Uh She's still short 199 delegates

[LiberalElite]

NY Times says so: http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results

[metroins]

1. Not helpful

Pretty sure we don't need to live in the past.

[Gore1FL]

26. Living in the future isn't possible.

Let's live in the now with the math of the now.

[metroins]

36. Agreed.

Hillary is the presumptive nominee, we should focus on progress and defeating Trump.

[Gore1FL]

73. Feel free to.

But don't pretend that it's already happened or that there isn't business to do at the convention.

[metroins]

77. No pretending

The pretending has been since March that the voters would choose Sanders.

They have not.

[Gore1FL]

83. It's nice that you feel you need to argue against something I didn't say.

Please proceed, governor.

[metroins]

86. Thank you.

I'm glad we're not arguing.

[stevil]

47. Enjoy the now

Don't watch the convention though, LOL!

[Gore1FL]

71. I love the convention

It's important and interesting.

Not sure what you are trying to imply.

[lancer78]

75. The person

is implying that you will be disappointed at the convention when HRC wins on the first ballot.

[Gore1FL]

82. The person is apparently oblivious to my views on the issue. nt

[LanternWaste]

105. Math implicitly suggests statistical probabilities and statistical improbabilities.

Let's live in the now with the math of the now..."

Math implicitly suggests statistical probabilities and statistical improbabilities we are currently seeing. Patterns emerge, valid inferences, then predictions made.

Math speaks, the biased ignore it.

[Gore1FL]

106. How many days until the convention?

Convention Date - This Date > 0

Things happen at the convention. The convention is important.

Bias ignores it...

[Live and Learn]

56. But true. nt

[bigwillq]

2. And Bernie is still short 555 delegates

Where does he make them up?

[larkrake]

12. he doesnt. He loses, a winner of a huge movement getting so damned close from scratch

from fringe to here, proving the majority of americans want radical change away from corruption. If the party wants support, each and every person will rise and applaude him.If they want the enthusiasm, they will have to work for it. Without enthusiasm, Hillary does a face plant in the General.

[Generic Brad]

23. Who composes the majority you speak of?

If the majority of Americans preferred Sanders he would have won the nomination. They supported his opponent instead. To assert otherwise, frankly, is baffling.

[larkrake]

25. americans, not retricting to just dems. He touches all parties and indies

Your tunnelvision of only party baffles me. The General is only 29% dems.

Why do you think only half the dems are americans? The movement isnt just dems either, it is every american struggling

[mythology]

41. Who won more open primaries? That would be Clinton.

It's really hard to claim that there is some majority that would have just voted for Sanders if only they could when she won more open primaries than he did. She actually won double the number of open primaries.

If there were some massive number of Sanders supporters, they would have found a way to turn out like they did for Obama in 2008.

[larkrake]

51. again, you are thinking party. wake up

[Lord Magus]

59. No he's just talking facts.

If there really was a voting majority who wanted Bernie to be the nominee, he would be the nominee. If he had won all the open primaries that would've been enough to give him a majority of pledged delegates.

[larkrake]

90. Jesus, you people dont know how to read. I said he doesnt win the nomination

Christ, I cant wait until the Hilbots close their group and fade away in censorship

[lancer78]

79. Clinton won more open primaries n/t

[lancer78]

78. In 2012

Democrats were 38% of the electorate. Indies were only 29%.

http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/

[larkrake]

92. well, corruption flipped that block in the last 4 yrs

[lancer78]

96. Maybe

No one will know until after the GE.

[brewens]

58. Imagine a Bernie like candidate next time around that they can't so easily label a socialist.

I loved part of what Trump had to say during one of the debates. Mostly on infrastructure and what he'd seen other countries doing around the world. The same debate where he threw 9/11 and the Iraq war in Jeb's face. If Trump is elected, I will both love it and be royally pissed if he got YUUUUGE infrastructure rebuilding jobs program through! Love it because it's what we really need, but pissed because it's something Congress would never have let Obama have.

Hillary won't get a big rebuilding jobs bill either. If it was a republican though, hell with paying for it! Just like they always can do if they want to.

A lot of Trumps voters are idiots that are all jazzed about his racist crap, but many would probably be supporting a candidate like I imagine.

[larkrake]

89. socialist is a good thing, far better than a vulture

[rjsquirrel]

88. All hail King Bernie

He wants a coronation!

