Bernie is kicking ass!!!

[panader0]

A great speech and a great reasoning for staying in the race.

[Evergreen Emerald]

1. I find it odd.

I think he is having trouble leaving the stage.

[NWCorona]

4. No he's letting it be known to his supporters that he won't sell them out.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

83. Gotta respect Bernie's tenacity.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

6. He has told his supporters all along --

he was taking it to the convention. He is keeping his word. I know that may be a hard thing to grasp for some, a politician who keeps his word.

[LoverOfLiberty]

43. Why not admit defeat?

It would be the honorable and honest thing to do.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

50. Because he hasn't lost yet?

I am old enough to remember a time when we had multiple candidates at the convention and delegate votes were counted there -- it was after that convention vote/count the nominee was official -- and not a moment before.

When all the delegate vote and HRC wins the most delegates, then the primary is over and Sanders' has lost.

[LoverOfLiberty]

52. He lost by millions of votes

and hundreds of pledged delegates.

Its over for everyone but Sanders and his most diehard supporters.

[Gore1FL]

54. We have this thing called a convention.

Things are decided at it beyond the nominee.

[LoverOfLiberty]

55. blah blah blah

The only way Sanders prevails at the convention (which he won't) is to destroy democracy. If that is what you are hoping for then you aren't someone I would ever want to have on my side.

[Gore1FL]

58. I am sorry you hate the process so. Maybe you should contact the DNC and discuss it. nt

[LoverOfLiberty]

63. Pity that you are such an oponent

of democracy.

Look, Hillary won and nothing any Sanders supporter can say or do will change that.

You can whine and cry and rend your garments. But it won't change the fact that the primary is over and Sanders will not be the nominee.

[Gore1FL]

64. That would be you.

You are the one who doesn't want the process to continue as designed.

[LoverOfLiberty]

66. The process is complete

The last primary was on Tuesday in DC. Clinton won. Ego, Sanders lost.

[Gore1FL]

68. No, the process continues through the convention.

I am not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand. I've watched this stuff for decades. We've had a convention every fours years to conduct party business including creating a platform, and electing a nominee.

You can probably google it.

[LoverOfLiberty]

105. The only thing left to do at the convention

is to dot the i's and cross the t's. Certainly you know this if you've watched this stuff for decades.

What is certain no to happen is that Sanders won't be named the nominee.

[Gore1FL]

109. And set the platform

You should read up on it. It's a neat event that actually means something.

[Smarmie Doofus]

102. I think you mean "ergo."

(You're wrong in either case.)

[LoverOfLiberty]

103. It was a pretty clever

typo, no?

[Smarmie Doofus]

108. mmmm..... No. nt

[Silver_Witch]

126. Ergo. Ergo Sanders lost!

Silly typos. Maddening really

[rickford66]

129. Bernie is lectured about not understanding the primary rules.

Now he's lectured for understanding the convention rules. Something else I hear. It's Bernie's own fault he lost and if Hillary loses, it's Bernie's fault.

[leeroysphitz]

97. "Destroy democracy" could you be anymore dramatic?

The convention is whete the nominee, among many other things are decided upon.

[LoverOfLiberty]

98. The will of the people have spoken

The democratic process has played out.

The only hope for Sanders to win the nomination is to disregard the will of the democratic process.

So yeah, it would be pretty dramatic if that were to happen.

[Gore1FL]

132. If Hillary gets the nomination and wins in November

Will you demand the Obama's move out immediately or will you wait for the inauguration?

The people will have spoken. No need to follow the outlined steps, right?

[rhett o rick]

123. We don't live in a democracy now. I assume you didn't get the memo. We like in a corporate

controlled Oligarchy. Those that support the corporate controlled have a lot of nerve tells the Progressive Wing that we want to "destroy democracy". This country has a worse election system than 23 other countries and why? Because your big corporations like it that way, they get the president they want that way. They rigged the elections in 2000 and 2004 and now 2016.

Those that side with the big money corporations over the 2.5 million homeless children are not on my side.

[LoverOfLiberty]

125. Sorry Bernie lost

there will always be those who refuse to accept the results of an election because in their minds, no one else can possibly be right.

[WhiteTara]

114. You do know

that in 2008, he told Hillary to get out of the race and he pledged his super delegate vote to Obama right after California. That was LONG before the convention. Sounds like a double standard to me.

[Gore1FL]

116. OK

Nonetheless, we have this thing called a convention. It hasn't happened yet. It'll be in the news when it does!

