Nina Turner bitterly slams Elizabeth Warren.

[sufrommich]

Nina Turner said she didn’t think Warren could woo Sanders supporters if Hillary Clinton chose her as running mate, saying the Massachusetts senator hadn’t done enough to help her colleague from Vermont during his primary campaign, reported The Hill.

“It’s easy for Democrats to attack Mr. Trump,” said Nina Turner, the former state senator from Ohio. “You don’t get any brownie points from me and other progressives for getting into a Twitter war with Mr. Donald Trump. That’s easy. But when the fight was hard for Sen. Bernie Sanders, where was Sen. Warren?”

Turner said she and other Sanders supporters were disappointed that Warren, as one of the most high-profile progressive lawmakers, didn’t campaign for the Democratic challenger.

“They’re gonna attack me for saying this, but I’m a truth-teller at this point,” Turner said.


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[NurseJackie]

1. She's very bitter and resentful, isn't she? Feel the unity, Nina ... #FeelTheUnity.

[Florencenj2point0]

9. #FleeTheBern

#NinaNeedsAJob

[Surya Gayatri]

68. Bwaahaaaa! "#NinaNeedsAJob"

[highprincipleswork]

121. Just like the rest of us will if New Dems have their way.

[Kentonio]

149. What a despicable attack on a true Democratic progressive.

Then again we should be used to that, considering the unbelievable attacks she got from so called Democrats when she came out for Bernie in the first place.

[Number23]

199. #FleeTheBern !!!!

[floriduck]

22. And she's very accurate, like it or not.

[NurseJackie]

52. She is sowing and perpetuating discontent ...

... And doing so for no other reason than for vanity and pride. As she stokes the dying embers of Bernie's campaign to inflame resentment and irrational fear, she's missing an opportunity to be a bigger person. Clearly, she's not ready to move forward. either that, or she's just not thinking for herself, and is following someone else's lead.

[Phlem]

65. !

Good one!

I guess ya'll know how to sow the discontent if you notice it "sow" easily.

[greiner3]

170. Sow

Isn't that a very sexist attack. Just sayin

[Phlem]

171. I think you meant sew.

which is different from "sow" and "so" and "SOE".

Didn't mean it as sexist? If you think "so", that's on you.

[redstateblues]

187. sow is correct-like sowing seeds

[Maru Kitteh]

247. Math class, English class. . . .

so exhausting.

[msanthrope]

273. So easily, you apparently mistook the usage of "sow." So unfortunate. nt

[floriduck]

67. Maybe so but she was accurately telling it like it is. Not like someone worried about repercussion.

[NurseJackie]

75. What does she hope to accomplish? What's her motivation?

[floriduck]

84. She's setting the stage for future election cycles when more and more progressive candidates

begin running for offices. The Sanders movement is not ending, it will be growing into an increasingly powerful force. And Nina is setting expectations for the next election cycle by stating that establishment Dems will have a much harder time manipulating those who might support them.

[Demsrule86]

118. If Trump ever got in

There would be no reason to bother...that is what you pie in the sky folks don't get. The GOP would have three branches of government...and even if we got them all back, the courts would be stacked...five justices over 80.

[floriduck]

158. Oh, the pie in the Sky people versus the DINO - saurs. Whatever works to support ignorance.

[apcalc]

202. Or...the purists who can't compromise

Will be the left's version of the Tea party....a fringe movement going nowhere...

[CrowCityDem]

80. She's not "telling it like it is". She says Bernie was ENTITLED to Warren's endorsement, which is bs

[floriduck]

90. That's a very narrow view of her intentions. She's sending a message to future super delegates if

they even exist after this years convention.

[CrowCityDem]

91. That waiting for the race to end isn't ok? Isn't that exactly what Bernie wanted? Get it straight.

[Dem2]

76. Nina seems angry

She needs to take a step back and re-evaluate, she isn't coming across as reasonable of late.

[NurseJackie]

82. She plays-well to the folks who already supported Bernie, but she added nothing to his campaign ...

... when it came to being able to actually bring in new followers. My guess is that she (and other poorly-chosen surrogates) ended up solidifying the base, but turning off and driving away more people than were actually persuaded to join the flock.

Thank God for that! Good work, Nina ... and Killer Mike ... and Cornel ... and Susan. (As annoying and grating as they were, I suppose we all owe them a debt of gratitude.)

[workinclasszero]

103. Worst surrogates ever!

Don't forget the "corporate whores" guy.

That was before Bernie needed the supers to win of course.

[LiberalFighter]

108. I sure was turned off by her.

Never really cared for her when I saw her on the news during her election campaign in Ohio.

I suppose you are right that we should thank her and the others.

[midnight]

228. Really? The minute I heard her speek…. I was relieved that she was smart, thoughtful and sincere.

[brooklynite]

142. I think this applies to ALL of Sanders' surrogates...

...they all were hits with the voters who were already Bernie fans; they didn't expand his pool of support.

[appalachiablue]

256. Sanders supporters aren't like poor Claire McCaskill who couldn't explain

on TV what socialism is after she said it, or rambling, veteran grouch and banker Barney Frank, Gloria 'where the boyz are' Steinem flop, or the Nevada performer Boxer, no not at all. Millions of people welcomed Sanders surrogates and team who are sharp and effectively behind him all the way on issues of vital importance to Americans. Bernie's remarkable qualities and resonating message, and his campaign's supporters like Turner drew millions into the populist, progressive Sanders political revolution. The impact and growth of this movement will last for generations and the histories written about the period will credit his campaign as the most influential in decades.

Much was added to Bernie's campaign and rallies by Nina Turner, and the people love her. A truly powerful and energetic speaker who's also highly intelligent, charming and personable Turner inspired and motivated thousands of Americans, a natural gift that few politicians possess. She's also a real survivor, innate since youth, a leader who sands tall and speaks the truth, and a woman who receives the respect and love of many including her large family and loving husband and son. She'll continue to fight with success for progressive goals in years to come, know it.

Nina Turner Rouses Crowd, Shares Grandmother's Wisdom on Success in Life, The Three Bones- Wish, Jaw, Back.

