2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumUncounted Ballots on election night always exist.
Provisional ballots, late-arriving mail-in ballots and others can't be counted without checking them for validity. They'll all be counted. Every election has many of these. What experience tells us is that they almost always reflect the same percentages as the ballots counted on election night.
They will all be counted - every one of them that is a valid ballot cast by an eligible voter. The results will be reported when the election is certified. Anyone who expects that to change the percentages more than a point or two is confused.
Watch for the certified ballot count. You'll see that the percentages for each candidate will be essentially the same as they are now. That is what has happened every time, in every election that involves large numbers of votes.
False hope about the California certified count is just that - false hope.
Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)this is a very true statement. Thank you
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)I can't remember any major election that has changed significantly after late-counted votes were added. Not one.
ButterflyBlood
(12,644 posts)Alaska Senate 2008.
But Begich's margin to overtake Ted Stevens was FAR less than what Sanders needs in California. Not going to happen.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)Races that are very close sometimes swing on those uncounted votes. California was not close at all, though.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)And some will be only for local issues. And some will be for write-in candidates. When you finally get down to the ballots that count for the Democratic Party, some will be for Sanders and some will be for Clinton.
The idea that Sanders might possibly win is so naive, I'm not sure I have the words to express it.
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Brother Buzz
(36,364 posts)The San Diego Union refused to endorse Trump and proposed a 'write-in Reagan' protest vote.
randome
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virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Planot
(11 posts)The rest are mail-in ballots.
Clinton currently leads him by 450,000 votes in the overall vote.
And not all provisional ballots end up being valid. Please show the math that would turn Bernie into the Democratic nominee based on the percentage of those remaining ballots hat you think he will obtain.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Planot
(11 posts)Some votes are always invalidated.
virtualobserver
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PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)It's amazing that someone that claims to know so much about elections can make a claim
like that.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)Thanks.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Never seen any "recounts"?
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)Al Franken, for example, along with Minnesota Governor Dayton.
That's why I said significant changes in the results. Both of those were tiny differences in the statewide vote that required a detailed hand recount of every ballot cast in those elections.
Recounts for nail-biter margins have nothing to do with counting remaining ballots after an election with a double-digit lead for one of the candidates. When California's certified results are published, there won't even be a 2% difference in the results, and Hillary will still have won.
I asked for an example, and you talked about recounts in razor close elections. At least try.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Every Time, This demonstrates that your statement that "They will all be counted - every one of them that is a valid ballot cast by an eligible voter." is simply untrue. Anyone that knows anything about real elections would know that every vote doesn't get counted in an election of this size and complexity. So either you don't know or you chose to lie about it.