It is absolutely impossible to call oneself a "progressive" and refuse to back Hillary this year.

[RBInMaine]

Refusing to back Hillary means helping the monster who is Trump. No ifs, ands, or buts. If one is going to be so "pure" as to help the monster Trump by default by refusing to vote for Hillary Clinton, the stakes being so immeasurably high, then it is absolutely impossible to say one is "progressive." Progressive means progress, not absolutist purity. And Hillary is certainly progressive.

Trump is a monster and devil. He is an unhinged mega-nut, disgusting to the very hilt, and can not be allowed to get anywhere near the White House.

This a no-brainer of epic proportions, plain and simple.

[Live and Learn]

1. You are too funny!!! Did you post that with a straight face?

[RBInMaine]

5. A VERY straight face because Trump is rotten to the very core of his being.

Anyone sitting out due to extremist purity can not be called progressive. The stakes are that high.

[RufusTFirefly]

18. Vote for Hillary! She's bad, but not as bad as the Donald!

Yea!


It's a good thing Aristotle's already dead. If not, your logic would be sure to kill him.

[hollysmom]

55. that is if the republicans can't buy him off from running.

I swear he will not be the republican candidate. I don't know who would, but not Trump.

[tallahasseedem]

2. You're going to get some pushback...

but I admire you for putting this out there.

I totally agree...

[choie]

3. I live in NYC

New York will go for Clinton without a doubt, so I can vote for whoever I want - and I'll be damned if I vote for Clinton....Not a chance...

[RBInMaine]

8. This is Democratic Underground and we SUPPORT our DEMOCRATIC candidates here.

Extremism isn't progressive. It's radical. Good luck with that.

[Duckhunter935]

19. I do

Not her and not Trump

[choie]

33. yeah, you keep telling yourself that not voting for Clinton

is extremist...whatever gets you through the night. Meanwhile, I will write in another Democratic candidate...

[oberliner]

31. "I'll be damned if I vote for Clinton....Not a chance"

Who might you vote for?

[choie]

34. Since Clinton is assured of a victory in NY

I will write in Bernie Sanders..and my conscience will be clear..

[oberliner]

36. If Bernie endorses Hillary would that make a difference for you?

Or are you planning to write in Bernie regardless?

[choie]

39. No difference....

Bernie is endorsing her for his own (understandable) reasons, I don't have to do the same.

[laserhaas]

57. Concur. ^^^

[oberliner]

70. Thanks for the courteous response

I myself will be curious to see what Bernie does moving forward. It certainly does not seem like he is in any hurry to give HRC his endorsement. I wonder if things will get contentious leading up to the convention.

[chwaliszewski]

60. Here, here!

I live in Washington state and am in the same boat as you. No way Trump takes WA so I'm writing in Bernie so I can sleep at night.

[PowerToThePeople]

4. Let me help someone

by not doing anything to help them.

Something is missing here.

Wonder what it is?

Oh yes, logic. That is what is missing

[RBInMaine]

9. Seriously? How do you think R's get elected off-year? By voters sitting out.

Either vote for Hillary or you're helping Trump BY DEFAULT. Simple an as TRUE as that.

[PowerToThePeople]

10. Default

0+0=0

[Duckhunter935]

20. I never sit out elections

[w4rma]

6. Choose your authoritarianism: Fascism or corporatism. (nt)

[RBInMaine]

12. Extremist statement. That's no where near "progressive."

[RBInMaine]

13. Extremist statement. That's no where near "progressive."

[gordianot]

25. Just curious on how "extremist" is defined in your lexicon?

At what point is a statement or opinion "extremist". Do you have an operational definition as my old College professor would query?

[Scootaloo]

32. "Disagrees with me"

[Fuddnik]

37. Progressive too.

[chwaliszewski]

61. Repetitive statement. That's no where near "singular."

[PowerToThePeople]

14. They are the same.

[w4rma]

40. They are, aren't they? (nt)

[peace13]

7. Hillary is not a progressive.

Trump is flaming out. This discussion is months away. To those who have been impatient to this point, good luck with it all. This is serious business and arm twisting will not accomplish what you need it to.

[RBInMaine]

11. You're opinion is born of extremist purity, not actual progressivism.

[peace13]

15. It is my opinion and I am welcome to it.

Your job is to point around and tell others what their problem is. You're doing a good job.

[Scootaloo]

24. You don't get to define progressivism, RBInMaine.

You're not in charge of other people.

[TheKentuckian]

46. He doesn't really want to define it as much as annihilate with extreme prejudice

I'm pretty sure Obama pushes his ideological envelope and even the Clintons might get a little hairy.

I'm thinking the sweet spot for a comfortable version of center left for this one is like a pro choice Oren Hatch or maybe Dick Lugar with a circle d next to his name.

[choie]

35. who made you the king of deciding who is progressive?

[qdouble]

16. Many so called progressive, think the way to achieve progress is to take 2 steps back or "bern it

to the ground."