[brooklynite]

268. I know Nina Turner and I respect her...

...but if what she added wasn't voters, it doesn't matter much.

[appalachiablue]

220. An angry, unreasonable black woman. Really, keep going. I want to see how low this gets.

[Dem2]

224. What?

[appalachiablue]

227. That's brilliant, mature too.

[Dem2]

229. You made a ridiculous accusation

How the hell did you expect someone to react when you accuse them of racism while using a ridiculous stereotype in the process ? You should be ashamed.

[appalachiablue]

232. You made offensive, loaded comments and know it. Shame is yours,

and blatant. Don't try to game flip it on me. You need to get real.

[Dem2]

233. You brought race into this

I see a person, you see race - pretty hypocritical if you ask me.

[appalachiablue]

235. I told you to lose the game flipping. Get help if you can't stop. Later.

[Sheepshank]

172. Exactly. She needs to see that sowing further division doesn't help anyone.....

least of all the credibility of the Bernie Campaign.

[840high]

214. Clearly you are a mind reader.

[Demsrule86]

106. Baloney

BOB are not the majority. She will attract voters. Sour grapes much?

[NCTraveler]

112. She is actually wrong. Flat out wrong.

She arrogantly claims to speak for all progressives. Truly a fools game.

[okieinpain]

143. +1 n/t.

[Awknid]

211. I suppose Hillary speaks for Progressives? Ha Ha Ha

[840high]

215. Sure. lol

[Maru Kitteh]

248. Hillary never claimed to ha ha ha

But Turner did ha ha ha

[Lord Magus]

180. In what way is she accurate? Nina Turner is speaking nonsense. -nt-

[OnDoutside]

51. Poor Nina's head is going to explode when Bernie endorses Hillary !!!

There's something of the Fatal Attraction about her, or should that be Fatal Distraction ?

[Surya Gayatri]

73. Lock the rabbits up! She's really pissed off because she's berned all of her bridges and her

political career is as good as over.

Who would want this highly aggressive, one-volume, one-note, loose cannon working on their campaign? Totally lacking in political savvy.

[OnDoutside]

159. It will be interesting to see what she DOES do when Bernie endorses Hillary, if

she blows up, you'd expect it based on what she said about Elizabeth Warren. If she DOESN'T blow up (Sanders made a special effort to thank her personally for her support), then she's a hypocrite.

[Doremus]

163. She was our state rep.

She stood up for the people of her district, mostly working class and poor and did a fine job in the blood red Ohio legislature. She spoke truth to power then as she does now.

It surprises and saddens me to hear Dems disparage her without knowing how she went to the mat for us.

[Surya Gayatri]

166. Is there a reason that she is no longer your state rep.?

I wonder if she displayed the same vehement manner and aggressive rhetoric back then?

Or, did her surrogacy for Sanders bring out an especially bellocose streak?

[TSIAS]

174. No

She decided to run for Secretary of State instead. Unfortunately, she fell short of victory.

[FloridaBlues]

188. Agree her head will explode. Nina has gone off the rail this election

Ever since she lost her election she has gotten rather negitive. At some point Bernie people need to realize bashing other progressives won't help his revolution. Or what ever soap box she hope to stand on from here out

[JimDandy]

195. She is simply the first to state an observation that undoubtedly many

others, like me, were thinking. It's not bashing when it's a spot on fact.

[appalachiablue]

219. Nina Turner was a Clinton supporter who switched to Bernie. She knows politics,

was a state senator from Ohio and might run for mayor of Cleveland. She'll be just fine and doesn't have Fatal Anything. But others might.

[Jackilope]

66. Truth to bought power. Sounds honest to me.

[Baitball Blogger]

77. Wow. Did you really describe a woman as bitter and resentful

for speaking her mind?

[NurseJackie]

99. What's her role in the campaign? What are her motivations & goals? What does she hope to accomplish?

Or is she just some randomly chosen citizen-on-the-street giving an impromptu rant on camera?

She's a total self-absorbed amateur... completely unprofessional... with spokespersons like Nina (and the other high-profile ones that Bernie relied upon) it's little wonder that he had difficulty in attracting more support.

Based on her performance here (and throughout) it's clear to be that Bernie could have done better. She's was no asset to his active campaign, and she's doing nobody any favors (not even Bernie) with her current sour attitude.

You guys crack me up sometimes.

[Baitball Blogger]

105. I'm amazed by the double-standards that float around this website.

[NurseJackie]

113. Are you trying to change the subject by making veiled accusations that I've said something "sexist"?

If I'd said "shrill" or "harpy" or "hag" any of the other words that have often been permitted by juries when used to describe Hillary, then perhaps you'd have a point.

Clearly you'd rather avoid talking about my observations and points... so perhaps it's best of you go ahead and alert on my comment. Maybe you'll get a sympathetic jury that agrees with you.

Oh brother ... you guys are something else!

[Baitball Blogger]

115. "you guys"

Duly noted.

[NurseJackie]

119. Ha! That tells me all I need to know about you. :-P

[Baitball Blogger]

123. And you think this riposte raises your position?

Really? Trying to attach yourself to a popular icon, somehow makes you popular too?

Is that what you're aiming at?

[NurseJackie]

125. It's unclear what you're trying to say. Can you elaborate?

[apcalc]

203. Where I am from in PA , "you guys" refers to a group - either sex

A group of all men, all women, or mixed...don't get excited by the term!

" what have you guys been doing?"

" see you guys later"

It is a very common usage. Everyone says it.

[NCTraveler]

116. You're sexist!!!!!

[NurseJackie]

124. Wait, wait! That's not all ... did you see the follow-up? :-P

The poster "duly noted" that I wrote "you guys".

They really are petty and persnickety, aren't they? Here's what I imagine:

[NCTraveler]

128. Thank you for this moment of levity.

And I will now join them in saying I "duly note" that you said "you guys".

I'm not sure why but I'll be damned if I'm not going to "duly note" it.

[Demsrule86]

152. What double standard?

Bernie has lost. Nina makes herself look foolish. What possible difference can it make if someone endorses Hillary Clinton? If Nina was considering what is best for this country and not her own disapointment, she would want to help Secretary Clinton win. The progressive movement is toast if Trump gets in and picks five justices for the Supreme Court. Time for folks to put on their big boy and big girl pants and move on.

