Is there any chance we can all get behind Sec. Clinton and keep Trump from being our next President,

[Unrepentant Fenian]

Last edited Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:06 PM - Edit history (1)

So tell me, what are you going to do on Election Day? P.S. I please know that it is none of my business, but if you are so inclined, please let me know.
Thank you.

[Agnosticsherbet]

1. I am there. Other's will join.

[applegrove]

2. You call yourself a finian still... yet you want others to move on???

Just kidding. Give people time.

[Mass]

3. I think the vast majority of Democrats and independents voting for Sanders

will support Clinton.

Of course, a very small number of people will say they wont, but the risk of having Trump president is clear to all of us who actually care of people's well-being and people will rally against him, if not for her (I assume many of Sanders supporters will do that too, though I know I have a hard time being happy about this, but there is no other choice.)

[msongs]

4. democrats will vote for hillary. nt

[bvf]

8. democrats (sic) won't be enough.

Plus the number of Democrats is about to go down.

As is turnout. Thanks for your help.

[MFM008]

6. We will either

Have voted by mail or dropped ballots off.
Sitting around watching returns
With a couple of bottles of champagne.
If we win... which I believe will... to celebrate
If we dont...I'll need them.

[aikoaiko]

7. After the convention suits me fine.

[The_Casual_Observer]

9. It's doubtful that Trump will survive August.

[HooptieWagon]

10. Should have worried about Trump before burning bridges.

I'm not hearing any sympathy for Clinton from the Sanders FB groups. Most are giving a Barbara Boxer finger to Hillary.

[glowing]

11. By the 16th you should have a really good "feeling" that

everyone is "unifying". T

Now, I do see a few Bernie people pushing the envelope to flame things up. However, the lock down from Hillary people wanting to have the site exclude any negative article written about her is really quite scary. It's very Republican in the manner quite a few of them are acting. Like the Bush years of, "you are with us, or against us". It's certainly not the "Big Tent" party any longer. The attitude of pushing progressives out, means the loss of the base that tends to do a lot of GOTV efforts, etc.

This third way, corporate take over of the party may just be the catalyst that ends up destroying the party. Just look at all the "sponsors" from corporate companies that are paying for the convention, access to politicians, and will absolutely use their money donations as a means to influence policies they are championing. Seeing that Comcast is a huge sponsor and net neutrality issues is something they want to make more expensive or regulate "new industry related to turning off cable completely.

[JonLeibowitz]

12. On election day I will be voting, as I have since I was 18.

[Panich52]

13. I'm gonna do what any sane voter would..

Same thing I vowed since 2000 — vote Democratic. That someone as vile as Trump is Repub pick, that vow is ironclad.

Unfortunately, Berniebots & general Hillary-haters refuse to comprehend that any vote other than for Dem candidate is a vote to send us into Dark Ages of a fascist Trump presidency. One-time leftists & so-called progressives have fully embraced every anti-Clinton meme Repub's have ever spit out and use them as an excuse to delude themselves into thinking a 3rd party candidate, pref Jill Stein, can win. One even tweeted that if 3rd party takes 6 states, Trump can't win. Severe myopia &/or blinders force them to ignore that those votes would be deducted from Dems (as if Repub's who refuse Trump would turn Green instead of Libertarian).

Around May, 1980, it was obvious St Ronnie would be Repub candidate. Also obvious he'd beat Carter. Scared hell out of me. I'm absolutely terrified now.

[Beacool]

14. I'm hopeful that we can.

When the dust settles after next Tuesday, I hope that Sanders and most of his supporters join the rest of us and we become a united front against the real threat: Trump. There has never been a candidate like him, no political experience and an unabashed narcissist who thinks that the world revolves around him. Politicians can be self-serving, but Trump has taken it to another level. I'm not sure whether he's even interested in doing the job of president or if he's just enamored of the power that it would give him. When a U.S. president talks, the world listens. Trump would bask in the spotlight that the office of the presidency would give him.

It's scary......

[okasha]

15. I believe that Trump is also the first preside ntial candidate

to be officially non grata in two countries with which we have political, military and economic alliances--Scotland and Dubai.

[LostOne4Ever]

16. Hi Unrepentant Fenian

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]I am the Host (not a mod-DU doesn't have mods) who locked your thread.

I am here in this thread not as a host (no alerts on this thread yet), but as a DUer. First off, I do understand that Hillary is going to win, but the reason your thread was locked is because as far as DU is concerned the Primary does not end until the 16th of June.

Further the rule of thumb is that any thread that mentions Hillary or Bernie is considered a primary thread until then. So when your thread mentioned Clinton I had to vote lock. That is the way we have been doing it for a while now.