I salute your post, but many here don't care about the democratic party.

[uppityperson]

17. I agree with your second paragraph. I will vote against Trump to prevent him from getting into

the presidency. That is no way means I back Hillary though. And that is because I am a progressive.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

21. Yeah. No. I don't think so.

[Scootaloo]

22. I'm certain Clinton has some merit beyond "not being Trump."

Maybe you'll want to find out what those are, and start advocating for them?

[peace13]

29. The wheels are gonna fall off of the Hillary bus when the RNC fills Trumps boots.

His wobble is so bad I can't imagine that he will survive the convention. All he had to do was stop talking and he can't make that happen. The argument of Hill not being Trump will vanish and then heads will begin to pop! Suddenly and completely they will realize that they should not have dumped Bernie's supporters as though they were the 'lint' on Hill's jacket.

[Scootaloo]

38. Even if they don't swap him out, it's a bad tactic

It puts all the lights on Trump. It lets him set the terms and frame the arguments. It makes Clinton look like an empty candidate who's only there to snipe at the other guy.

[peace13]

42. Agree.

And her best position is not sniping. She is batter on deck to be called bitter and that will not be pretty. She is bitter but that is sexist, unless your Hill or the press.

[CorkySt.Clair]

52. Have you already given up on the indictment fairy?

[peace13]

64. I think it's pretty clear that there are two sets of rules.

Enjoy! Roll around in it. The one percent thanks you. I'm stuck in the world you made and will think of you over the next four years.

[CorkySt.Clair]

69. I'm sorry you feel that way.

[Doctor_J]

23. no it isn't

I'm far more progressive than any of the hillarians at du, and will likely not be voting for anyone for president. your subject line is typical of authoritarian types, telling others what "must" be true, when in fact it is an opinion, and a highly biased one at that.

[Smarmie Doofus]

26. Your local community college most likely offers an "Introduction to Logic."

Check it out. Seriously.

[AgingAmerican]

27. So you arent' a progressive unless you back the right wing candidate?

WHo calls herself a 'moderate' whatever that is...

The tortured 'logic' of HIllary supporters.

[gopiscrap]

28. Sadly I agree

[eastwestdem]

30. Exactly!! nt

[swhisper1]

41. HA!!!!!

[jcgoldie]

43. Its not impossible

There are dozens here doing just that. It is, however, hypocritical.

[elana i am]

44. i only vote for democrats

progressive, populist ones.

i don't vote for very UN-progressive fracking queens, iraq war instigators, free trade stalwarts, corporate stooges, enablers of sexual predation, or people of questionable ethics and judgement.

[williesgirl]

45. She is NO Progressive, more Republican Lite. If she's our nominee,

I'll vote for her to keep Trump out. Then leave the voting booth and puke.

[Vote2016]

47. It is absolutely impossible to call oneself a "vegetarian" and refuse to eat fish instead of beef

[Vote2016]

49. Just because Bush sucked, that didn't magically turn Lieberman into a progressive prince

[highprincipleswork]

48. That is certainly a very uninspiring view of what it is to be a Progressive.

[Ron Green]

50. Hillary was always the plan, wasn't she? And you fell right into it.

Crazy Trump scares people enough that they'll vote for a warmongering corporate shill, and Wall Street couldn't be happier. And people like you, hiding behind screen names on this "underground" Internet site, ignored, ridiculed and disrespected the one candidate with good ideas AND integrity.

Now all you've got is a bullshit OP wherein you decide who's not progressive.

Pathetic.

[VulgarPoet]

66. He's her stalking horse.

Trump was chosen, by the Clintons specifically for this moment. Couple the threat of a Trump presidency with a vacancy on the Supreme Court, and one would think that'd be the biggest stick one could be beaten with. I see through it. Smoke and mirror stage theater. Just sit back and enjoy the popcorn.

[Silver_Witch]

51. Your humble opinion????

Or did you get a message from someone that this is fact? Can you share the memo?

DNC should have run a better candidate if you are worried she can't vanquish Trump.

And who are you lecturing about being progressive?

[kcdoug1]

53. OMG

what absolute bullshit!

[laserhaas]

54. What a Crick

[SpareribSP]

56. Please find a better line for voting for Hillary than

"Hey, she isn't Trump!"

[azurnoir]

58. Trump being a monster in every way doesn't automatically make Hillary a Progressive

just the not as bad as

[B Calm]

62. Bingo! +1

[cali]

59. Sickening that you actually believe this.

[coyote]

63. "You can't get there from here"

As the saying goes in Maine. That can definitely be applied to your thinking.

[jack_krass]

65. Voting for a lesser evil is not "progressive"

[CBGLuthier]

67. plain and very, very, very simple.

In that not so often used definition of "simple." that is.

She is not a progressive. To say that not supporting her is not progressive is bullshit.

[99Forever]

68. No it isn't.