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New TOS for remaining days of GD-P (Original Post) pat_k Jun 2016 OP
I tell you what. If I see any mention of hoping for Hillary to be indicted, Gomez163 Jun 2016 #1
+1 baldguy Jun 2016 #2
As I replied to Gomez163... pat_k Jun 2016 #7
"Democrats Will Learn All the Wrong Lessons From Brush With Bernie" baldguy Jun 2016 #13
Did you read the article? pat_k Jun 2016 #17
Case in point of the article cited in the OP Armstead Jun 2016 #18
Rolling Stone endorsed Clinton. Calm down Ash_F Jun 2016 #27
Case in point. The term "real democrat" is baiting anyone you disagree with swhisper1 Jun 2016 #68
There's a difference between not blindly following the DNC & seeking the destruction of the Party. baldguy Jun 2016 #69
christ, why do I bother- bye swhisper1 Jun 2016 #70
Real Democrats = People registered as democrats and..... Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #71
We are Democrats. We are tired of being silenced. Matt_R Jun 2016 #80
What about the ongoing investigation, without mentioning hope? floppyboo Jun 2016 #53
I don't see how that's related to the OP... pat_k Jun 2016 #3
As long as the FBI is investigating HRC, it is valid news and panader0 Jun 2016 #4
If you post right wing crap you will be alerted. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #6
You people are priceless! An FBI investigation is NOT "right wing crap" LOL panader0 Jun 2016 #9
It absolutely is. Go to Free Republic for that. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #10
So you're saying the FBI is right wing? FFS??? panader0 Jun 2016 #11
double standard lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #15
So, you're comparing sex scandals to a Benghazi-linked witchhunt? TwilightZone Jun 2016 #24
This doesn't have to do with Benghazi. Ash_F Jun 2016 #29
Yes, and what was the context? TwilightZone Jun 2016 #32
We also discussed Fast and Furious gunrunning scandal (Holder), Jesse Jackson Jr and his felony use Arazi Jun 2016 #34
Ah, yes, more false equivalence. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #35
Hmm, Snowden made his big reveal that the NSA was illegally wiretapping in May 2013 Arazi Jun 2016 #37
Maybe you missed when the majority of it happened. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #47
Way to ignore the point - we DO discuss Democratic scandals and investigations on DU Arazi Jun 2016 #48
What if it happens? Do we still pretend like it's not happening? Please advise. reformist2 Jun 2016 #39
Its made up crap. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #42
The FBI isn't RW crap. It's current events. pinebox Jun 2016 #40
OMG!!! Is this for real? An FBI investigation is RW??? floppyboo Jun 2016 #54
And these are the people who are going to run DU amuck libdem4life Jun 2016 #78
Actually, the FBI is known to be pretty right-leaning. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #82
yes it is Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #73
So you are another person who believes that the FBI is a right wing organization. panader0 Jun 2016 #75
Give it up. There is no "is" here ... just cute little one-liners. libdem4life Jun 2016 #81
Less than 90 days catnhatnh Jun 2016 #25
wow, so you write the rules now? swhisper1 Jun 2016 #67
No Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #28
Reporting the facts about an ongoing FBI investigation is not an attack. panader0 Jun 2016 #30
Reporting is one thing. Hoping for a candidate's downfall is another. pat_k Jun 2016 #36
That's what I said in post #4 panader0 Jun 2016 #38
Sorry. My bad. pat_k Jun 2016 #41
But the FBI is NOT investigating Hillary leftofcool Jun 2016 #51
Not unless and until there is actual news. Repeating RW rumor and innuendo isn't news. nt pnwmom Jun 2016 #58
I'll tell you what. If I see signature line photos like the one below after the 16th... Miles Archer Jun 2016 #44
Of course, a display of "smugness redoubled"... pat_k Jun 2016 #46
No, that photo will most certainly be a violation after the 16th. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #61
I agreed that the photo was a violation. pat_k Jun 2016 #66
pat_k Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #74
Looks aok to me. pat_k Jun 2016 #84
As you should! And I am a bernie fan, but Trump is the enemy now. nt Logical Jun 2016 #55
What if you see reports of calling for drone strikes from her cell phone... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #65
Ditto MaggieD Jun 2016 #72
Ok, you're asking for no displays of smugness. brush Jun 2016 #5
As I have said... pat_k Jun 2016 #8
Is there communication going on to continue? brush Jun 2016 #14
Hope it transforms into something like... pat_k Jun 2016 #16
Why not start with getting people registered to vote? FSogol Jun 2016 #19
Many of the supporters doing that will continue. pat_k Jun 2016 #21
No, start, not continue. If you look at his campaign from a FSogol Jun 2016 #23
Great idea, concentrate on women and POC Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #76
I'm impressed...thank you for that. Totally agree. libdem4life Jun 2016 #83
Good ol' Matt Taibbi wyldwolf Jun 2016 #12
This is truer than any of you want to admit Armstead Jun 2016 #20
no, just more left-wing blathering wyldwolf Jun 2016 #22
Just ignoring things is CONsplainin' Armstead Jun 2016 #43
She could just fess up and come clean. We'd probably forgive her and libdem4life Jun 2016 #79
Taibbi is the best political and economic writer in the U.S. BernieforPres2016 Jun 2016 #26
Will "General Discussion: Primary" get renamed to "General Discussion: General"? :-D TheBlackAdder Jun 2016 #31
No. GDPee goes to the trash pile. leftofcool Jun 2016 #52
General Discussion: Hillary adulation??? pdsimdars Jun 2016 #62
Thank **** for Matt Taibi. Kentonio Jun 2016 #33
I read "HST" as Hele Thomas ... MisterP Jun 2016 #49
That would make for a slightly different intepretation I imagine.. Kentonio Jun 2016 #60
we need the Thomases and the Thompsons: at least we have the Sirotas MisterP Jun 2016 #64
Skinner will be surprised to learn The Rolling Stone now owns DU Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #45
Once the right-wing attacks stop.... Skid Rogue Jun 2016 #50
EW? pat_k Jun 2016 #56
:) Skid Rogue Jun 2016 #57
Of course! Sorry, I'm a little dense today. pat_k Jun 2016 #59
"This inability to grasp that the problem is bigger than Bernie Sanders is a huge red flag." LWolf Jun 2016 #63
I think RS is missing the point all together Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #77
 