But, anyway, I am not posting in this thread as a host, but as a normal DUer who wants to warn you (as a courtesy) that if you complain about hosting decisions this thread will get alerted on and the host almost certainly will vote to lock this thread too as Disruptive meta.[/font]

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[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]I HIGHLY suggest you remove the part of your OP saying:[/font]

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]I posted this General Discussion and there was a lot of well minored discussion. But it seems that the Mods don't understand that the primary's really are over so they locked the thread. So here it is in the Primary thread.


[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Otherwise, when someone does alert on this thread (I won't be the one to alert on you) I or some other host will probably have to lock this thread too.

Again I say this as a DUer trying to help you avoid a lock, not as a host.

With that I will let you get back to your discussion and wish you a good night![/font]

[Unrepentant Fenian]

19. Thank you...

Thank you, I just noticed your post. I apologize and will make the change you suggested. I appreciate you're being so cool about it.

[CobaltBlue]

17. Unrepentant Fenian—Here is the truth…

It’s when the voting is cast that will tell us what counts—meaning, the results.

If Hillary Clinton wins the 2016 presidential election, a major part of her victory will be because she carried the Bernie Sanders voting base—which are 18–29 voters. They are the only voting-age group which carried in 2004 for losing nominee John Kerry. (The other three age groups are 30–44; 45–64; and 65+.)

A major reason why Bernie Sanders cannot be easily cast aside is because he received at least 70 percent of this group’s vote nationwide. It would have been one thing had he won 55 percent or 60 percent. But, the 70 percent—and make that at least 80 percent in states like Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin (all Rust Belt states)—is Hillary Clinton’s weakness. (To date: No presidential candidate has ever been elected carrying zero of the Rust Belt states. Contrast that to Old Confederacy states—and plenty of Republicans won while having carried zero of those eleven.)

The ball is in the court of those who truly yield the most power in the Democratic Party—on how they will operate; what and who they will represent (as the most key of their supporters); the agenda; who they field for office (especially in the higher, and highest, offices); and direction of the party.

That is not some magical or surprising answer.

It is the truth.



In elections, self-identifying Republicans and self-identifying Democratic voters—answering exit polls—do not carry 100 percent for their party. (In other words: No one performs perfectly.)

A winner will usually be at, say, 92–07 percent with having held his/her party support. A loser will be in the 80s—let’s say a decisive defeat means the losing candidate was 87–12 percent with having held his/her party support.

When it comes to the independent vote, a winner usually ekes out a victory from this group. The exception is because one party was more turnout size over the other one. 2012 was an example of this. Mitt Romney nationally carried the independent vote. But those self-identifying Democrats outnumbered the self-identifying Republicans. (Some feel there were Republicans who switched to independent but voted Republican, for Mitt Romney, anyway.) We are likely to see this 2016 presidential election winner also carry self-identifying independents.

On Election Night, when looking at national exit polls, I suggest paying attention to those numbers. That will help you figure out the winning political party, at the presidential level, for Election 2016.

[Bluenorthwest]

18. Your name quakes with irony when coupled with this question and of course you will not respond

but this attitude pisses me off. Look here Fenian, I first swore to thwart Trump in 84 or 85. There have been large, organized protests against him since at least 1987. His father was an object of protest so well known that Woody Guthrie wrote a song about racist old man Trump.

Meanwhile, what were YOU doing about Trump? What about say, Bill and Hillary? They were attending his weddings and social events, legitimizing him and helping him present himself as a mainstream and socially acceptable person. Donald was a known racist and multi-purpose bigot then, and many of us knew it. Many of us took action against him. Did you? No. Did Hillary? Very much no, she took actions which promoted him.

How about NBC? He was a racist shit when they made him a TV star. How about all those 'celebrities' who played his TV game? They said yes to a known racist. A known abuser of the poor. All of them said yes. Others said no, not every 'celebrity' asked bowed to Don those who did need to be confronted with that fact. He was then what he is now.

So this idea of people who just now decided to get around to opposing Trump now that you'd let him rise uncontested demanding loyalty oaths out of those of us who have been decades long constant opponents of Trump is backwards. It's those who played his games and attended his shindigs that need to be vetted and questioned as to why they saw Donald as suitable for association, for legitimization.

Pretending that Donald appeared out of nowhere is silly. Pretending that Hillary did not laugh and play with him for many years is offensive.

LGBT groups and groups of POC have been aimed at Trump for decades. And the rest of you have been watching the Apprentice and going to his parties. You should be thanking us and inspecting those on your own side who did not join us.

[geek tragedy]

20. All reasonable people can agree on this. nt