[Lil Missy]

191. Not for speaking her mind.

No. For her arrogant and bitter attitude.

I'll add - she also has a BIG and LOUD mouth!

[appalachiablue]

250. Real anger, aggression, loss of control and shouting are at this awful outburst display.

Clinton needs tightly controlled, protected and staged affairs with very limited people. It's obvious she's unable to greet and mix with groups, crowds or handle close up exchanges that are necessary for politicians.

At this atypical event how uncomfortable and fearful she is walking through a crowd with noise and music even before being asked a question. Not the person I recall and saw. Clearly only well prepared, safe occasions now and that's sad.

[Lil Missy]

257. And that has what to do with Nina being an angry and bitter loud mouth?

[appalachiablue]

267. What you don't get I'll enumerate. It has everything to do with this thread

where Nina Turner is falsely accused of numerous personally vile and loaded characteristics- 'angry, aggressive, arrogant, unreasonable, vehement, loud and big mouth, needs to be reined in'. Including vicious comparisons with the psychologically deranged, violent animal killer Glenn Close played in the movie 'Fatal Attraction', more. Way beyond malicious, it's impermissible.

Clinton's immediate reaction of shouting and hostility over a a question in a crowd was startling and intense, a complete emotional outburst, particularly forcing her hand and finger into the woman's chest. That kind of flash anger and public display of irrationality and aggression summons matters of cause, temperament and more.
Nina Turner has been scrutinized and smeared here for merely saying what others don't like or agree with. And the attacks on her profession, motives and background as a result are totally unjustified and reprehensible, all things considered.

[Lil Missy]

269. you are so exaggerating Clintons reaction and trying to change the subject.

Nina is bitter and hostile every single time I see her. Always shouting and whining about something. People are bound to notice.

[appalachiablue]

270. If you don't understand the importance and relevance of how women leaders

in the same field and fight- politics, behave and carry themselves at public campaign events then I can't help you.

[appalachiablue]

222. Also highly aggressive, vehement and bellicose. Angry and aggressive, another.

Unbelievable.

[leftofcool]

2. Nina's days are over.

[Ned_Devine]

183. Because? I think she's just getting started

Progressive voters are going to take over the next several election cycles and all the bullshit artists that have been selling us a bill of goods as candidates and then calling us "r**ards" the way Rahm Emanuel did go be put out to pasture where they belong. Nina Turner speaks truth to power and we, the working poor are truly thankful for her.

[LWolf]

261. I'd happily vote for her to be the first woman president. nt

[onehandle]

3. She's a jerk. nt

[YouDig]

4. So instead of attacking Trump, she wants Warren to attack Hillary. Does she even care about winning

in November?

[Ace Rothstein]

46. No.

It is obvious that many Sanders supporters want Clinton to lose in November, even if it results in a Trump presidency.

[Florencenj2point0]

5. UNDER THE DOUBLE DECKER BUS WITH YOU LIZ!

oh lordy lordy lordy lordy!

[metroins]

23. The bus needs monster truck wheels at this point

[boston bean]

31. I'm thinking something more like this would be more efficient for the amount of people needing ....

to be tossed under:

[LiberalFighter]

109. But they all have to think they are driving it.

[snooper2]

6. who?

[boston bean]

7. She isn't a truth teller at this point. She's an irrelevant whiner.

Wonder if Bernie feels like she does?? Doesnt she have some official capacity with his campaign?

[LexVegas]

8. Turner sees her relevance disappearing quickly, along with her meal ticket. nt

[yurbud]

87. I disagree with her too, but personal attacks are petty. Also, if she wanted a meal ticket...

she'd go where the corporate cash is.

The GOP would probably trip all over themselves for a black woman to be their spokesperson.

[okieinpain]

144. then that would make her a corporate whore. n/t.

[yurbud]

154. if she had gone that route, which she didn't

[geek tragedy]

10. Nina Turner peddling some sour, sour grapes there

Oh well, Bernie's going to do the right thing even if some of his supporters are still stuck in the past

[BootinUp]

11. lol nt

[kcjohn1]

12. Truth telling

Warner has little credibility with Sanders supporters.

[obamanut2012]

17. lolz you guys!

[MineralMan]

24. Really? For many Sanders supporters, Warren would have been

their first choice to run. I think you are incorrect in your assessment.

[kcjohn1]

42. Primaries real eye opening

Many supposed progressives heroes showed their true colors and how they were all talk, but were in reality establishment hacks.

I wouldn't put her in that category because she at least stayed neutral. However my point is that many Sanders supporters rightly feel she was not in the trenches with them and as such she will not be a figure that is going to be able convince them how great Hillary is and get them onboard

[KingFlorez]

25. Who is Warner?

[Grassy Knoll]

70. I Think He Played For The Rams

[emulatorloo]

107. Wasn't he married to Elizabeth Taylor?

[mythology]

134. That doesn't exactly narrow it down much

[Beacool]

164. Rep. senator from VA.

[emulatorloo]

165. ...

[appalachiablue]

225. Corp. Dem. Sen. Mark Warner of VA seven years, considered for VP twice already. Wow.

[NCTraveler]

114. I hope Warner has little credibility with Sanders supporters.

He is a hard core religious conservative.

[oasis]

135. Warren was reluctant to book passage on the Titanic. Smart move.

[Hiraeth]

240. Sure took her long enough to board the SS Minnow.

[KingFlorez]

13. This is absolutely ridiculous

I guess losing a statewide race 65-35 makes you very bitter. Nina Turner needs to have several seats.

[Adrahil]

14. Dear Ms. Turner:

Sen Warren has done more to advance progressive causes than you ever thought of. Get the fuck off your high horse.

[OnDoutside]

55. That's the problem with Idealogues, anyone who is less than idealogically pure is a traitor.

[One of the 99]

15. Turner has been a poor surrogate for Bernie

She comes off as way too angry and arrogant.

[JoePhilly]

18. +1

[disillusioned73]

26. Angry??

You really wanna play that card??

[One of the 99]

27. Just an observation

No need to get your feathers ruffled.