[midnight]

81. I think at the convention.

[TwilightZone]

3. Intentional obtuseness is not a terribly convincing argument.

[democrattotheend]

4. It's time to get real

Do you really think the party establishment, most of whom have written Bernie off from the start, are suddenly going to override the Democratic voters and give him the nomination? Even MoveOn opposes that.

The only way I see that happening is if she is indicted or otherwise implodes. And even then I don't trust the supers to nominate Bernie, which I think is part of why he is fighting for every last delegate.

[Thinkingabout]

5. She has the required delegates, a combination of Pledged delegates and Super delegates and the

popular vote, what else is needed. There will be one vote at the convention and it will be over. At least this the way it works in the DNC convention.

[KingFlorez]

6. Build a bridge and get over it

[Number23]

7. 2,026 pledged delegates needed. She has 2,203

2383 pledged and super delegates combined needed. She has 2777.

Where is all of this so-called "confusion" from you guys coming from? And more importantly, what is the point of it?

[sweetloukillbot]

10. #BernieMath...

I'm so done with this...

[uponit7771]

55. This is the math FAUX news is using at this second, I'm watching it to see how their civil war is...

... is going and stupid ass'd Hannity said Hillary could "barely" beat Sanders

They've been on the Mexican judge all day though...

lol

Hannity is saying Hillary has a problem with minorities !!! lofl!!

ALL FAUX news viewers are posting on DU now... lofl

[Number23]

57. Not just Faux, there have been loud handful of DUers all too happy to spread misinformation and lies

about how many delegates are needed to win the Democratic nomination.

[grossproffit]

8. Hillary leads Bernie by more delegates than Obama had over Hillary in 2008

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/07/us/elections/clinton-sanders-delegate-fight.html?_r=0

[caquillo]

9. The 2,383 threshold is only with superdelegates included

Without supers, she just needed a majority of pledged delegates, which is 2,026. As you can see, she crossed that mark and then some.

At this point, Hillary has the majority of pledged delegates, the popular vote, and most contests/states won. She has won by every metric. The superdelegates are not going to deny her the nomination.

Quit dreaming and move on. Seriously.

[larkrake]

11. yup

[One Black Sheep]

13. True, technically, Hillary is not the nominee yet

She will need the help of the super delegates, who won't vote until the convention, to get the required number.

[Demsrule86]

15. That is why she is called the presumptive nominee but the primary is over. nt

[One Black Sheep]

18. yep, people don't like it when other people speak in technical terms, but doing the math shows that

if all super delegates switched to Bernie, for whatever reason, Bernie would have 2,450 delegates, which is more than the 2,383 required.

Even if this possibility is only 10% likely to happen, or even only 1% likely to happen, nevertheless, it is there.

[Demsrule86]

14. She has clinched the nominating with supers and pledged as it is always done...way more than Obama

Your candidate lost.

[Loudestlib]

37. If Bernie had started the primary with pledged support from 440 super delegates like Hillary did,

it could have swung the primaries.

[mythology]

45. If Sanders had won the pledged delegate count, the super delegates

would have switched. He didn't.

[Loudestlib]

46. They didn't in the states he won. n/t

[lancer78]

84. And his didn't switch in the states she won n/t

[Loudestlib]

85. Link?

[lancer78]

98. Look at the CNN election center

a third of Sanders super-delegates are from states that HRC has won. However, only 20% of her super-delegates have come from states that Sanders has won.

[Demsrule86]

66. She had more when she ran against Obama

Yet he won the delegates and they switched. Had Bernie won, they would have switched to him.

[wyldwolf]

16. you're new at this, aren't you?

[Tarc]

17. pledged delegates (and the overall winder thereof) + committed superdelegates == winning

It's time to accept it and move on.

[GoneFishin]

19. Yeah. Suddenly math is not important. Funny, huh? nt

[senz]

48. Nothing matters to them but shoving it through.

[GoneFishin]

107. Yep. The lie is being propagated on even the "liberal" talk shows. The liars have been exposed.

[ozone_man]

20. July 25th the convention starts

She won't have enough pledged delegates before the convention.

Meanwhile, the FBI is continuing their investigations. It's not over til it's over as Yogi said.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. Your guy isn't going to wrest the election from POC and women >40 who gave HRC her majority.

We won't let him.

[senz]

52. Woman over 40 here. Prefer an honest, honorable candidate.

[840high]

70. me2

[senz]

72. Some of the nicest women I've met online have been older Bernie supporters.

Good minds, kind hearts, and big souls. Not bad at all.

