2016 Postmortem
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Holy crap. The list of right wingers hankering for Hillary is sickening. Read the article for more of the sad details, unless you're hoping to get to sleep tonight. Brief bios of those neocons who sense the presumptive Democratic nominee is one of them can be found here.
https://www.salon.com/2016/06/10/another_neocon_endorses_clinton_calling_her_2016s_real_conservative_and_the_candidate_of_the_status_quo/
FRIDAY, JUN 10, 2016 02:30 PM EDT
Another neocon endorses Clinton, calling her 2016s real conservative and the candidate of the status quo
Neocon James Kirchick joins a slew of right-wing pundits who support war hawk Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump
BEN NORTON
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Clinton is the candidate of the status quo, something that conservatives, by definition, are supposed to uphold, Kirchick writes.
Hillary Clinton is the one person standing between America and the abyss, he says, seeing her as a mealymouthed centrist candidate with better conservative credentials than the alternatives.
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Kirchick is a hawkish pundit and fellow at Foreign Policy Initiative, a neoconservative think tank where leading neocons Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan sit on the board of directors.
Kagan, who served as foreign policy adviser to Republican Sen. John McCain in his 2008 presidential campaign and has been described as the neoconservative movements chief foreign policy theorist, has also strongly come out in support of Clinton.
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yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)She 75 percent to trump 25 percent. He's to her left on trade and war (although who knows really on war).
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Trump has no consistent positions of any kind on any issue.
He has suggested nuclear proliferation should be expanded throughout Asia and that he would destroy ISIS but won't tell anyone how.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)agreements and rip up all trade agreements. Hillary won't do that.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)He doesn't have any such position on trade.
He says "I'm going to make great deals" and that is the extent of it.
He doesn't know anything about any trade agreements, what they mean, how they can be changed.
The only thing on his website having anything to do with trade is with respect to China, and I am quite confident he does not even understand what is posted there.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)He loves cheap labor.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Which it isn't; manufacturing jobs are never "coming back". Even if manufacturing plant and facilities "come back" it won't employ very many people at all.
swhisper1
(851 posts)His only experience is making deals, right? He is left of her in trade and he is ignorant on wars, stupid in fact on all other topics
oberliner
(58,724 posts)He doesn't roll that way. Nobody tells Donald Trump want to think.
He is ignorant on all subjects and will stay that way.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)He doesn't know anything about any of the issues and has not thought particularly deeply about a single one of them.
Hillary certainly has her inconsistencies, but she can espouse coherent and thoughtful positions on the issues of the day.
Trump is unable to do this and appears disinterested in trying.
Matt_R
(456 posts)Trump is also the bumper sticker slogan candidate. That is what Clinton is up against.
Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)Trump may or may not, but would royally fuck it up in any case.
think
(11,641 posts)Zorro
(15,737 posts)Don't you think so?
PufPuf23
(8,767 posts)Victoria Nuland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland
During the Bill Clinton administration, Nuland was chief of staff to Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott before moving on to serve as deputy director for former Soviet Union affairs.
She served as the principal deputy foreign policy adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney and then as U.S. ambassador to NATO.
Nuland became special envoy for Conventional Armed Forces in Europe and then became State Department spokesperson in summer 2011.[5]
She was nominated to serve as Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs in May 2013 and sworn in to fill that role in September 2013.[6] During her confirmation hearings, she faced "sharp questions" about a memo she had sent outlining the talking points that would be used by the Obama administration in the days shortly after the 2012 Benghazi attack.[7]
In her role as Assistant Secretary, she has been the lead U.S. point person for the Ukrainian crisis. She was a key figure in establishing loan guarantees to Ukraine, including a $1 billion loan guarantee in 2014, and the provisions of non-lethal assistance to the Ukrainian military and border guard.[8][9] Along with Secretary of State John Kerry and Secretary of Defense Ash Carter, she is seen as a leading supporter of defensive weapons delivery to Ukraine
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think
(11,641 posts)Glamrock
(11,794 posts)I tremble at the fact that they are calling her one of their own however.
demwing
(16,916 posts)They're implying Hillary has
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)continue to object to her policies & record and become less and less interested in voting for her..
Zorro
(15,737 posts)Those who adamantly refuse to vote for her closely resemble the Republican Party leaders who swore to oppose Obama on everything at the beginning of his first term.