[glowing]

111. Yes, "the angry black woman"...

Post after post of Hillary supporters attacking s black woman for feeling the Warren should have helped to Bernie out. It's her feeling on the situation. But now, y'all are attacking a woman, a progressive, a Democrat, the only adult in the room in Nevada that calmed the crowd a bit after Boxer ruled everyone up... Sure, talk about busses and running people over. BTW, what do you say to people when they rant about Michelle Obama being an "angry black woman"? Do you realize you are all being sexist and racist at this point? Does it even relate that if someone mentions that they don't enjoy listening to Clintons voice or that her wardrobe stylist ought to be fired, they are sexist pigs. Does the word hypocrisy mean anything?

[oasis]

136. Sarandon gets the same treatment, you are way off base. nt

[glowing]

138. So, it's ok to be sexist and disgusting to a woman if they don't fit your mold?

It's ok to have opinions, as long as they are approved for "civil society" based on elite men who rule the world's expressed opinions and ideas of what is ok and what is not.

You may not agree with what they are saying, but to attack in a sexist or bigoted manner is simply disgusting. And you really didn't believe your own hype about supposed Bernie Bro's, you were just using sexism and a means to politic or shut down discussion... All of which many women who have supported Bernie have said since the beginning, attacking Bernie, who literally exclaims proudly he's a Feminist at his rallies and receives loud cheers for, is not the sexist. And the real sexist is Donald Trump... So, is the country going to believe you when you equated Bernie to Trump? Or will they just say, you're trying to play the "woman card" as a political meme?

[oasis]

145. "Sexism" "bigotry. You insist on making unsubstantiated claims.

I've read every post on this thread and have seen nothing that measures up to your accusations.

[glowing]

150. Really, "angry woman", "off the rails", "Nina who"

Dismissive, sexist, and bigoted..

[One of the 99]

161. Never said that.

So please don't try to put words in my mouth. It's intellectually dishonest.

[glowing]

173. I think the entire post is attacking a strong, progressive Democratic woman

because she believes that Warren should have stood up for the progressive candidate and rallied under the Progressive banner. I actually believe many of our "good progressives" were entirely too timid or acting politically "expedient" in coming out for the "establishment" candidate.

If anything, Bernie has shown that we really don't need those corporate donors. And if you stand with the people and try to make govt work for all the people, the people will support you. It's been extremely disheartening to see how many "progressive's" didn't trust the American People. Or that they couldn't see just how desperate Americans have become? The Republicans chose Donald Trump, a populist, anti-establishment ass hat that has absolutely no experience in anything political, as their presidential contender. On the "left", a 74 yr old Jewish man who describes his "independent" status as democratic socialist, and is wildly popular with 45 and younger.

It almost happened. (The establishment had the Clinton machine, dirty tricks, election fraud (and I'm not accusing directly Clinton, rather many people and systems in place that disenfranchises the voter along with unverifiable voting machines that didn't match very well with exit polls and the last few primaries refused to run those polls because people were catching on), and ultimately the dirty press influencing the CA race, and now Obama and the rest of the crew coming out to "finish" Sander's and the idea of political revolution off the stage... Couldn't wait another week. Had to press the American people into accepting the status quo, no matter how flawed that candidate is.

Seriously, I keep thinking, what happens if the Republicans continue building their negative narrative against Trump (because the elite cannot control his narrative and he's swinging to the populist left at the moment), they may actually replace him. They won't do it before the Dems have their convention and put Clinton in charge. If that happens, "Not Trump", doesn't have a lot of sway with the Independents that have NO party loyalty and make up 43% of all Americans at this point.

[One of the 99]

186. Again, not what I said

I voted for Bernie but thought she was a poor spokesperson for him. I thought Jeff Weaver was a poor spokesperson too. Just an opinion. But you obviously have some issues that you need to work out. Good luck with that.

[glowing]

194. I think dismissing my point of view of the entire posting thread

that is attacking a Democratic Party member is wrong. Many posts are directly making sexist and biggoted remarks. And saying I have "issues" is a personal attack... But I'll leave the hypocrisy alone. Let people judge the merits of the conversation. I haven't been keeping close attention to the entire thread, but at the beginning, no one said, "I think she was a poor surrogate for Bernie". And now, we throw in Weaver.

The original post attacked her for being "bitter" because she expressed her displeasure in Warren not endorsing Bernie or helping him out early on. Subsequently, Nina became the "angry female" (typically when someone calls a black female "angry", we call them out on a bigoted tone). Other posters used language that is sexist, in my view, to knock her down. However, the original intent on the posting thread was to make a dig at Nina. Called her "bitter". No one discussed how they felt she wasn't a good surrogate or gave details as to why (and I'm not sure why they would considering it was a post disparaging her remarks of disappointment in E. Warren).

But thanks for telling me I have "issues"... Guess it's a woman thing, since I'm just one of those stupid progressive types.

[One of the 99]

251. I think attacking me for the opinion of others is wrong.

Again you seem to have some issues that you need help with. Good luck that.

[Lil Missy]

209. You are the only one mentioning her color. Trying to twist it into a racial issue.

And BTW, NINA isn't immune from being angry just because she is a woman of color.

You are really weaving a long and tall tale - rambling on and on.

Are you angry and bitter too?

[notadmblnd]

216. So she's an angry, arrogant woman?

Yeah, who is making sexist remarks now?

[One of the 99]

252. Sounds like you are.

I never mentioned anything about her being a woman. You did.

[notadmblnd]

258. As far as females go- I can be a mans worst freaking nightmare.

[One of the 99]

259. Good for you

But if you want to read real sexist comments, try Elizabeth Warren's facebook page and the comments from Bernie supporters.

[Hiraeth]

241. Those used to be considered fairly sexist comments.

[One of the 99]

253. Why?

Anyone regardless of sex can be angry and arrogant.

[Hiraeth]

262. playing into a stereotype. I agree with you. I'm just saying, is all.

[One of the 99]

271. You were playing into a sterotype not me

I was just making an observation.

[obamanut2012]

16. Wow, so she wants Warren to attack Hillary and not Trump

JFC.

