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reformist2

(9,841 posts)
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:06 AM Jun 2016

US News: 8.9 million voted in California Primary. So why is the vote count only 5.4 million???

First, here's the story on the 8.9 million people who voted:

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-06-10/86m-people-estimated-to-have-voted-in-ca-primary

Now, here's the latest vote totals: Only 3.8 million votes cast on the Dems side, and 1.6 million on the Repug side:

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/maps/president/party/democratic/

That's only 5.4 million votes. where did the 3.5 million other votes go???

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US News: 8.9 million voted in California Primary. So why is the vote count only 5.4 million??? (Original Post) reformist2 Jun 2016 OP
State issue races. nt justiceischeap Jun 2016 #1
Hillary hid them. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #2
Jerry Brown helped her. BootinUp Jun 2016 #19
They are still counting and more delegates to be awarded. Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #3
There were more races Hav Jun 2016 #4
2.4 million votes "still have to be certified"? That's a LOT of votes still not counted. reformist2 Jun 2016 #8
most votes cast in CA are by mail onenote Jun 2016 #14
True, we can all agree that it takes quite long Hav Jun 2016 #16
Seems like the starting place is number of ballots voted with Dem candidates. peace13 Jun 2016 #11
I don't know whether I understood you correctly Hav Jun 2016 #15
Maybe the other votes were from Independents who were too righteous to help select a President. randome Jun 2016 #5
Aren't you throwing out the vote of one of our fine DUers with this? NCTraveler Jun 2016 #6
I'm sure it happens, but I'd be surprised if more than 10% skipped the main attraction. reformist2 Jun 2016 #9
Where do you get the 10% from? NCTraveler Jun 2016 #12
So here's what's so frustrating about proportional allocation Recursion Jun 2016 #7
About 2/3 of those are vote-by-mail ballots, Alex Padilla reported. The previous polling indicated still_one Jun 2016 #10
2.5 not yet counted. 1 million in other presidential primaries and non-presidential primary voters onenote Jun 2016 #13
They were wiped. With a cloth. bigwillq Jun 2016 #17
A fair number still need to be counted. However, it's unlikely that they will overturn the result. Zynx Jun 2016 #18
No matter how many times the Alamo story is told MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #20
It probably wouldn't change the presidential primary winner, but could affect down ballot races. hedda_foil Jun 2016 #21

Hav

(5,969 posts)
4. There were more races
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:17 AM
Jun 2016

The original post forgot the Republican race at first but there were also other races with of course lower numbers.
You also ask what happened to the 3.5 million missing votes but the article also said that 2.4 have still to be certified and suddenly the number isn't that big anymore. Further, there were also those without party preference. If I remember correctly, an article concerning absentee ballots mentioned that not even 20% of those without party preference requested ballots for presidential primaries.

onenote

(42,694 posts)
14. most votes cast in CA are by mail
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:06 AM
Jun 2016

They can be counted if they're post marked by election day and received within three days thereafter.

Hard to count a vote until its received. And hard on poll workers to manage an in-person election and simultaneously count millions of mail ballots.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
16. True, we can all agree that it takes quite long
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:08 AM
Jun 2016

to count all the vote by mail votes for such a large state. I merely tried to answer your question where all the missing votes (more than 3 millions) are.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
11. Seems like the starting place is number of ballots voted with Dem candidates.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:01 AM
Jun 2016

The Rethugs have nothing to do with the ballot count for Bernie and Hill.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
15. I don't know whether I understood you correctly
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:06 AM
Jun 2016

But the OP mentioned the 8.9 million which is the estimated total number of votes cast. That number does include repubs, any other race, people who didn't participate at all in choosing a presidential nominee and votes that still have to be certified.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
5. Maybe the other votes were from Independents who were too righteous to help select a President.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:24 AM
Jun 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.
[/center][/font][hr]

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
6. Aren't you throwing out the vote of one of our fine DUers with this?
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:24 AM
Jun 2016

Didn't Nadine vote for issues and not for Presidential preference. This is not a hit on Nadine in any way. I'm using it more as a real world example.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
12. Where do you get the 10% from?
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:02 AM
Jun 2016

That is a sizable number. It's not like '08 when we had a lot of enthusiasm. Clinton garnered little enthusiasm on poll day and Sanders supporters showed even less.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
7. So here's what's so frustrating about proportional allocation
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:35 AM
Jun 2016

Honestly it doesn't really matter what happened to them: they're going to wind up roughly like the already-counted ballots are. There might be 1 or 2 delegate allocations that switch, but in the scheme of things it just doesn't matter.

Clinton received a much larger share of the vote in California than Sanders, and she will continue to receive a much larger share of the vote as these ballots are counted (conceivably it could tighten, but the uncounted ballots are mail-ins which heavily favor Clinton anyways, and in fact her lead has expanded since the state race was "called&quot .

If we want to go to a winner-take-all system (and I'm sympathetic to that, since it's how the Electoral College works) that would be different, but the state parties don't want to do that because it would make most candidates ignore most states.

still_one

(92,136 posts)
10. About 2/3 of those are vote-by-mail ballots, Alex Padilla reported. The previous polling indicated
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:01 AM
Jun 2016

that those voting by mail were favoring Hillary.

The vote by mail ballots will be counted if they arrive up to three days after the election. This was all made very clear in the voter pamphlet that was sent out to every registered voter

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
18. A fair number still need to be counted. However, it's unlikely that they will overturn the result.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:26 AM
Jun 2016

More likely that they'll confirm it.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
20. No matter how many times the Alamo story is told
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:46 AM
Jun 2016

In the end, like Sanders California campaign, it was a massacre. Nothing will change that even the few votes he might pick up.

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