[bkkyosemite]

57. Guess you didn't see the news that wasn't propaganda...that voting became a serious

issue for millions.... and still is with counting and lawsuits and experts on numbers etc...but it's just facts...to ignore.

[LoverOfLiberty]

65. Because in your world

the only way that Sanders could lose is massive fraud.

Fortunately reality isn't on your side.

[bkkyosemite]

69. You know nothing about my world and my side vs yours ....taking sides huh...

We are the Democratic Party remember.....my fellow Dem.....

[LoverOfLiberty]

71. I support the Democratic party

your ilk is trying to delegitimize it by claiming that the party itself has colluded to deny Sanders the nomination.

Shameful

[bkkyosemite]

72. My ilk. I'm a Democrat! My ilk my ilk my ilk................If I'm a Dem and your a Dem why

the hostility...............shameful.............just shameful....and angry too.

[LoverOfLiberty]

73. Because you lie

and throw smoke and claim either that Sanders can still win (he can't) or that the "Democratic Establishment" colluded to deny him his rightful victory.

You aren't helping the party, "fellow Democrat", you are hurting it.

[bkkyosemite]

75. You call me a liar! I said nothing of the kind...............attack attack attack...can you do

any thing that is polite. I am not hurting anything. I am believing in Bernie Sanders you believe in Hillary Clinton and that's okay. Btw she is not the nominee. It's voted on in July..JFYI.

[LoverOfLiberty]

76. She is the nominee

but whatever.

[bkkyosemite]

79. She isn't but whatever

[Hell Hath No Fury]

61. You really don't know how this works, do you?

HRC is not the Democrat nominee yet, which is why she is referred to as the "presumptive" nominee. That is just reality, whether you like it or not. Her name will be entered into nomination at the convention and so may Sanders'. The Delegates will vote. HRC will (most likely) win that count. She will then -- and ONLY then -- be the Presidential nominee of the Democratic Party. (And the popular vote total is meaningless because it is the delegates who nominate the candidate, not the voters.)

[Lord Magus]

53. But he HAS lost yet.

If he refuses to tell his supporters that, it's a lie of omission.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

67. Have the delegates to the 2016 Democratic National Convention voted yet?

Because they are who nominate and vote on the Democratic Presidential nominee. Until that vote takes place, no one has "won" or "lost" anything. THAT is reality.

[wallyworld2]

78. because he hasn't been defeated

[Rockyj]

106. Many prefer lies...

corruption, voter fraud & suppression, and WARS!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

127. Imagine that? A candidate who believes in promises made, promises kept.

[eastwestdem]

10. Same old speech...not even a mention of any current events. nt

[Siwsan]

14. He brought up Orlando, and that's pretty current, don't you think?

[Evergreen Emerald]

22. Welll, he was on all of the Sunday shows and spoke about Orlando

And then that night he had an important statement to make, and all of the media flocked to him--and he talked about Orlando again.

[Siwsan]

33. I'm just curious - what else did you think he should bring up?

I did hear a lot of reiterating of his stand on issues, but at this point in any campaign, that's what you hear.

I'll give you my 2 cents worth, as an ardent Sanders supporter. I know that Hillary Clinton will be the nominee. I would be beyond gob smacked if there was any other outcome. And, I will vote for her, and not have to hold my nose to do it, as I have a lot of respect for her.

To me, the most important thing is to defeat Trump, or any other Republican. And to take back the senate and make big gains in the house.

I say that because I am a Democrat, first.

[Evergreen Emerald]

39. I think he should support the democratic candidate for President

and stop the insinuation that only he can fix America. And stop the demands for the Democratic party. That is what I would like to hear.

[Siwsan]

41. And I thought that's what he was going to say

And, really, he did, in a way. Just not in a definitive way. (Pardon my parsing.) I truly believe he wants to make some significant changes and to have an impact on the party platform and direction. And maybe he thinks sticking to it until the convention is the right way to have an impact. Can't fault him for that. He is not the enemy, and neither is she.

I just hope everybody puts on their big kids pants and work together to keep the White House. I mean, we can agree to disagree on some of the issues, but this vitriolic behavior and language from people on both sides doesn't do anyone any good.

Thanks for "listening" to me!

[brooklynite]

44. "At this point in any campaign" the campaign is over...

Your issues either aren't in conflict with the nominees, or your opponents issues prevailed.