[Silver_Witch]

34. Where did you see this statement in Nina's words?

[MineralMan]

19. There is no equivalence in clout between Nina Turner and Elizabeth Warren

Not even close. This is a serious mistake on her part, I think.

[floriduck]

30. Possibly so in this election cycle. But there will be many more like her in the cycles to come. So

better get used to it. Clinton looks like a dinosaur to the candidates coming up through the ranks.

[floriduck]

38. Possibly so in this election cycle. But there will be many more like her in the cycles to come. So

better get used to it. Clinton looks like a dinosaur to the candidates coming up through the ranks.

[grossproffit]

20. Bernie doesn't seem to be in any hurry to rein her in either.

[geek tragedy]

37. it isn't Bernie's job to rein anyone in, he's doing the right thing now nt

[boston bean]

44. That is just not so. He has an absolute responsibility to rein in his campaign staff.

Sorry, but I 100% disagree with you on this.

[geek tragedy]

49. she's not staff, she's a voluntary supporter

his own staff tossed him under the bus for the Politico piece, so not clear that he can rein his staffers in.

[JonLeibowitz]

60. There is no evidence that that was any more than one anonymous staffer.

But you do you.

[appalachiablue]

230. "Bring her to heel'..you know.

[grossproffit]

236. How'd that work out for y'all?

[disillusioned73]

21. Truth.. all points

Last edited Fri Jun 10, 2016, 11:54 AM - Edit history (1)

"“They’re gonna attack me for saying this, but I’m a truth-teller at this point,” Turner said."

clarification; not this part - "bitterly slams", any and all valid criticisms are painted as "bitter" & "angry"

[LanternWaste]

61. Self-fulfilling prophecies are wonderfully validating.

Self-fulfilling prophecies are wonderfully validating.

[Skwmom]

28. She is correct. Thank God someone has the guts to speak the truth.

[sufrommich]

33. She's a sore loser lashing out at a liberal giant.

Elizabeth Warren will still be going strong long after Nina Turner slinks back to obscurity.

[Skwmom]

41. Always these trite phases when people speak the truth.

[alcibiades_mystery]

160. "Speak the truth" is itself a trite phrase

"Truth to power," "truth-teller," "telling it like it is" and other stupid little cliches. Notably, they're the same dumb shit a Trump says about himself - clear evidence for how the left is always outflanked and beaten by right wing rhetoric. God, how juvenile and annoying is somebody who says "I know this will be controversial, but I'm just a truth teller, you know?" PUKE. It's everybody's worst passive aggressive uncle spewing bullshit at the barbecue.

[redstateblues]

190. Bingo! Nailed it.

[AgadorSparticus]

244. THAT'S exactly what it is: passive aggressive! I couldn't put my finger on it. Thanks!

[peace13]

39. Thanks for this.

The depth of thought around here is frighteningly shallow. You are spot on!

[MelissaB]

47. Agree 100%.

[RandySF]

29. Nina who?

Sounds angry that her free ride is over. Back to obscurity she goes.

[Silver_Witch]

32. Exaggerate much?

Bitter really. Truth is not bitter. Truth is not attack. Truth is simply truth and Nina Turner is just stating truth. She did not "attack" Warren and it is perfectly okay to be "disappointed". Many are!

[sufrommich]

35. It's no exaggeration,it's pure unadulterated bitterness.nt

[peace13]

45. Thank god you got to use bitter on a woman .

For a while there you only had Bernie to paint with the bitter brush. Bitter, bitter, bitter bitter, but do you know who is really bitter? Hill. Because she didn't think she needed to fight a real primary in order to named president! Bitter is not a word that I would use on Turner or Sanders. Committed or right minded, I can go with that!

[Lil Missy]

193. She sure acts bitter. And why are women immune to being bitter??

Are you trying to paint bitterness with a sexist brush now?

BITTER:


1. having a harsh, disagreeably acrid taste, like that of aspirin, quinine, wormwood, or aloes.


2. producing one of the four basic taste sensations; not sour, sweet, or salt.


3. hard to bear; grievous; distressful:
a bitter sorrow.


4. causing pain; piercing; stinging:
a bitter chill.


5. characterized by intense antagonism or hostility:
bitter hatred.


6. hard to admit or accept:
a bitter lesson.


7. resentful or cynical:
bitter words.

[peace13]

197. This is hysterical! Six months ago it was deemed that bitter was a sexist term not to be used...

...on Hill! I have truly lived long enough. Thank you!

[Lil Missy]

207. Got a link?

[LanternWaste]

64. You appear to be conflating 'truth' and 'simply her opinion.'

You appear to be conflating 'truth' and 'simply her opinion.' Bias can do that-- part of the human condition.

[Lord Magus]

178. Truth is also not what Nina Turner is speaking. -nt-

[Mike Nelson]

36. Can someone explain...

...now "burning bridges" works, to Nina?

[Stallion]

74. No because Everybody Already Crossed the Bridge and Nina is on the Other Side and Can't Swim

nm

[CrowCityDem]

40. Anyone mad at someone who stayed neutral is bitter, petty, and thinking like Trump.

[valerief]

43. That's what I said yesterday. FFS, Trump is low-hanging fruit. Who wouldn't attack him?

Now, attacking the warhawk policies of our govt is another story. That would get my applause.

BTW, Warren is my senator and I voted for her and will again. But it's simply no great feat to diss Trump. EVERY Dem should be doing that. Just like EVERY Dem should condemn institutionalized racism, militarized police, gun violence, offshoring of jobs, economic inequality, erosion of education, and our propaganda-only mainstream "news."

Turner is fantastic!

[CrowCityDem]

86. She's a political cannibal, eating her own for no discernible reason.

[Bluenorthwest]

117. Wow.

I have to exit this thread and shower.

[CrowCityDem]

127. Tell me; what did Warren do to deserve any attack from Bernie's side?

[DJ13]

210. what did Warren do to deserve any attack from Bernie's side?

Nothing.

Which is precisely the point.

[NorthCarolina]

48. Actually, I think she is probably correct. -nt-

[MoonRiver]

50. Oh so predictable.

[BobbyDrake]

53. "Nina Turner, bitterly." You could have just stopped there and still been accurate.