Gomez163

(2,039 posts)
1. I tell you what. If I see any mention of hoping for Hillary to be indicted,
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:00 PM
Jun 2016

I will call it out and probably alert on it.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
7. As I replied to Gomez163...
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jun 2016

I don't see how that's related to OP, but sounds like a fine plan to me.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
13. "Democrats Will Learn All the Wrong Lessons From Brush With Bernie"
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jun 2016

The title of the story you link to says it all. The "lesson" you apparently want Democrats to learn is that RW propaganda & RW attacks meant to undermine & destroy Democrats are valid and proper sources of information.

Thankfully, real Democrats are waking up & seeing that bullshit for what it is.

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
68. Case in point. The term "real democrat" is baiting anyone you disagree with
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:32 AM
Jun 2016

Not all on DU blindly follow the DNC. This is a forum for 3rdwayers and progressives and liberals and old democrats. Linking to a story or article does not infer the poster believes it, it means the poster noticed it and brings it to the attention of democrats.

You cannot alert on a link to the story unless the posters own words offend.

Hopefully, Skinner has come to know who is alert happy and will make appropriate changes. All these threats about alerting is really tiresome and does not reflect well on those who waste jurors time.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
69. There's a difference between not blindly following the DNC & seeking the destruction of the Party.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:55 AM
Jun 2016

People who knowingly & repeatedly spread RW lies & propaganda, or share the goals of the GOP (which the OP and several here have stated support for), are definitely in the latter camp and are NOT real Democrats.

Florencenj2point0

(435 posts)
71. Real Democrats = People registered as democrats and.....
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jun 2016

not trying to destroy the party from the inside out.

Why do WE bother?

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
53. What about the ongoing investigation, without mentioning hope?
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 11:17 PM
Jun 2016

Maybe I just choose the happy swirliy times to visit here, but I haven't read ONE post of any hoping for an indictment.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
4. As long as the FBI is investigating HRC, it is valid news and
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:07 PM
Jun 2016

can be posted. "hoping" for indictment will be over the new line, but not actual
reporting on a real issue. I see many alerts in your future.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
11. So you're saying the FBI is right wing? FFS???
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jun 2016

The FBI director was appointed by Obama. Is he right wing now too?

lapfog_1

(29,194 posts)
15. double standard
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:28 PM
Jun 2016

Elliot Spitzer, Anthony Wiener, John Edwards...

All of the news stories about the scandals involving these (D)emocrats were allowed here in DU... including a number of postings where people trashed them even before all the facts were known. Not defending these people, they deserved to be trashed.

Now you are claiming that Hillary is special... news stories that report FACTS that are negative on Hillary (and not from RW sites) are going to be alerted on and banned?

If that happens, I won't be here anymore.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
29. This doesn't have to do with Benghazi.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:21 PM
Jun 2016

It was Obama's State Department that referred the FBI. Not a Republican Congressman.