[Siwsan]

47. Well, not much longer and we will be off and running to November

I fully admit that I don't feel the enthusiasm that I felt in the previous 3 general elections, but I am certainly open to getting that feeling back.

[Gore1FL]

70. the convention

It's sort of a known thing. Not sure why people have such a hard time with this. It's how it's always worked. Not sure why you want to change the rules now.

[joshcryer]

15. I think he realizes his "supporters" won't accept him stepping down.

And I think the Clinton campaign has agreed to let him continue on his platform modifying path. The die hard faux supporters of course will call it meaningless.

[bvar22]

99. Its not time to "leave the stage".

Yes, Hillary won the election,
but Bernie won many states and many millions of votes.
He WON the right for us have our Liberal/Progressive Issues and Policies voiced LOUDLY at the Democratic Convention, and to spotlight a new direction for the Democratic Party.

[Rockyj]

124. re: BERNIE SUPPORTERS

SO Cool you will like reading this! 91.41% Bernie supporters will NOT support Hillary Clinton if she is the nominee!
So you don't have to be concern about us anymore!

http://www.usainfobox.com/latest-survey-91-41-of-bernie-sanders-supporters-will-not-support-hillary-clinton-if-she-is-nominee/

That means:

Together, in this campaign, 1.5 million people came out to our rallies and town meetings in almost every state in the country.

Together, hundreds of thousands of volunteers made 75 million phone calls urging their fellow citizens into action.

Together, our canvassers knocked on more than 5 million doors.

Together, we hosted 74,000 meetings in every state and territory in this country.

Together, 2.7 million people made over 8 million individual contributions to our campaign more contributions at this point than any campaign in American history.

Which means 2,468,070 million of Bernie's donors won't support her! YIPPIE!

http://time.com/4372673/bernie-sanders-speech-text-read-transcript/

[Go Vols]

131. If you know right from wrong,

how could you support wrong winning?

[LLStarks]

2. He has no relevance in a post-Orlando country that has already moved onto the general election. eom

[djean111]

9. Well, then, why bother to post about him?

I would think you would have better things to do with your time.

[G_j]

26. actually, posts in political forums have no relevance

seems a bit more accurate

[demwing]

87. Maybe not for the focus impaired

but not for the people that are paying attention.

[oswaldactedalone]

3. What race?

Primary is over, Bernie lost by all measures. Pack it in Bernie.

[SpareribSP]

20. He's talking about other races, largely.

[niyad]

92. what other races? primary season is over.

[DCBob]

5. Nobody is listening.

Except his delusional die hard supporters.

[tex-wyo-dem]

85. Delusional?

Nice message of unity...so I guess it's fuck the "big tent" idea, eh?

[DCBob]

89. Why would we want to bring people into the tent who despise our nominee?

FYI..those are the 'delusional' people.

[RazBerryBeret]

7. All the Way to the convention....

this is what he said from the start!
good for him!

[NWCorona]

29. I should have watched that stream!

[840high]

49. All the way.

[MyNameGoesHere]

8. #berndout

[RBInMaine]

11. What "race"? It is OVER. It's been in a few papers. Bernie lost. Time to accept the obvious.

[RazBerryBeret]

34. not about the RACE

"Election days come and go. But political and social revolutions that attempt to transform our society never end.
They continue every day, every week and every month in the fight to create a nation of social and economic justice.
That’s what the trade union movement is about.
That’s what the civil rights movement is about.
That’s what the women’s movement is about.
That’s what the gay rights movement is about.
That’s what the environmental movement is about."

[Bleacher Creature]

12. I hear the Carolina Panthers are insisting on staying in the Super Bowl,

Staying in the race? The race is over. He lost.

[-none]

119. Great talking point.

Save it till after the Democratic Convention, where it would make more sense.

[Duval]

13. Great inspirational speech.

We need for him to "keep on trucking". He has already awakened us to the disastrous policies that need to be changed if we are going to remain a DEMOCRACY and a World Class country.

[Triana]

18. Exactly. n/t

[Triana]

16. What I heard...

...

"I'm taking it to Convention. And I'm going to KEEP fighting for the 99% - for a progressive agenda, against cutting Social Security, against TPP, against income inequality, FOR changes to deal with climate change, and I'm encouraging the 99% to run for local and national offices themselves - to GET INVOLVED,...etc."

Odd as HELL to see so much sneering here on "DEMOCRATIC Underground" against any of what he's saying he will go to the convention (and beyond) to fight for. It's what we ALL should be fighting for: DEMOCRATIC values, and a representative government that works for WE THE PEOPLE and not just THOSE GUYS the RICH and WEALTHY.