She seems intent on making it a real challenge to support her at any point in the future.

[BeyondGeography]

54. She's a half-truth teller

Warren extended her takedown of Trump last night to the entire GOP in an incredibly powerful and effective way. From the standpoint of drawing distinctions between the parties, it was much better than anything Bernie said in a year's worth of campaigning.

[Surya Gayatri]

85. Turner's gratuitous trashing of Warren after that masterful speech tying Trump to the GOP

shows just what an amateur piker she is. Totally out of her league.

Sanders can only look on in envy, wishing he was capable of giving that speech.

[BeyondGeography]

120. Tout à fait

[Surya Gayatri]

122. Sans équivoque !

[Beowulf]

56. Policy-wise I'm an enthusiastic supporter

Politically, she's been very timid this primary season. Given the circumstances, staying neutral during the primary was just as helpful to Hillary as her endorsement would have been. I think Turner is stating the obvious and the vitriol from Clinton supporters towards her is just one more example of the seething hatred they have for anyone who dared to challenge the self annoyed one.

And Turner is not saying Warren should be attacking Hillary. Get real.

[Blue_Adept]

72. There are a few Bernie supporters that are less than pleased with her as well

As a Bernie supporter and a Warren supporter, I preferred that she stayed out of it to let the two main personalities themselves engage in the primary.

[CrowCityDem]

88. Obvious? She's saying Bernie was ENTITLED to Warren's endorsement. That's pure bs.

[Beowulf]

100. I don't read her that way.

And it's rich for a Hillary supporter to accuse a Bernie supporter of entitlement. And what's with the "angry black woman trope?"

[CrowCityDem]

129. The only way you can be angry at neutrality is if you feel they were SUPPOSED to be with you.

[Waiting For Everyman]

57. She's right, and that is how Sanders' supporters feel.

Who knows how many, but most from what I can tell.

I don't trust Warren much more than Hillary, if at all. Is Warren going to take back her criticism of Hillary flipflopping on the banckruptcy bill now? Now it's ok? All of a sudden it's aright because Trump is a boogie man? That's a little too convenient for me. He "just happened" to have Bill urge him to run. He "just happens" to drive voters to Hillary, and he "just happens" to provide an excuse for suspending ethics. I'll say again, how convenient!

I'm not buying any of it.

I see this as a trap for Bernie, and I hope he doesn't fall into it. Everybody who defends HRC is going to be tainted with her crimes when they come to light. The rest of them don't have much character to lose as it is, but Bernie does.

Nina Turner is right. Nina Turner is an excellent judge of character.

[Demsrule86]

156. No Nina is foolish

If she cared about any of the issues she would not use words that can only help Trump and hurt Hillary...and the same goes for you. What do you hope to accomplish by this bitter hatred? If you tell me Trump would not be the worst thing to happen to this country in anyone's lifetime...I will be forced to consider you a person who is blinded to the truth by bitterness and hate.

[Waiting For Everyman]

200. I don't think you know what Sanders supporters think.

That is the point in discussion. It's what Nina was talking about.

I think she's an expert on that subject. I think I'm an expert on that subject. I think other Sanders supporters are experts on that subject. But you, and most of the other posters in this thread, are NOT experts on this subject.

It's not for you to say what we think and how we feel, in precedence over what we say about it ourselves! I can't imagine what could possibly be more presumptuous than that.

And you have no business characterizing my state of mind. Expound on your own.

[GulfCoast66]

226. My dad taught me a valuable lesson...

An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less... Until they eventually know everything about nothing.

Especially if they call themselves one.

Have a nice evening.

[Waiting For Everyman]

246. A post can be read one of two ways:

with an intention to get the point, or with an intention to not get the point. I think the latter is a waste of time.

[Juicy_Bellows]

169. I agree.

I would have more respect if she endorsed either candidate earlier. Waiting on the sidelines and then backing the sure thing is well, weak sauce.

[hamsterjill]

58. This slam simply wasn't necessary.

The fact that Nina Turner chose to say that about Elizabeth Warren shows the ineptitude of Bernie's campaign. Why burn bridges at this point?

Very petty comments. Very petty.

[DCBob]

59. The is getting to be like the French Revolution..

The "revolution" has spun out of control and is beginning to devour itself.

[sheshe2]

62. Warren stayed neutral.

Turner said she and other Sanders supporters were disappointed that Warren, as one of the most high-profile progressive lawmakers, didn’t campaign for the Democratic challenger.

And Nina, Hillary was the Democratic challenger as well.

[still_one]

63. Nina, Warren didn't endorse any Democratic candidate for the nomination. No one

"owned" her endorsement.

I wonder what Nina Turner is going to say when Bernie jumps on board and endorses Hillary?

[ecstatic]

71. Warren wouldn't have swayed any HRC voters to Bernie. That's what Nina

and other bitter Bernie supporters fail to understand.

Nina is sounding more and more unhinged lately. What part of "You lost. Badly..." is so difficult to understand? They keep bringing up 2008... 2008 was nearly a tie in popular vote and pledged delegates. 2016 is not--Bernie got his ass kicked! He lost the popular vote by over 3.7 million votes!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

78. I suspect she was torn between Hillary's tenacity and Bernie's stance on some issues...

I watched her on MSNBC with Rachel and what I took away was how in awe of Hillary's tenacity and persistence she is as am I

[Tarc]

79. I think Nina was counting on being Bernie's VP

WHOOPS!

[Surya Gayatri]

94. Or, his press secretary? Yikes!

[Nonhlanhla]

81. What makes her think that Bernie was entitled to Warren's endorsement? nt.

[yurbud]

83. Warren was/is being strategic, just as Bernie was when he ran as a Dem instead of independent

[Hiraeth]

242. Agree. There has to be a strategy. Plan A. Plan B.

[Renew Deal]

89. Nine Turner: Dead Ender

[randome]

92. Did ANYONE in Congress campaign for Sanders? He had one -count it, ONE- Senate endorsement.

Face facts. For whatever reason, rightly or wrongly, Sanders is not well-liked among his colleagues. Oh, he's likable enough on an abstract level but when it comes to the personal...
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[Surya Gayatri]

95. "Does NOT play well with others..."