TwilightZone

(25,451 posts)
32. Yes, and what was the context?
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jun 2016

The State Department began looking into it while reviewing documents requested by the House Select Committee on Benghazi.

Claiming it has nothing to do with Benghazi is ludicrous.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
34. We also discussed Fast and Furious gunrunning scandal (Holder), Jesse Jackson Jr and his felony use
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jun 2016

of campaign funds (now in jail), the illegal NSA wiretapping, William Jefferson and his $90k of freezer cash (bribe $$) etc etc etc

The bottom line is we did and do talk about Dem scandals and investigations here all the time.

TwilightZone

(25,451 posts)
35. Ah, yes, more false equivalence.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:48 PM
Jun 2016

How is the NSA wiretapping a "Dem scandal", by the way? Who was the president then?

I'll give you a hint. The primary years were 2001-2007.

Don't look now, but your motives are showing.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
37. Hmm, Snowden made his big reveal that the NSA was illegally wiretapping in May 2013
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:54 PM
Jun 2016

Maybe you've missed the discussions here @ Obama's administration's complicity

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
48. Way to ignore the point - we DO discuss Democratic scandals and investigations on DU
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 06:41 PM
Jun 2016

Furthermore Obama's administration did participate in illegal surveillance. Oh and thanks for the personal insult. What's Hillary supporters favorite line? Only 6 more days

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
54. OMG!!! Is this for real? An FBI investigation is RW???
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 11:22 PM
Jun 2016

Where are you getting your news Gomez? I am very afraid.

Florencenj2point0

(435 posts)
73. yes it is
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jun 2016

the only people who believe that crap are the right wing nut jobs and you guys. It is getting hard to tell the difference anymore.

#FullTinSuit

panader0

(25,816 posts)
75. So you are another person who believes that the FBI is a right wing organization.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jun 2016

Wow...
They wouldn't be investigating if they didn't think something was there. They wouldn't have offered
immunity to Pagliano--they wouldn't have extradited Guccifer.
The only people who believe the crap you are spewing are the ones with their heads buried
in the sand.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
81. Give it up. There is no "is" here ... just cute little one-liners.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:34 PM
Jun 2016

I'll decline to state the intellectual age of these kind of retorts and "in your face" shit. That's all they got, and why I don't ignore anyone. Starting to become slightly comical, in a gallows humor way.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
25. Less than 90 days
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jun 2016

no donor star
14 hides


Yeah-you're the guy to bring civility back to this board...

Good Luck Skinner.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
30. Reporting the facts about an ongoing FBI investigation is not an attack.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:25 PM
Jun 2016

Good luck on the 16th--I seriously doubt if the FBI will be done by then.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
36. Reporting is one thing. Hoping for a candidate's downfall is another.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:50 PM
Jun 2016

I don't see how reporting events related to the investigation, or speculating/debating about likelihood of an indictment in light of the event, would violate terms of service. Reveling in bad news and expressing hope for an indictment is another.

I think the latter constitutes a violation (could be wrong, but that's the judgement I would make if called on to judge such post). This goes for any events that are bad news for any Democratic candidate.

Some may consider the distinction a fine line, but it really isn't. Simply reporting bad news does not mean the poster is delighted with the news. Absent a specific expression of delight or hope or the candidate's downfall, I would judge a post reporting bad news to be fine.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
44. I'll tell you what. If I see signature line photos like the one below after the 16th...
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jun 2016

...I will call it out and probably alert on it. This was in the sig line of someone who responded to one of my threads yesterday.

Clinton bashing ends on the 16th, the same day Sanders bashing ends. I hope some of your calling out and alerting agenda includes all TOS violations.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
46. Of course, a display of "smugness redoubled"...
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 06:30 PM
Jun 2016

... doesn't actually qualify as a violation under any interpretation of the new terms of service (unless it is so extreme as to fall into the category of "baiting&quot . The OP is just my way to advocate for a reduction in the number of "smug" and "we won so shut up" type posts, and an increase the number that reflect an appreciation for the lessons to be learned from the amazing success of the Sanders campaign against incredible odds -- lessons our party needs to learn if we want to become a truly effective force for meaningful change.

My chance of serving on juries will remain at 100% under the new rules. I always do my best to objectively apply the primary season terms of service to the posts I'm called on to judge. And when we shift to GE terms, I will do the same. To that end, I will definitely be voting to hide posts that have a signature line that violates the terms.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
61. No, that photo will most certainly be a violation after the 16th.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:23 AM
Jun 2016

All of the chest-thumping "new sheriff in town" bravado about "And if I see this, I shall not hesitate for ONE MOMENT to hit alert" swaggering is just precious. So very precious.