[MFM008]

99. Im Way over 40

And the main reason she has been accused of being untrustworthy is 25 years of lies and innuendo most from republicans.
Or " we just don't like her"
Cloths
Hair
Voice
Alleged support of stuff we don't know or she might or, may have.

[senz]

101. Believe me, our reasons for disliking her are based in her character

as revealed through her behavior, not her looks. Who gives a shit about looks? Heck, our candidate, whom we adore, is half bald with a fringe of fly-away white hair, stooped posture, and a gravely voice. He ain't pretty, but he's honest and good.

[geek tragedy]

35. Sanders is not talking about contesting the nomination anymore. He knows he lost. nt

[scscholar]

39. I agree the convention won't be contested

One of the two will have to get over 50%.

[geek tragedy]

43. One of the two already has 50% nt

[calguy]

21. Uh... Who Cares????

Give it up. Your hard headedness is getting the best of you.
Time to face reality. Come back from fantasyland. The country is moving on. You can join in or continue to sit in the corner imagining a world that will never be. You'll never see your dreams come true by ignoring reality.

[LAS14]

22. This does not include super delegates.

She has won a majority of pledged delegates, and if somehow super delegates were wiped from the system, she'd still win.

[senz]

24. 107 SDs from states Bernie won, which thwarted the will of the voters.

Hillary Clinton reached 2,383 delegates only with the help of 107 superdelegates from states Bernie Sanders won, who actively thwarted the will of millions of Democratic voters in their own states.

...Clinton could have lost every state and still won the nomination with superdelegates

http://usuncut.com/politics/superdelegates-robbed-voters-primary/

These SDs were rich establishment insiders -- Hillary people who don't give a damn about voters in their own states.

If SDs were wiped from the system, Hillary could not win.

[MattP]

28. This isn't even worth a argument anymore you need help

[senz]

42. Can't refute it, so you make a personal insult against me?

[Lord Magus]

64. The writer of that article can't do math.

If Hillary had "lost every state" she most certainly wouldn't have "still won the nomination with superdelegates" because there's nowhere near enough superdelegates for that to happen.

Your own math is also way off, because if SDs were wiped from the system, Hillary would have 2197 delegates with 2026 needed to win. Or are you forgetting that if SDs ceased to exist, there would only be 4051 total delegates instead of 4766?

[lancer78]

91. So you are complaining that

Clinton got roughly 20% of her super-delegates from states Bernie won?

Did you bother to realize that Bernie got roughly 33% of his super-delegates from states Clinton has won?

The point of your post is irrelevant, as is Bernie whining about how SD's vote.

[HERVEPA]

27. Genug

[geek tragedy]

29. Uh she won and he lost, NY Times says so.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/election-2016.html?_r=0

Hillary Clinton claimed the Democratic nomination after wins in California, New Jersey and New Mexico, the result of a grueling but historic campaign. She quickly appealed to supporters of Bernie Sanders, who vowed to fight on, and to unite with her against Donald J. Trump. These are our takeaways.

She won the pledged delegate majority by a huge margin. She won the popular vote margin by a huge margin. She is the presumptive nominee and will be the official nominee within two months.

Because, you know, she won the primary.

Time to stop living in denial.

[workinclasszero]

31. Hillary will win on the first ballot

"Contested convention" over.

[dubyadiprecession]

32. She's got enough delegates to start beating up on train wreck trump..

Go Hillary!!

[bigtree]

33. in what universe is this relevant?

...

Hillary is going to be nominee.

[jcgoldie]

34. wake up man

This silly flip the superdelegates bullshit is beyond stupid.

[krawhitham]

38. Unless she kills someone on live TV the superdelegates will vote for her at convention

It's over, they will not leave her for any reason but a live killing or a FBI indictment


Neither of those two are likely, so stop acting like small children. And if one does happen Sander will still get nomination, no since in being dicks now it gains you nothing besides looking like crybabies

[senz]

44. LOL, that's what Trump said about his supporters.

[Beacool]

102. Thank you.

I wonder if they even realize how offensive they are. Obama was a hair ahead of Hillary in 2008 on both metrics: pledged delegates and the popular vote. Yet, no one in the party would have dared to take the nomination away from the first AA candidate to have finished the primary process in the lead.

Hillary has triple Obama's pledged delegate advantage and over 3M more votes than Sanders, but some people here act as if it's OK to deny that she's the clear winner. Yes, let's not nominate the first woman in history to have won the primaries, and who has done so by a wide margin.

[Beacool]

40. And?????

[sister_rosa_refried]

49. How dare you mock the height of her delegates!!!

Good DAY Madam!

