Really? Taking it to Philly?

[bravenak]

Good grief. This is way way way boring. I am way over this primary. Please just stop and don't talk about taking it to Philly. I just want this over. I won't say this is an ego trip of epic proportions. I won't.

[merrily]

1. Deal. This has planned for a long time and not by Bernie.

[KittyWampus]

79. Please plan it somewheres else then. The Left doesn't need it's own irrational TeaParty.

Anyone who wants to splinter the Left as the Right is now imploding under the weight of Tea Party favorite is beyond shortsided to totally blind.

[merrily]

81. Ummm, I didn't plan it, either. And the left doesn't have its own Tea Party.

[PatrynXX]

83. Bernie is doing what we want him to do.

That is the Democratic Way. And you need a certain number to win. She doesn't have it which gets us to a floor fight. This is how a Democracy works. End of Story. (and for the whoever has the most votes should win. hey for the most part they didn't count the Caucus States in those vote counts. So he could easily be winning the popular vote. Just stating the facts. Thats not opinion. You go to the states that caucus and ask for the vote totals.

[geek tragedy]

2. He's landing the plane.

He's not running against her anymore.

[bravenak]

4. I just do not believe it this time.

A concession is the right thing to do.

[JRLeft]

15. If he's attempting to change the platform I can get with that, but if he's

trying to win the nomination when he cannot win the majority of pledged delegates I'm totally against it.

[bravenak]

18. I'm not quiet sure what he was saying he was trying to do

But he can have influence right now by working with the party. There will never be more leverage than now. It lessens by the day.

[JRLeft]

27. From what I've been told by members of his campaign he's pushing to push the party back towards

working class people and the poor. The democratic party fights for white collar workers not blue collar workers.

[bravenak]

33. That's what he said but he started at that monochromatic regatta

He wants to take us back to when shit was jacked up for many of us. His focus is too narrow and he was not interested in learning about the modern coalition. The far left is unreliable and the white working class votes republican. The democratic party fights for those who form our coalition best because we do the everyday work and are reliable. Hard to fight for groups that vote for republicans and spit in our faces when we offer a hand.

[JRLeft]

38. No, his platform also includes socioeconomic policies. He wants

POC taken care of too. That's not coming from Hillary.

[bravenak]

41. He failed to include any affirmative action

No plan will get to us as needed without that. I said that last July. That is why he failed with most of us. We old. We heard that shit before. We hear more of what he did not say than wht he did say. He aint said nothing new.

[JRLeft]

46. Cornel West whether you like him or not wants to add that back into the platform.

I think he went after Obama in the wrong way, but he was right. Obama needed to fight harder for the poor.

[bravenak]

49. He shoulda got Brother Bernie to put it in his

Real shit. Bernie has hella words that sound good. But words are wind, we all know that. Somebody else will come talking that same shit and the college age voters will be all enraptured and you will be like, :eyeroll:, I heard all this shit before.

[JRLeft]

51. Agreed, he should have but the people he put on the platform will fight for racial justice.

Keith Ellison will fight hard.

[bravenak]

55. They will. He was not much of a fighter himself

Let the bad blood simmer between his camp and us black folks. I really kinda thought he would say something at some point since he was into civil rights. He's just a talker. I actually trust Brither West more than him on racial justice and love Ellison. But Bernie needs to step back and not let it be about him but the ideas.

[JRLeft]

58. Bernie never spoke about his civil rights record, because he didn't

feel it was right to use it in his campaign. His campaign ended up using it, but he never talked about it.

[msongs]

3. taking it to the streets...

[bravenak]

10. They can kick it with me but Bernie better get off my lawn

[uponit7771]

5. +1, its been over... now he's' just going to yell at clouds.

[bravenak]

8. I hope the media can ignore him now

[NurseJackie]

6. But on the bright side ...

… He never once said "when I'm president" , or "as president I will" or any words to that effect . Would that be dipping his toes into the bargaining or acceptance pool?

[bravenak]

7. I hope this is just a small step of only a few towards concession

This is just tiresome

[betsuni]

25. But he would've said "when Bernie Sanders is president" or

"as president Bernie Sanders will."

[moriah]

9. He's talking about the ideas and the platform he's taking to Philly.

I posted my thoughts on his speech in the thread about booing Hillary. I think he would have said more if the crowd was actually ready to hear it. They weren't.

[bravenak]

12. He needs to bite the concession bullet

[moriah]

14. He will, after the DC primary.

I have no doubt.

[bravenak]

17. I hope you are right

[zanana1]

71. It's a movement.

I've been around for a long time and I've seen the Civil Rights movement, the Feminist movement, the Anti-War movement and the LGBT movement.
I will vote for Hillary Clinton, but I'm very much in favor of Bernie's movement. It can't die an early death because of the primaries.
Whatever the outcome may be, we can't allow the movement to die.

