a Democratic ballot. There was not mysterious hurdles to jump.
Retrograde
(10,132 posts)and send back the friendly postcard asking which of four ballots I wanted (Dem, Lib, A-I or NPP) and I got a Democratic ballot. No muss. no fuss.
Now, if I hadn't done that I would have received a No Party Preference ballot, which - because I read the voters' guide the state sends out and posts on its website - I could have taken that down to my local polling place (which is printed on the county voters' guide - NPP edition - that I got) and exchange in for one of the parties that allowed NPP voters to vote in their primary.
tandot
(6,671 posts)A lot of Democrats who are middle of the road ... and, sadly, a lot of Republicans
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)thucythucy
(8,043 posts)where he's running for governor. Kane of course owns a big newspaper, and the editors have to decide what headline to run with.
The first is: "Kane Wins Election!"
The second is: "Massive Voter Fraud!"
Pretty much sums up what's happening here.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Bernie wins....silence.
EVERY TIME!
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)TwilightZone
(25,456 posts)He's also pushing the already-debunked ballot conspiracy theory.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)MadBadger
(24,089 posts)Millions of votes had already been cast.
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)Start paying attention to demographics. It helps make sense of things.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Clinton must be winning...
But states where Bernie wins...pure as the wind blown snow.
jcgoldie
(11,627 posts)You've become a caricature of yourself.
RandySF
(58,709 posts)To start the conspiracy theories.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)It works both ways.
riversedge
(70,182 posts)BainsBane
(53,027 posts)His discussion is about the no party preference ballot. Sanders could have devoted resources to voter turnout, including informing them about the no ballot, but he chose to spend money on advertising and rallies, which is why the head of his CA campaign quit. That has been how he has proceeded throughout the campaign. Despite outspending Clinton 2-1, he has refused to devote adequate resources to organizing.
Then there is the fact this entire argument rests on the assumption that Sanders supporters are uniquely unable to figure out how to vote.
Lastly, I'm fuckng sick of these efforts to erase the votes of the majority that Sanders supporters have engaged in. You all pull this shit every tine he loss, and in the process you demonstrate absolute contempt for the voting rights of the majority who has voted for Clinton.
This is not a close result. It's a blow out. To pretend huge numbers of Sanders supporters are just too stupid to ask for the right ballot and that resulted in a swing of thirty to fifty points is utter nonsense. It's time to stop the bullshit games. if any of you had devoted a fraction of the energy to voter turnout efforts that you do complaining about election laws--all known years in advance--he might be doing better. Ultimately the thing you all can't come to terms with is that elections require organizing and hard work. No one is owed power simply because they believe themselves better than the rest of the human race. Votes have to be earned, and that is something Bermie and his supporters have never believed applied to them. They thought--and continue to think--voters owe Bernie their votes, and that the nomination is owed to him because he and his supporters are certain they are superior to the majority they have treated with contempt throughout this election. Next time, try persuasion instead of insults and working to turn out voters rather than nurturing extremely unattractive persecution complexes. There is no conspiracy to deprive the white male bourgeoisie of their uncontested grip on power. You're just living in a changing America where other people also matter.
Hekate
(90,627 posts)This deserves to be its own OP -- but only in HRC Group, where it won't be inundated with sad emojis.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)leftinportland
(247 posts)Voter roles missing pages, broken machines...California thought you were better than this, will be interested to see how many provisional ballots are cast today.
Retrograde
(10,132 posts)that used to have its polling place in a Starbucks. I stopped in once: they shoved a bunch of tables aside and set up the polling place in the back of the store.
When I moved to Californian in 1976 I was surprised that my polling place was somebody's garage. I've since voted in a firehouse, a couple of churches halls, the laundry room of an apartment complex, and the lobby of an office building (they provided donuts). While I'm a permanent mail voter, I did have an assigned polling place for this election - a rec room in a senior center.
leftinportland
(247 posts)Usually voted in a school or rec center...moved Oregon in 1996 and have been voting by mail ever since.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)What happened last night was intentional voter suppression by the corporate media on behalf of its corporate candidate, demonstrating a refusal to honor our electoral system and to respect the voters of six primaries.
Where have we seen this callous disrespect for law and for our system of government? Oh, that's right. Another investigator, James Comey, is looking into it.
I hope last night's fun and games can be added to the charges leveled. I hope our government and country can rid itself of such contamination in the future.
We deserve better.
leftinportland
(247 posts)Sad that disenfranchisement becomes acceptable if your candidate benefits...
senz
(11,945 posts)This thread should be shown to every Sanders voter in the country when it's time to vote in the GE.
Could work wonders.