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DCBob

(24,689 posts)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:32 PM Jun 2016

The Fix: Bernie Sanders has run out of arguments for how he can win

Bernie Sanders's campaign has hustle. That's hustle in the work-hard, keep-it-together-when-it's-falling-apart sense -- and, a bit, in the three-card-monte sense. As the campaign has progressed and Sanders's chances went from zero to 49 percent, the campaign created a cascading set of explanations for how the senator from Vermont would end up as the party's nominee.

This was uncut hustle, according to Politico's behind-the-scenes look at the campaign. "Top Sanders aides admit that it’s been weeks, if not months, since they themselves realized he wasn’t going to win," Politico's Edward-Isaac Dovere and Gabriel Debenedetti write. But they kept weaving webs of explanations for how it would happen, just enough binding to hold the movement together.

As of Tuesday, those webs have broken apart. Not only because Politico's piece gives the lie to the idea that the campaign itself thinks that it can win, but because all of the arguments that the campaign has made for why superdelegates should give him their votes were washed away by the last big night of voting.

That's Sanders's only remaining hope: To persuade lots of Clinton-supporting superdelegates to back him at the convention. But there are no reasons left for them to do so.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/08/bernie-sanders-has-run-out-of-arguments-for-how-he-can-win/

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Its not clear what Bernie could be thinking to justify continuing on to the convention. He cant possibly win. He is losing credibility and influence by the day. He is wasting money, time and effort. He is helping Trump and GOP by distracting our nominee and the party from focusing on the convention and the general election. I dont get it. It almost seems like he is doing it for spite.

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The Fix: Bernie Sanders has run out of arguments for how he can win (Original Post) DCBob Jun 2016 OP
I don't think Sanders is running against Clinton anymore, nor is he going to maintain geek tragedy Jun 2016 #1
He cant continue bashing and trashing her all the way to the convention... DCBob Jun 2016 #3
he won't, he knows that won't fly anymore. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #4
Yes, I suppose it will take him some time. DCBob Jun 2016 #9
^^^^^^^ Peacetrain Jun 2016 #12
Bernie said the SD's would support him after he had won most primaries yesterday and had momentum tonyt53 Jun 2016 #2
All Bernie has to do is say California changed his mind, and he understands he wasn't the choice. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #5
That would have the been logical decent thing to do. DCBob Jun 2016 #8
From the Politico report, it looks like he (or his staff) might have bought into the indictment TwilightZone Jun 2016 #6
Yes, that is a possibility but as you say it wont be him.. it would likely be Biden. DCBob Jun 2016 #7
I'm not sure he understands that. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #10
Hillary bought into the Whitey Tape in 2008, even high achieving people go somewhat batshit geek tragedy Jun 2016 #11
Agreed. Denial and desperation are very powerful motivators. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #13
So what. He's still won the debate about restructuring governance. That was always the goal. ancianita Jun 2016 #14
He's basically left only with Clinton's 2008 "anything can happen". n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #15
So who created and dispatched this misleading tweet du jour? ucrdem Jun 2016 #16
K & R Scurrilous Jun 2016 #17
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
1. I don't think Sanders is running against Clinton anymore, nor is he going to maintain
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jun 2016

the pretense that Clinton hasn't won.

There'll be haggling about speaking slots and platform planks and process reforms, that's his game for now.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
3. He cant continue bashing and trashing her all the way to the convention...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jun 2016

and expect to get a speaking spot.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. he won't, he knows that won't fly anymore.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jun 2016

you don't land the plane from 30,000 feet in one minute, gotta ease into it.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
9. Yes, I suppose it will take him some time.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jun 2016

I was thinking he would do it today but that doesnt appear to be the case.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
2. Bernie said the SD's would support him after he had won most primaries yesterday and had momentum
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:35 PM
Jun 2016

He lost big time. so he just negated his own argument.

TwilightZone

(25,428 posts)
6. From the Politico report, it looks like he (or his staff) might have bought into the indictment
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jun 2016

fairy nonsense. If he truly believes that she'll be indicted or whatever, he might be hanging on to that thread. If that's the case, he's not going anywhere for a while.

The problem with that reasoning, of course, is that the choice would likely be Biden and not Sanders.

TwilightZone

(25,428 posts)
10. I'm not sure he understands that.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jun 2016

I think he's under the assumption that if she gets indicted between now and the convention, all of the SDs will bail on Hillary and support him.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
11. Hillary bought into the Whitey Tape in 2008, even high achieving people go somewhat batshit
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jun 2016

crazy when they're desperate and losing a presidential primary that they thought they could win

TwilightZone

(25,428 posts)
13. Agreed. Denial and desperation are very powerful motivators.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:56 PM
Jun 2016

The former has been in evidence for a while now. The latter starting ramping up around NV time and seems to be reaching critical mass.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
16. So who created and dispatched this misleading tweet du jour?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:11 PM
Jun 2016


Wasn't the Clinton campaign. IOW someone is still misleading his supporters.
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