[totodeinhere]

11. I will continue to support Bernie's drive to the convention.

He has every right to take it to Philadelphia.

[bravenak]

13. Sigh

[JI7]

16. the convention speech , nothing more. the campaign is laying off people

[bravenak]

20. I hope so, he should concede and use his influence begore it goes away

Strike while the iron is hot

[JI7]

24. i think he just wants dc to vote and then he will officially concede

but unofficially you will probably see steps being taken leading to that in the next week.

[bravenak]

26. That would Be a dream come true

[Lord Magus]

68. He'll only get a convention speech if he concedes.

The DNC won't let Bernie go up on the stage and campaign for the superdelegates to give him the nomination.

[HarmonyRockets]

19. Go look at exactly what he said.

He actually said that he is going to Philly to fight for his platform. He never mentioned fighting for the nomination at all. Before that he specifically said he is staying in it until the primaries are over, referring to DC.

I think it looks like he is going to stay in it until DC, then get out and endorse Hillary, but tell his supporters that he is still going to "take it to Philly" to fight for changing the platform.

[bravenak]

21. Look. He lost. He will never get to influence the platform by fighting the party. He is wasting it.

[workinclasszero]

22. They want a repeat of the 68 Democratic convention in Chicago

There will be riots.

Count on it.

[bravenak]

23. That is my sense of this, yes

[workinclasszero]

29. Philly has designated free speech zones pretty far from the convention center

They are not going to stay there. They want to surround the center and stop all movement into the convention.

What will happen when the crowd jumps the barriers and heads toward the center?

[bravenak]

36. They will end up in custody, many of them

Probably won't make it inside unless they get in by acting normal. Our crowd wont ne letting them run the show and I think we should prepare and get our security plans in place.

[Surya Gayatri]

60. His rabid followers will never get credentials to enter the

convention arena. And, they will be corralled at a safe distance from the venue.

[bravenak]

62. I am thankful for that

[BumRushDaShow]

67. As a note, the convention is not in the Convention Center

(that building being in Center City Philly). The actual convention hoopla where delegates gather for the speeches and voting and the primetime news coverage, will be miles away in South Philly at the Wells Fargo Center (where the '76ers and Flyers play).

The Convention Center is hosting some of the platform and other business meetings during the day however.

[apcalc]

76. And you know what all that will get them

Nothing.

[MohRokTah]

28. He's just a bitter whining loser.

Hillary will have to pivot right in order to take more votes from the center because the Sanders Left has made it clear they are sitting it out.

[workinclasszero]

34. I think lots of republicans already plan on voting for Hillary

Only Klan members, militia types and the terminally stupid are Trump true believers.

[MohRokTah]

35. Most Republicans will toe the line.

hey will vote Trump because of the (R) and for no other reason.

[Jack Bone]

61. I work in a Union auto plant

Many feel that Hillary will pass TPP...Trump will not

This is our bread & butter here .. Many have over 20 yrs in...NAFTA & CAFTA almost killed us....we know that the TPP will.

I know about a dozen UAW democrats that tell me they're voting for Trump.

Poly Sci professors will be speaking of "Trump Democrats" 5-10 years from now.

When democrats tack to the right...voters always choose real republicans over the fake wannabes.

Sad to say...but we did this to ourselves.
These are self inflicted wounds..

[Lord Magus]

69. There's been no "tack to the right". You need to quit enabling that lie. -nt-

[Jack Bone]

72. progressives love fracking....Liberals negotiated the TPP...

For-Profit Prisons are loved by Democrats nationwide....GMO's are an environmentalist's dream-come-true!



c'mon...get real

[bravenak]

44. That is my fear

[MohRokTah]

47. What other choice is there?

They've declared "Bernie or Bust".

Hillary must make up the votes somewhere.

[bravenak]

50. No other choice

Gotta do what we gotta to to prevent Trump. Go after republican women and centrists and moderates. Gotta defeat Trump all all costs.

[MohRokTah]

54. Yep, since the Sanders Left has declared Bernie or Bust, there is no other choice.

Ironic that the entire country moves to the right because the left has to be whiny babies, isn't it?

[bravenak]

56. More ironic than an Alanis Morrisette song

They really know how to kill a revolution

[aikoaiko]

30. It will be alright.

[lunamagica]

31. I know Brave. I was speechless. And the way he kept quiet when his crowd booed hillary

was just disgusting

[bravenak]

37. The level of hate for her scares me

[L. Coyote]

32. Maybe it is not about the nomination any more, just the revolution and what the people want

versus the corporations and plutocrats. You garner all the support you can before you decide on the party platform.