[Ned_Devine]

185. Right. Senate "Democrats" roll their eyes at him because he refuses to deal with lobbyists

What a dick, right? They roll their eyes when he goes on one of his tirades about helping the poor and creating universal health care and college. What a loon, amiright? Oh, but they need him to caucus with them to pass some watered down shitty bill? "He's a great Senate colleague." Bullshit artists all of them.

[randome]

189. Sometimes it's simply how you come across that turns people off.

99.9% of us agree that we need to fund infrastructure, spend less on military, increase the minimum wage, expand Social Security, ensure women and minority rights, etc.

But the only way we will make progress is by working as a team, not by sitting on the floor listening to a guru lecture us. I sometimes think Sanders comes across like that to his colleagues, but that's just a guess on my part.

It should only be the message, not how it's delivered, but humans don't always act without emotion.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[TwilightZone]

93. It wasn't Warren's job to prop up Bernie Sanders.

These people really need to get over themselves.

[One of the 99]

96. "I’m a truth-teller"

All demagogues claim they are truth-tellers. Trump does.

[workinclasszero]

97. Bitter dead ender

[tonyt53]

98. "Former" says it all. People evidently don't care for her.

[Gothmog]

101. Senator Warren is going under the bus

[yellowcanine]

102. Meh. Telling someone else who they HAVE to endorse/campaign for. Not cool.

Spite, not truth telling.

[MrWendel]

104. I guess...

it's an understandable reaction for someone with VP ambitions to see it go up in smoke. I'd give it a few weeks for her temper tantrum to play out.

[NCTraveler]

110. This shows a great lack of intelligence.

“You don’t get any brownie points from me and other progressives for getting into a Twitter war with Mr. Donald Trump. That’s easy. But when the fight was hard for Sen. Bernie Sanders, where was Sen. Warren?”

Didn't Warren make many positive comments about Sanders throughout the primaries?

[beachbum bob]

126. tina "truth teller" must never have researched bernie sanders history...probably wouldn't

help her view of the "truth"

[onenote]

130. I don't get Turner at all. I don't care that she switched from Clinton to Sanders

But I don't get the bitterness. Her views about Clinton weren't that negative, she just liked Sanders more.
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2015/11/nina_turner_changes_her_mind_o.html

And if anyone should understand that simply being the most progressive voice in a campaign doesn't mean you're the strongest candidate its should be Turner, who ran for Secretary of State in Ohio in 2014 and was clobbered by John Husted (a slimeball) by a 60 to 36 margin.

[oasis]

131. Nina Turner, the so-called "national treasure" is through. nt

[ismnotwasm]

132. That's very sad, you know?

It's so inconceivable that Warren prefers Hillary? Or, That by not endorsing anyone, she was giving Sanders all the strategic support she wanted to?

Those of us who followed the numbers knew the primary was decided a while back. I didn't think Sanders needed to drop out, but I knew Hillary was going to win. I had no fear about that--a lot of frustration--but no fear. Warren, who has a lot more information than I do, knew this as well. She shouldn't be chastised for wanting to defeat Republicans

[OilemFirchen]

133. It's very hard to take Ms. Turner seriously.

After all, she, herself, waited until late in the primary to endorse Sanders - having been an avid Clinton supporter previously. Her new-found contempt for Clinton and, more so, for Warren is embarrassingly self-serving. Turner's only notable contribution since late last year has been to give birth to and accelerate her own irrelevancy.

[TSIAS]

176. She endorsed in November 2015

Months before the voting even started. She's not some Johnny come lately.

[yardwork]

137. Turner attacked Obama yesterday. Not sure what this accomplishes.

[Lord Magus]

139. A person who has to declare "I'm a truth-teller" usually isn't. -nt-

[brooklynite]

140. Nina Turner has a choice...

(nb - I supported her campaign for Sec State in 2014 and have met with her twice)

She can drop the whining and have a future in Ohio politics...

Or, she cna stay a Berniecrat and disappear from people's radar.

[okieinpain]

141. pretty stupid on mrs. turners part. she will end up regretting that n/t.

[Lazy Daisy]

146. Nothing bitter said

And there was no slam. It is a statement of fact. Elizabeth Warren did not support Bernie.
I understand why she didn't, and on some points agree it was best she stay out of the fight.
I also understand why she just now gave her support to Hillary and agree it's what's best for Democrats fight to come.
But what Nina stated is the truth.


This constant whipping of Nina Turner is pathetic and wonder if she wasn't a black woman would you all be so venomous towards her? Is it because she's black and going against the majority of AA or because she's a woman and not supporting the female candidate?

Nina you're fantastic, don't let the harpies get you down.

[CrowCityDem]

153. The slam was implying Warren was being weak by not endorsing Bernie, as though she owed it to him.

[Beacool]

167. Why was Liz Warren obligated to campaign for Sanders?

I think that she liked both candidates and decided to stay neutral until the nominee was chosen. If the reverse had occurred, and Sanders had won the nomination, I don't think that any of Hillary's surrogates would have criticized Liz if she had endorsed him.

[mmonk]

147. If you can't walk away for truth, you can't stand for truth.

[JCMach1]

148. Will she bitterly slam Sanders next week too when he endorses HRC?

I think Sanders is next in line to be thrown under the bus.

[Peacetrain]

168. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[pandr32]

151. Why would she have campained for Bernie?

Nina assumes a whole lot here and ignores much. For starters, Sen. Warren urged Hillary Clinton to run, not Bernie, and since when does Bernie own progress? The fact that Warren did not endorse Bernie, even after sustained heavy pressure speaks volumes.

[tallahasseedem]

155. She's a FORMER State Senator

and a FAILED candidate for Secretary of State. We are supposed to care...why?

[TSIAS]

175. Hillary was a FAILED presidential candidate

Back in 2008. Just because one loses an election doesn't make their opinions irrelevant.

[tallahasseedem]

181. There's a difference between failed presidential candidate

and failed state secretary. The fact that you equate the two is sad.

[anotherproletariat]

157. Turner may be technically right, but Warren likely saw the writing

on the wall and knew her influence would be diminished by backing the loser.

