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MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:39 AM Jun 2016

Uncounted Ballots on election night always exist.

Provisional ballots, late-arriving mail-in ballots and others can't be counted without checking them for validity. They'll all be counted. Every election has many of these. What experience tells us is that they almost always reflect the same percentages as the ballots counted on election night.

They will all be counted - every one of them that is a valid ballot cast by an eligible voter. The results will be reported when the election is certified. Anyone who expects that to change the percentages more than a point or two is confused.

Watch for the certified ballot count. You'll see that the percentages for each candidate will be essentially the same as they are now. That is what has happened every time, in every election that involves large numbers of votes.

False hope about the California certified count is just that - false hope.

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Uncounted Ballots on election night always exist. (Original Post) MineralMan Jun 2016 OP
YES, speaking as someone who has worked the polls Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #1
I've been observing elections for over 50 years. MineralMan Jun 2016 #2
I can think of one ButterflyBlood Jun 2016 #4
Yes. That's why I wrote "significant" MineralMan Jun 2016 #5
You betcha - on all of your statements. Very little ever changes from it though, if any. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #3
And as someone else pointed out, some of those to-be-counted ballots will be for the GOP. randome Jun 2016 #6
A lot of the So Cal write-in's will be Republican protest votes Brother Buzz Jun 2016 #15
"Write-in Reagan"? {Giant face-palm}. randome Jun 2016 #17
this is an unusual election... in which the provisional ballot is likely to favor one candidate virtualobserver Jun 2016 #7
There are 705,489 provisional ballots left to be counted Planot Jun 2016 #11
All we need to show is that every vote counts. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #14
Not every vote counts Planot Jun 2016 #16
welcome to "democratic" underground virtualobserver Jun 2016 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #19
"They will all be counted - every one of them that is a valid ballot cast by an eligible voter." PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #8
So, show me evidence to the contrary. MineralMan Jun 2016 #9
The evidence of your own eyes isn't good enough? PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #10
Of course I have. All were very, very close elections. MineralMan Jun 2016 #12
I didn't mention "razor close elections". The point is when recounds are done the totals change. PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #13

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
2. I've been observing elections for over 50 years.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:47 AM
Jun 2016

I can't remember any major election that has changed significantly after late-counted votes were added. Not one.

ButterflyBlood

(12,644 posts)
4. I can think of one
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:01 AM
Jun 2016

Alaska Senate 2008.

But Begich's margin to overtake Ted Stevens was FAR less than what Sanders needs in California. Not going to happen.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
5. Yes. That's why I wrote "significant"
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:03 AM
Jun 2016

Races that are very close sometimes swing on those uncounted votes. California was not close at all, though.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
6. And as someone else pointed out, some of those to-be-counted ballots will be for the GOP.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:04 AM
Jun 2016

And some will be only for local issues. And some will be for write-in candidates. When you finally get down to the ballots that count for the Democratic Party, some will be for Sanders and some will be for Clinton.

The idea that Sanders might possibly win is so naive, I'm not sure I have the words to express it.
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Brother Buzz

(36,364 posts)
15. A lot of the So Cal write-in's will be Republican protest votes
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:54 AM
Jun 2016

The San Diego Union refused to endorse Trump and proposed a 'write-in Reagan' protest vote.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
17. "Write-in Reagan"? {Giant face-palm}.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:56 AM
Jun 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

 

Planot

(11 posts)
11. There are 705,489 provisional ballots left to be counted
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:30 AM
Jun 2016

The rest are mail-in ballots.

Clinton currently leads him by 450,000 votes in the overall vote.

And not all provisional ballots end up being valid. Please show the math that would turn Bernie into the Democratic nominee based on the percentage of those remaining ballots hat you think he will obtain.

Response to virtualobserver (Reply #18)

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
8. "They will all be counted - every one of them that is a valid ballot cast by an eligible voter."
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:24 AM
Jun 2016

It's amazing that someone that claims to know so much about elections can make a claim
like that.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
12. Of course I have. All were very, very close elections.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:34 AM
Jun 2016

Al Franken, for example, along with Minnesota Governor Dayton.

That's why I said significant changes in the results. Both of those were tiny differences in the statewide vote that required a detailed hand recount of every ballot cast in those elections.

Recounts for nail-biter margins have nothing to do with counting remaining ballots after an election with a double-digit lead for one of the candidates. When California's certified results are published, there won't even be a 2% difference in the results, and Hillary will still have won.

I asked for an example, and you talked about recounts in razor close elections. At least try.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
13. I didn't mention "razor close elections". The point is when recounds are done the totals change.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jun 2016

Every Time, This demonstrates that your statement that "They will all be counted - every one of them that is a valid ballot cast by an eligible voter." is simply untrue. Anyone that knows anything about real elections would know that every vote doesn't get counted in an election of this size and complexity. So either you don't know or you chose to lie about it.

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