But the attacks on Sanders and his supporters end on the 16th, per Skinner, and if that photo's still up on the 16th, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Read what Skinner wrote below. Yes, "Hillary bashing" ends on the 16th, but open season on Bernie Sanders and his supporters also grinds to a halt on the same day.

No divisive group attacks
Do not smear, insult, vilify, bait, maliciously caricature, or give disrespectful nicknames to any groups of people that are part of the Democratic coalition, or that hold viewpoints commonly held by Democrats, or that support particular Democratic public figures. Do not imply that they are fake Democrats, fake progressives, conservatives, right-wingers, Republicans, or the like.

Don't bash Democratic public figures
Do not post disrespectful nicknames, insults, or highly inflammatory attacks against any Democratic public figures. Do not post anything that could be construed as bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for any Democratic general election candidate, and do not compare any Democratic general election candidate unfavorably to their general election opponent(s).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1013&pid=6548


AND

I think a lot of people have the wrong idea, and are going to be disappointed.

We have no intention of purging anyone, and we have no intention of disallowing good-faith discussion of the issues. I think most people are going to be fine with that. But there are going to be a a few people (including both Hillary and Bernie supporters) who are going to be disappointed because the massive crackdown they have been hoping for does not come to pass.

Most people think the big change coming in general election season is that people on this website will need to stop bashing Hillary Clinton. Yes, that's part of it -- but it's not the only thing and it's definitely not the most important thing. The really big change coming in general election season is that people on this website will need to stop bashing each other.

Throughout this primary season we have been in a death spiral of declining standards. So we are going to institute some rules, and we will expect everyone to follow those rules, and we will expect everyone to enforce those rules when they serve on juries. The rules shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone -- they are mostly common sense, and they are basically the same rules we had for years when we had moderators: No personal attacks, no broad-brush group attacks, no bigotry, no right-wing smears or sources against Democrats, no advocating for spoilers or republicans, no meta-discussion, etc.

I am just so tired of people bashing each other and bashing Democrats on this website. I know the hardcore partisans will try to paint this whole thing through the Hillary vs Bernie lens, and drive that wedge as hard as they can, but that is just so not where I am at right now. I don't care who anyone has supported in the primaries -- I really don't. As long as you treat your fellow DU members with respect, stop tearing down Democratic public figures (including Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders and everyone else), and don't advocate for Donald Trump or some lost-cause third-party spoiler candidate, then you'll be fine.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10135833

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
66. I agreed that the photo was a violation.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:31 AM
Jun 2016
"...I will definitely be voting to hide posts that have a signature line that violates the terms."

Florencenj2point0

(435 posts)
74. pat_k
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jun 2016

Will my sig line be toss-able after the 16th? I mean it to be humorous, so I left Bernie's name off. But I have a feeling some people still find it obnoxious.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
84. Looks aok to me.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:17 AM
Jun 2016

I'd certainly vote "leave it" if someone alerted (and would be incredibly surprised if someone did).

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
65. What if you see reports of calling for drone strikes from her cell phone...
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jun 2016

... unsecured through her server? Would that scratch your veneer?

brush

(53,758 posts)
5. Ok, you're asking for no displays of smugness.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:07 PM
Jun 2016

Well, you guys better carry this movement forward and not let it evaporate like Occupy did.

For Sanders' campaign to mean anything, since he didn't win, we expect a full-fledged progressive organization with structure (none of that no real hierarchy stuff that doomed Occupy) that works to get progressives elected in the 2018 mid-terms, locally, and beyond.

The fundraising structure is already in place so no excuses, pls.

Show us something and many of us may even get involved.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
8. As I have said...
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jun 2016
One of my fondest wishes is that, whether or not Bernie wins the nomination, people who have been inspired to take action by Bernie's campaign, will be inspired to continue the fight for what he stands for after the campaign is over.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511507143

brush

(53,758 posts)
14. Is there communication going on to continue?
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:26 PM
Jun 2016

Maybe not a convention but emails, plans for conferences to get structure established, regional officers, etc.?

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
16. Hope it transforms into something like...
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jun 2016

Dean's Democracy for America (but much more effective).

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
21. Many of the supporters doing that will continue.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:08 PM
Jun 2016

Action begets action. Hope is naturally renewed. In the process, you see others out there tackling problems that seem overwhelming... and winning. It's almost impossible to feel hopeless when you witness people in action first hand.