The revolution can't just take a break while Republicans control the House or Senate.

[bravenak]

39. The more he fights us the less influence he has

The far left will be ignored for a long time if they start stuff at the convention. Just like they lost the 70s and 80s. We are moving back leftwards. Would be dumb to force the party to look to the center for votes. It will move us right again.

[L. Coyote]

53. The center decides every election.

What we need now is a way to get the center to fire House Republicans, so President Clinton can accomplish the agenda Bernie just laid out.

[apcalc]

77. I agree

Let's see if he can actually work WITH people to accomplish common goals...

I have my doubts.

[Lord Magus]

70. But do the people actually want "the revolution"?

Based on the voting it seems not.

[L. Coyote]

74. Based on the voting, it seems plenty do, no doubt many who voted Clinton do too.

Watch and see who the V-P nominee is. Expect a progressive choice.

[Lord Magus]

78. Of course the VP will be a progressive choice.

Not to placate Bernie voters but because Hillary is a progressive.

[Silver_Witch]

40. Oh but look you did...

I see your vow did not last too long.

He clearly was indicating that he is staying till the end, he also gave voice to Unity and Stopping Trump...however that has to be done. Clearly you did not hear the speech or you choose to not hear his edging toward ending his campaign - just not his MOVEMENT.

[bravenak]

42. I'll stop once he concedes

[Silver_Witch]

52. No you vowed to stop days and days ago...

remember?

Why so angry? Your candidate won...

Man people here are amazing.

[bravenak]

57. I vowed to stop UNNECESSARY CRITICISM

This is NECESSARY

[dchill]

43. "this is an ego trip of epic proportions..."

And you're taking it. It's not about you.

[bravenak]

45. Oh please

[dchill]

48. You're welcome.

Any time I can help.

[avaistheone1]

59. I'll second that. It is not about you.

If it is boring for you just change the channel dear.

Otherwise perhaps it is you that is boring.

[bravenak]

63. If I were boring you would not have come, dear

[William769]

64. kick & recommended.

[larkrake]

65. deal with it, its the law

[Gothmog]

66. Lets see what Pres. Obama negotiates on Thursaday

I have a great deal of confidence in President Obama to talk some sense into Sanders

[DisgustipatedinCA]

73. You find it boring? Read a book. Take up gardening.

[HumanityExperiment]

75. DEM convention...

Party over principle... this is the bit, HRC and her supporters embrace and what they fail to understand about Bernie's campaign

Simply put, DEM establishment is in uncharted waters, they have NO bearing to guide them... their flailing until convention will be a thing to behold...

'Sore winner' will be the tamest of the adjectives to define them...

Principle matters so much more than party.. and this lesson will hurt... and hurt badly rolling into and through convention but one DEM establishment will learn

[Blasphemer]

82. As someone who has generally stayed neutral during primary season...

I've been happy to support any of the major Democratic candidates in the general election despite having some issues with all of them, but I've grown quite sour on Senator Sanders as primary season has been winding down. And, it's not about the issues. Every major Republican candidate was able to graciously concede defeat to a man who they cannot stand and who is bringing the GOP down in flames. It does not look good for the Democratic party or Senator Sanders that the same cannot be said for our side. It is not only embarrassing, it actually undermines what I presume to be long-range goals to move the Democratic party on some issues and bring much of the country along. Whatever his intent, it LOOKS petty, it LOOKS graceless, it LOOKS presumptuous, it LOOKS decidedly unbecoming of a person who sought to be President of the U.S. It is also concerning to me that his doing so is making it such that the first female major party nominee for president cannot fully celebrate that historic achievement because someone else is casting a negative shadow over it. People have rightfully pointed out that HRC was taken to task over staying in too long in 2008 when the vote counts were closer. It just does not look good for a progressive candidate running under the umbrella of a party that has nominated the first African-American president and now the likely first female president to be putting a dark cloud over the moment. I get it. The issues matter. The history we are making is worth squat if we don't deal with climate change but, he's going about it in a way that is turning people, who aren't already core supporters, off to the message. The message is important but the messenger matters. How you handle defeat is a important test of one's character, especially that of those on the world stage. I'm sorry to say that I think Senator Sanders is failing that test. And, in doing so, failing in his goal of getting people to focus on issues that are bigger than one particular election cycle. The issues are bigger. Now, Senator Sanders needs to be bigger.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

84. Will humble Hillary not go to Philly?

Although, I would really like to see that...it's quite possible that her ego will carry her there.

[Marrah_G]

85. I applaud him taking it to Philly