2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum5 Ways Bernie's Pick for DNC Chair Is Right-Wing as Hell
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/analysis/5-Ways-Bernies-Pick-for-DNC-Chair-Is-Right-Wing-as-Hell-20160609-0025.htmlU.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders campaign aides say theyre looking to replace current Democratic National Committee chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz with Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard, Politico reported Tuesday.
Gabbard, the previous vice-chair of the committee, resigned from the position back in February in order to campaign for Sanders. Now Sanders appears interested in rewarding that loyalty, despite a record that upon closer examination is anything but progressive. Hailing from Maui, Hawaii, arguably the most progressive county in the United States, Tulsi is the daughter of Mike Gabbard, a Hawaii state senator and a former Republican who was mired in controversies in the 1990s for his anti-gay positions and policies.
It would appear the apple doesnt fall far from the tree. The congresswoman, while now echoing the Democratic Partys line on equality, sounded a different tone as a state lawmaker herself, referring to her father's critics as homosexual extremist supporters.
Her reactionary politics are manifested in more than just old comments. Last year she voted to bar war refugees from entering the United States at the same time she voiced support for the dictators and airstrikes that helped create them, breaking with her fellow Democrats to join the most far-right xenophobes in Congress.
That record is why author and Democratic Party activist Shay Chan Hodges has decided to run against Gabbard this year. Hodges argues that Gabbard simply isnt progressive enough to represent Maui. Here are five reasons why shes spot on.
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PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)But let's not let that spoil that fun of Hillary's disciples.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)He has no plans to ever participate in the Democratic Party policies and processes in any manner that doesn't suit him personally.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)several months ago and came away with a very poor impression, including that she is likely actually a social conservative, and very possibly amoral. She moved to Bernie's campaign after she soiled her own nest in the Democratic Party. Being able to play well with others when needed is a major requirement of success in politics.
Hillary would never have her.
Ashish
(6 posts)since she's been endorsed by Emily's List, Human Rights Campaign, Planned Parenthood,Equality Hawaii. In the latest poll, she had a 70%+ approval rating in Hawaii, which is more than any other politician in Hawaii.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)is where her longer history is.
brush
(53,743 posts)stepped down from the DNC.
It was a miscalculation. She won't get the chair position. Disloyalty will not be rewarded.
She's pretty conservative anyway, so I don't even get why Sanders, the progressive, is even thinking he can appoint her to anything. He didn't win. He doesn't get to make that appointment.
WTF?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)understand how he let him get so close. That's not just one typical degree of separation--the person linking them is part of his upper-level campaign.
brush
(53,743 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)crooked businessman Sheldon Adelson.
brush
(53,743 posts)Everyone on DU needs to know what you're hinting at.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)If we are all fortunate there will be a compromise pick to replace DWS. This way Sanders proposed a credible candidate (a former vice chair), and an agreement can be reached on some third party.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)in MA who would replace her
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)He has 70+% favorability -- highest of any US governor -- in one of the most liberal states in the country. He is broadly socially liberal and the trains are running on time in Massachuestts, easily one of the best managed states in the country with the best health care and social safety net and schools of any state. Massachusetts also elected Romney and Weld.
Not that this makes it any less likely he'd appoint a republican, but it would at least likely be a serious choice and not a creepy mouth breather. And I wouldn't put it past him to nominate an independent.
I don't believe he's endorsed for president yet either and I have a feeling he holds no brief with Trump.
Updated to add: Charlie Baker has come right out and said he will NOT vote for Trump or support him.
He's a damn smart republican. In one version of a genius move Hillary might consider him for VP. Especially if the Sanders refuseniks appear to be implacable and have any real numbers. Charlie Baker is an honorable and highly competent politician.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)Clinton is NOT Bush terms of power sharing, Bush gave so much power away to Cheney, Clinton is a control freak ad infinitum (for better or worse).
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)I am just defending Baker, who impressed me as presidential material we should fear in the future (but respect). I updated my comment above to note that he has explicitly come out AGAINST Trump.
He'd make an interesting dark horse VP for Hillary actually. He's pro-choice, anti-gun, law and order, and squeaky clean. If Clinton decided the far left is not worth chasing after (what I happen to think anyway) or numerous enough (or has nowhere else to go) Baker would be a strong draw for moderate and educated and professional class republican women she can also use to win Virginia, Ohio, North Carolina, Penn, and the broader Midwest Colorado too.
I hope he's on the list for the game where she goes with a bipartisan ticket, but it is very unlikely of course.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)POTUS gives him or her and works on whatever special projects he or she agreed to in accepting the position, in addition to many others that arise. Plus, of course, the VP is president of the Senate and has a deciding vote in event of ties.