[Beacool]

162. Warren remained neutral, why was she obligated to campaign for Sanders?

Turner just sounds bitter.

[Ned_Devine]

177. Thank you Nina Turner. I couldn't have said it better

[MFM008]

179. I would support whoever HRC puts on the ticket

Sanders, Warren even Turner.
This is about Donald Trump or ANY and I say ANY republican the gop wants to throw at us.
They are pretty much all in the same sinking boat.



SALUTE THE GOP^^^^^

[udbcrzy2]

182. Nina Turner has passion and is not afraid to speak the truth

I have great respect for her. All of the negatives I hear about Trump could actually be said of the other opponent. Funny how that is working out.

[timlot]

184. Nina Turner is still mad Bill Clinton didn't mention her at an Ohio state dinner...Very bitter lady.

She was all ready to join "Ready for Hillary" and campaign for her, but Bill Clinton neglected to mention her name so now she all scorn.

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[Aerows]

192. Judging from the attitude that has permeated this board today

I have come to the conclusion that it is neither liberal nor democratic lately.

Go ahead and use it as a self-affirming "sounding-board".

When the lights go out, you can yell at the sun you see no more.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

196. Grow up, Nina

We all make choices as members of a party. You made yours, she made hers. When it's over you don't get to shame people for it.

[MirrorAshes]

198. She always seemed way too zealous to take seriously

We're electing a president here, not a messiah.

[appalachiablue]

231. Messiah, where?

[Hiraeth]

243. that gif ... lol

[Hiraeth]

266. omg

[appalachiablue]

272. Priceless innit. Wonder if Angela Merkel, Indira Gandhi or Maggie Thatcher

reacted like this. Doubt it. Whoa Nelly, Feel the Power! Payback time & final fulfillment? For what is anyone's guess.

[laserhaas]

201. Warren endorsing Bernie would have been a game changer

Giving U.S. a real...perfect...female POTUS

and 16 years of similar...progressive... policy changes

[Kall]

204. She's right.

Do you have any idea how ridiculous it was to watch Elizabeth Warren rail against the evils of Wall Street, big donors & SuperPACs yesterday when she endorsed Hillary Clinton after her months-long silence? Sure missed the moment there.

[valerief]

206. Turner is right. Trump-bashing is low-hanging fruit. Easy pickings. nt

[Ned_Devine]

208. Totally

And the constant barrage on him is going to make him the sympathetic figure to his voters and many others. Dems feel like they're being muscular with all of their bluster but it will likely serve to be the proverbial gun shot in the foot for them.

[Gman]

212. Some Sanders supporters believe the Sanders base is monolithic

And it is by no means so united. When it's all done, upwards of 85% will support Hillary. But perceptions and group think are thick.

[jaceaf]

213. Maybe Warren has always preferred Clinton

I don't think this is an impossible thought. Sanders isn't actually well liked by senators.

[Hiraeth]

239. She sure waited long enough to endorse. Although, I hear she agrees with a lot of HRC's foreign

policies and is for TPP with a few adjustments ...

[TwilightZone]

254. Warren encouraged Clinton to run.

It would seem pretty clear.

[sarae]

217. Nina who?

[aikoaiko]

218. not really a bitter slam but ymmv

sounded like a measured and reasonable critique given the hyperbolic love-fest of this week.

[StevieM]

221. Maybe Senator Warren just didn't think that Bernie had earned her endorsement.

That doesn't mean that she hates him or that she doesn't agree with him on some issues.

Elizabeth Warren has earned the respect that she holds. And I have no doubt that she will be an outstanding surrogate for Secretary Clinton, just as she would have been for Senator Sanders if he had been our nominee.

[Hiraeth]

245. and It sure took Hillary long enough to earn it.

about a day late and a dollar short. all three of them, imo.

[TwilightZone]

255. Warren understands that a united front behind the presumptive nominee is more important than a temp

bump in a primary that's effectively been over for months.

This isn't that complicated.

[Hiraeth]

263. temp bump = lol

this isn't that complicated = another lol.

40 something years to disintegrate to this point is not that complicated.

[TwilightZone]

264. You think endorsements in the primary mean anything to anyone?

There is no doubt that Warren's decision to wait and then hammer the hell out of Trump will pay significantly more dividends come November. If you can't see that, you might want to come out from under your shell.

I know this may come as a shock, but some Democrats actually want the Democratic nominee to win the presidency.

Don't look now, genius, but you're the one living in the Twilight Zone.

[Hiraeth]

265. odd followup reply. weird question. abort conversation. toodles.

[AgadorSparticus]

223. Wow. The level of delusion! What utter bullshit.

This Nina Turner woman oozes entitlement like she is 20. (Is she 20? I have no idea who she is. She could be 20 for all I know)

Since when is Sen. Warren obligated to support Bernie? Why is he entitled to her endorsement?

She did the right thing. She was neutral until it was a forgone conclusion. Duh. That was a no brainer.

Hillary is a colleague of hers too. You'd see that if you didn't have such blinders on.

Honestly, I hate this. I think this kind of delusion gives Bernie and his movement a bad name and I think there is much work to be done still.

[BainsBane]

234. So Turner prefers Trump

That's her prerogative, but she shouldn't expect any Democrats to give a shit what she things. I'm sure the GOP is happy to have her on board.

It is interesting to see how little democracy or policy matters to people like her. It's not exactly a surprise, given the eagerness to abandon any semblance of principle during the campaign. I happen to think hatred of the a politician and the majority of voters who supported her a pretty ugly worldview, but some people need to hate in order to feel better about themselves. Those are problems outside the purview of any politician.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

237. She's right

[senseandsensibility]

238. Bitterly is a loaded term,

and it is subjective and unwarranted. A woman speaks her mind against Hillary? A woman of color? The horror.

[Major Hogwash]

249. Go Nina Go!!

“They’re gonna attack me for saying this, but I’m a truth-teller at this point,” Turner said.

Right on, sister!

Let them attack you, it don't mean nothing!!

Just keep on keeping on!

[NorthCarolina]

260. I really like Nina Turner. She doesn't sugar-coat her thoughts. -nt-