[baldguy]

50. Super delegates are delegates, and their votes count.

and your own link shows she has 2,777 Total Delegates.

[senz]

53. They don't vote until July 25.

[baldguy]

54. But they can decide anytime - and have. Claiming they don't count until then is a lie.

Stop lying.

[senz]

60. Don't call me a liar. The SDs vote 7/25 and can change their minds

anytime before then.

And don't be calling me a liar.

[baldguy]

61. They have made up their minds, and are unlikely to change. To claim they are is a lie.

Stop lying.

[senz]

62. Reread what I said. And stop being so insulting.

Since you have so much spare time, read this too:

http://usuncut.com/politics/superdelegates-robbed-voters-primary/

[baldguy]

63. Spreading lies on DU is insulting.

You've got less than a week, then your time is up.

[senz]

67. Well baldguy with pitbull avatar, have fun insulting

and threatening little old ladies.

Whatever does it for you, honey.

[Lord Magus]

65. If you don't want to be called a liar, there is one simple thing that helps.

It's called not lying.

[senz]

68. Superdelegates vote on 7/25. Until then, they can change their minds.

And if you think that's a lie, then you aren't very well informed.

[caquillo]

108. Neither pledged delegates nor superdelegates technically count until the convention

The difference between the two is that pledged delegates are won in caucases/primaries, and those delegates are bound (or pledged) to that particular candidate. On the other hand, unpledged delegates (aka superdelegates) are made up of former presidents, senators, party leaders, etc. who can pledge whenever they please. But neither officially votes until the convention. Hillary currently has 574 superdelegates who have pledged support to her, and Sanders has 45. Pundits and news outlets count them in the overall tally, because these superdelegates have already pledged their support to either candidate.

Once again, Hillary doesn't need exactly 2,383 pledged delegates to clinch the nomination. She just needs a majority of pledged delegates, which is 2,026. Before Tuesday, she had 1,812 pledged delegates. She just needed 214 pledged delegates to reach a majority of 2026, which she did and now has 2,203.

One last time, the superdelegates WILL NOT switch sides now, especially since Hillary has won the majority of pledged delegates, popular vote, and contests/states won. The supers have never gone against the will of the people, and they're not going to start now, considering that Hillary has been a Democrat for nearly b50 years and has proven her worth and loyalty to the party. On the other hands, Sanders has only been a Democrat for one year, since he decided to co-opt the party's infrastructure to launch his presidential campaign. But before, he'd always been very critical -- even harsh -- toward the party and has continued to be during the last months of his campaign. That's why it's lunacy to believe that these party leaders will ditch the longtime Democrat who has won by every metric in order to appease the outsider who is losing badly and who has had nothing but bad things to say about the Democratic Party.

[StevieM]

76. The PDs also don't vote until July 25 and are allowed to change their minds.

Neither is going to happen. She won the most votes and the most delegates. She will be the nominee.

[lancer78]

94. No delegates vote until July 25th n/t

[senz]

69. If a candidate doesn't have 2383 pledged delegates prior to the convention

-- which neither candidate does and neither candidate will (because it is so close) -- then the SD vote at the convention will decide it.

I know you want her to have already won, but she hasn't.

So just be patient, enjoy the summer, and July 25 will be here before you know it.

[lancer78]

95. But as of right now

the result of the vote is not in doubt. The electoral college does not meet until the end of December, but we know who the president will be after November 8th (2000 being the exception).

[senz]

97. Neither candidate has reached the 2383 mark. We do not have a nominee.

If you don't like it, take it up with the rules committee of the DNC.

[Number23]

100. HILLARY HAS MET AND SURPASSED THE 2383 number. She has 2488 delegates in TOTAL

Will you PLEASE stop filling up this forum with this nonsense?!! Why don't you READ instead of arguing with everyone because you are wrong about everything!

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-results.html?_r=0

[lancer78]

74. She is 170

pledged delegates over 50% of the pledged delegates. Sanders could "flip" 380 super-delegates and he would still lose.

It is finished unless something unexpected happens to Clinton.

[midnight]

80. I know but the AP announced her the winner.

[Stuckinthebush]

103. Isn't it the silliest?

Jesus H keerist in a pickle jar. I swear that this forum gets nuttier and nuttier every time I visit. You just have to chuckle at the ridiculous antics. Bless their hearts!

[dlwickham]

93. I fixed it for you

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-results.html?_r=0

[Ace Rothstein]

104. Is the OP delusional or trolling?

Can't tell.