Can you imagine Warren agreeing to spend 8 years having tea with spouses of world leaders and laying wreaths on graves? If she agreed, it would be to much more because she felt she could accomplish more that way.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)both temperamental alphas. I could easily see either one pissing the other off so badly that the atmosphere might become toxic. Maybe I am wrong.
What do you think of Biden for a "caretaker" term, then new blood steps in in 2020?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I think they're both very tough, disciplined professionals with a great deal in common who could work well together and separately.
Only generally speaking of course and I don't know if it would apply here, but women tend to work together very differently from men, far more cooperative and goal oriented, without diverting themselves from important issues to build personal empires, hoarding information to build power, etc.
Well, Biden's certainly very experienced now and seemingly well liked by everyone, but why on earth would the next president need a "caretaker" VP? The term itself is confusing, but whoever is chosen will be only the VP, with the power the Constitution and the president give him or her and not a bit more. After all, the VP doesn't even have a right to enter the White House without the president's invitation.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)Really? damn, the old axiom (learn something new most days) is true.
Has a POTUS ever refused a VP entrance?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)be from different parties and sometimes never speak, I'm guessing so. I believe FDR only met with Truman, chosen by party machinery, once and never once briefed him on anything at all, even though he must have known he didn't have much longer to live. Kept him totally outside, and they were from the same party and Truman liked by all who knew him.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)And that he's angry at Sherrod Brown (he's not.)
That article isn't a good source to build another article on.
jillan
(39,451 posts)This is full of lies!!
It's a lie about Tulsi.
It's a lie about Feingold, Bernie IS fundraising for him
And it's a lie about Bernie & Sherrod Brown
There are probably more lies, but I've seen enough.
msongs
(67,367 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Her links to Sheldon Adelson aren't a lie and she really did tweet out those absolute bullshit statements about America refusing to bomb ISIS and falsely claiming that Russia is bombing them.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)supports legislation to advance crooked Sheldon Adelson's gambling interests (she introduced it!), and how nice that Adelson hosted an event in which she accepted a "Champion of Freedom" award.
And much more. Progressive Punch gives her an F in her congressional record.
(Btw, how did Sanders let himself be associated with this person? Bad advice?)
Some people are both very good at self aggrandizement, elevating themselves very high, and yet can't help self destructing. Newt Gingrich and Tom (The Hammer) Delay are examples. They rose higher and lasted longer before self destructing than she has so far though. They were also both male, though, and, notably, worked from within their party's power structure.
Who Does Tulsi Gabbard Represent?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shay-chan-hodges/three-questions-about-tulsi_b_10212942.html
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)So the whole thing is entirely moot. But you're right: she's pretty awful.
Logical
(22,457 posts)PufPuf23
(8,756 posts)Many Democratic seats were lost under DWS.
DWS openly supported three GOP candidates over Democratic candidates in FLA.
DWS owns some of the bad vibe associated with the 2016 Democratic POTUS primary.
I do not understand how Hillary Clinton and POTUS Obama continue to support DWS aside from the crony part of partisan politics.
I do want a new chairperson of the DNC.
brooklynite
(94,384 posts)This dates from Tuesday. Gsbbard has already said she doesn't want the job.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)We need someone who thinks like him and takes the fight to the Republicans.
TonyPDX
(962 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)TonyPDX
(962 posts)RandySF
(58,513 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)No byline is given.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Tulsi Gabbard is right wing and a fucking homophobe. She comes from a right wing family of religious nuts and her dad is a right wing pol in Hawaii. The ONLY reason she ran as a Dem was because it's almost impossible to win federal office as a rethug in Hawaii.
So fricking glad Bernie got beat. Now I just wish he'd take a hint and go away.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)How nice ...
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AntiBank
(1,339 posts)I invite you to look at my posts I have made since I joined. Yes, I am very much to the left (I have lived in Sweden for a decade, and I actually am a democratic socialist, which is also the dominant party and policy form here for 90 years or so)), and I am opinionated, but I also am a registered Democrat in the US since 1984 (Raygun election, blääääää) plus more than capable of contributing rational, cogent thoughts and repartee on a myriad of subjects. I have lived in 8 countries, been to 94 (and counting, lol), and have perspectives that many do not have due to this.
I am not here to disrupt at all, and I assure you my number one goal atm is to keep that cretin thug Trump out of the POTUS.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and welcome to your noble #1 goal.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)and, if you subscribe to Dante's Inferno, a noble pagan who escaped hell
LOLOL
Mr Maru
(216 posts)I'm hoping this article is just full of crap and it's just his aides, not actually Bernie's idea. Why would he feel so entitled?
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)...shouldn't Hillary Clinton's equally (at least) toxic remarks about gay marriage do the same?
Oh, wait...what am I thinking? The rules are always different for Princess Weathervane, aren't they?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and she isn't getting the job anyway, so it's moot
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)LexVegas
(6,031 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Good enough for me.