Triana
(22,666 posts)HRC, the Dem establishment, et al can't be bothered to court PROGRESSIVES and in fact mock them most of the time, but they always welcome neocons into the fold.
Sort of tells you the Dem Party has pretty much lost its way and become Republican Lite.
chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)we're only helping Trump and will be banished.
"Won't you tell me.....where have all the good Dems gone? Where have all the good Dems gone?"
Zorro
(15,737 posts)When will you ever learn?
swhisper1
(851 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)In fact, she made a point of specifically reaching out to Bernie Sanders supporters and encouraging them to support her campaign.
Hekate
(90,642 posts)But I suppose that's a real bad thing too.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)it was really popular around here
Arkana
(24,347 posts)They're walking backward into her campaign because Trump is so over-the-top offensive.
Farrakhan endorsed Obama in 2008, but I didn't hold that against him.
swhisper1
(851 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)He is ridiculous.
think
(11,641 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)The more Republicans who decide to vote for Hillary, the better.
Bernie also made a point of saying how he wanted to appeal to Republicans as well as Democrats and Independents.
think
(11,641 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)If the Republicans had nominated any of the others in the field, they would line up behind that person.
think
(11,641 posts)Republicans.
These are the people who pushed for and got the Iraq war. They know a hawk when they see one...
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Cruz said he would made the sand glow, so he is certainly a war hawk in every sense of the word.
The fact that anyone in America could support Cruz or Trump is disturbing.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)2 nuclear powers at war in the ME. Hillary will certainly make the sand glow
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It's just a proposal.
I realize some people seem keen on allowing the Russian military to bomb Syria unimpeded, but not everyone is on board with that approach.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)The Russian military WILL prop up Assad to keep their only ME port.
Anything that gets in the way of keeping their guy Assad in power (and keeping their port) will lead to a confrontation. Hillary loves this. More $$$ for her and her warhawk friends. WW3 has enormou$ potential
oberliner
(58,724 posts)There is not going to be a nuclear war between the US and Russia over a no-fly zone proposal.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Proxy wars are equally hideous.
You own the coming bloodshed.
All of you
Drenched in blood
TwilightZone
(25,462 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)There are GOP'ers with a tiny shred of decency that just can't support that comb-over orangutan under any circumstances.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)bigtree
(85,986 posts)...now up to bashing people for rejecting trump and Hillary for attracting a constituency that NO candidate can win the presidency without.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Hillary getting republicans to cross over = bad, horrible, sickening, the end of the world as we know it...etc.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)...sadly.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts).......sadly.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)That's the difference.
She has crossover appeal because some of her policies appeal to Republicans.
Sanders (a socialist!) has crossover appeal because HE appeals to Republicans.
That is true crossover appeal. Appealing to Neocons because you have a neocon foreign policy doesn't count.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)elleng
(130,864 posts)are supposed to uphold,
bigtree
(85,986 posts)...and Hillary doesn't have much to do with the expressions of support, other than being sane.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)She's a strong advocate of Reaganism.
Hekate
(90,642 posts)...on the internet, so it's definitely true! And shocking! And disgusting! It means Bernie is complicit!
Or some godsdam thing.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)MFM008
(19,804 posts)An argument between democrats.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Will Salon be considered right wing? Will Rolling Stone? The Progressive?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)But you could be right. The rules are unclear.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)That's essentially what we're getting.
Karmadillo
(9,253 posts)George W. Bush calls Bill Clinton "brother from another mother."
pampango
(24,692 posts)Trump is a brashly authoritarian populist, Kirchick continues a charlatan, a gruesome amalgamation of the Monopoly Man and Elmer Gantry, who is transforming the Republican Party into an ethno-nationalist populist movement.
Hillary Clinton does not believe that NATO, the most successful military alliance in world history and a guarantor of peace and security on a continent marred by war, is obsolete; Trump does,
Trump, on the other hand, is the control alt delete candidate.
coco77
(1,327 posts)how Nicolle Wallace has been so angry with Bernie supporters. The only conclusion I can come to is that she is a Hillary supporter.
brooklynite
(94,501 posts)coco77
(1,327 posts)and many will vote for Hillary.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)Hillary Clinton and the Syrian Bloodbath
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/hillary-clinton-and-the-s_b_9231190.html
She supported an illegal coup in Honduras, exacerbating the violence there:
http://www.thenation.com/article/a-voters-guide-to-hillary-clintons-policies-in-latin-america/
Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)Let them all vote for her and find out differently. =)