FSogol

(45,462 posts)
23. No, start, not continue. If you look at his campaign from a
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:12 PM
Jun 2016

"lessons learned" standpoint, that was the most major omission.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
83. I'm impressed...thank you for that. Totally agree.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jun 2016

Occupy didn't have a leader. Leaderless flights of fancy are just that. In our culture and society...if there is a buck, literally or figuratively, someone needs to be there to stop it.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
12. Good ol' Matt Taibbi
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jun 2016

Wonder how many horse sperm cream pies he's throwing these days. Still think he makes fun of the Pope's death?

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
20. This is truer than any of you want to admit
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:01 PM
Jun 2016
The ideal piece of legislation in almost every case is a Frankensteinian policy concoction that allows the sponsoring pol to keep as many big-money donors in the fold as possible without offending actual human voters to the point of a ballot revolt.

This dynamic is rarely explained to the public, but voters on both sides of the aisle have lately begun guessing at the truth, and spent most of the last year letting the parties know it in the primaries. People are sick of being thought of as faraway annoyances who only get whatever policy scraps are left over after pols have finished servicing the donors they hang out with at Redskins games.

Democratic voters tried to express these frustrations through the Sanders campaign, but the party leaders have been and probably will continue to be too dense to listen. Instead, they'll convince themselves that, as Hohmann's Post article put it, Hillary's latest victories mean any "pressure" they might have felt to change has now been "ameliorated."

The maddening thing about the Democrats is that they refuse to see how easy they could have it. If the party threw its weight behind a truly populist platform, if it stood behind unions and prosecuted Wall Street criminals and stopped taking giant gobs of cash from every crooked transnational bank and job-exporting manufacturer in the world, they would win every election season in a landslide.

This is especially the case now that the Republican Party has collapsed under the weight of its own nativist lunacy. It's exactly the moment when the Democrats should feel free to become a real party of ordinary working people.

But they won't do that, because they don't see what just happened this year as a message rising up from millions of voters.



Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/democrats-will-learn-all-the-wrong-lessons-from-brush-with-bernie-20160609#ixzz4BCUkBz1h
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
79. She could just fess up and come clean. We'd probably forgive her and
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:04 PM
Jun 2016

get behind her. She screwed up royally .. no question about that ... and expects us to be complicit in the coverup. This is once that it really is "all about her".

Of course I do agree with the article...it would have been easier just to start with Bernie...for many, many, many reasons.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
26. Taibbi is the best political and economic writer in the U.S.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:17 PM
Jun 2016

I think the one thing he could have added to this piece is that the DC Democrats aren't entirely clueless. They have learned that taking money from special interests not only funds their reelection campaigns, but leads to lucrative post political careers as lobbyists. See Gephardt, Daschle, etc.

Thanks for posting this.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
33. Thank **** for Matt Taibi.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:38 PM
Jun 2016

The only journalist in America big enough to fill the space HST left behind. Re-reading Fear and Loathing on the campaign trail recently was like a bucket of cold water to the face. The same damn issues, the same divisions in the party, not a damn thing has changed since '72 except that the rich are even more powerful, the media even more craven and the people have even less of a voice. If Eagleton happened to Hillary tomorrow, it'd barely register as a blip on the radar.

Maru Kitteh

(28,329 posts)
45. Skinner will be surprised to learn The Rolling Stone now owns DU
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jun 2016

Or did you buy DU? Did you buy the Rolling Stone and they bought DU? So confusing.

Skid Rogue

(711 posts)
50. Once the right-wing attacks stop....
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 11:06 PM
Jun 2016

the smugness will stop. However, if folks force us to defend the Democratic nominee, we will.

"No, seriously -- Delete your account."

EW is not just being an asshole. Yes, she's being smug as hell, but she's defending our nominee.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
63. "This inability to grasp that the problem is bigger than Bernie Sanders is a huge red flag."
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:11 AM
Jun 2016
As Thacker puts it, the theme of this election year was widespread anger toward both parties, and both the Trump craziness and the near-miss with Sanders should have served as a warning. "The Democrats should be worried they're next," he says.

But they're not worried. Behind the palace walls, nobody ever is.




Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/democrats-will-learn-all-the-wrong-lessons-from-brush-with-bernie-20160609#ixzz4BHfJWzQ1
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook

Florencenj2point0

(435 posts)
77. I think RS is missing the point all together
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:53 PM
Jun 2016

There was an article explaining why the WaPo article got it all wrong on why Bernie lost. I wish I could remember the name of it. It talked about not only did he promise to run an attack free campaign and go back on his promise, he went back on his promise. It said he was dismissive and disrespectful.
Oh well.

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