I'm really sorry to say that it sounds more like Free Republic here sometimes than DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND.

[Juicy_Bellows]

30. Underground is starting to represent one's head position around here lately.

[SwampG8r]

46. Oh....snap!

[bvar22]

100. Thread WINNER!!

I WILL be stealing this.
Perfect description.

[Lord Magus]

60. The entirely appropriate sneering is about acting as if the convention is overtime to the campaign.

It isn't. Every state and territory has already voted.

[wallyworld2]

80. Hear Hear!

That's exactly the point well said

[Metric System]

17. Staying in the race? I thought California was the final goal post?

[Triana]

19. The changes he's talking about go far beyond this election.

#CLUE

[Metric System]

28. But THIS race is over.

[Gore1FL]

56. You might want to watch the speech before you criticize it. nt

[Lord Magus]

59. But THIS election is over.

If he's going to fight for those changes in future elections, good. But pretending to still be running in this one even after the last votes were cast just doesn't make sense.

[TheKentuckian]

82. Our race is every day. I do not apologize for the inconvenience.

[Adrahil]

25. The ultimate #Berniemath.

Can't wait for the 20th.

[KingFlorez]

21. There is no race

When there are no states or territories left to vote, typically that means there is no longer a race.

[lapucelle]

23. Maybe this is simply an effort to raise some cash

so he can pay Revolution Messaging what he owes them. (Their "Team" page on the About Us tab looks like something from the Tea Party.)

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/
https://revolutionmessaging.com/about-us/

[demwing]

88. thank you for outing yourself so quickly

Truly appreciate the early head's up on what to expect from you.

[LuvLoogie]

24. You go down there, Bernie. Have at it.

[LWolf]

27. He did.

The intellectually and ethically challenged still don't want to "get" it, but millions will.

[intheozone]

31. Staying in what race? The primary race is over, Bernie lost, Hillary won! Nt

[Beowulf]

32. No surprise, Clinton people are clueless.

Seems all they understand is cynicism.

[CobaltBlue]

37. Beowulf—I should thank them.

They inspired me, weeks ago, to make use of the “Ignore” feature.

[SwampG8r]

48. Same here and my life is better for it

In seven years never used it i just got so tired of the same untruths bei g repeated by the same people over and over
After the first few they seemed to gather magnetically. I have hundreds on mine and never intend to clear one they each earned my disinterest in gheir opinions.

[Gore1FL]

62. they inspired me too.

To make an account at http://jackpineradicals.org .
.

[JTFrog]

107. Yea, you can let it all hang out there.

No worry of being censored for calling her the most vile and disgusting names a woman can be called. No worry that someone will turn their nose up at all the right wing attacks on the first female candidate at the top of the ticket for a major party.

It's such an inspirational place.

[Gore1FL]

110. Don't make false accusations. False accusations make DU suck

My first choice was Elizabeth Warren. Sanders is closer to espoused Elizabeth Warren positions that Clinton.

If she had run, what asinine thing would you call me for supporting Warren over Clinton?


The reason I joined http://jackpineradicals.org is to get away from people like you who are unable to have a reasonable issue debate.

[JTFrog]

111. Making no false accusations.

I've seen the shit posted over there. Obviously not everyone there posts like that, but the fact that it's sanctioned is pretty vile.

It's pretty raunchy. Not my cup o tea at all.

[Gore1FL]

112. And people who make DU suck are not mine.

I hope you learn to be civil.

[JTFrog]

113. Well, I'm civil enough not to frequent sites that allow women to be called vile slurs.

[Gore1FL]

115. Making this about sexism shows how little you listen.

False accusations make DU suck. Stop making DU suck.

[JTFrog]

118. False accusations do make DU suck.

False accusations against Clinton from right wing sources are posted here every single day. That makes DU suck.

And I've made no false accusations about the site you keep linking to. Are you going to deny that they allow people to call Clinton the b-word and c-word? Afraid most people here are already aware of it.

[Gore1FL]

121. Demonstrate when I have.

Thanks in advance.

[JTFrog]

122. I never said you did.

I said "you can let it all hang out there", etc., as in general, not you specifically. The only clearer I could have made it is by saying "one can" I guess. I even mentioned that not everyone there posts that way. I was just posting in response to someone saying they were inspired by that site.

[RandySF]

35. So that's what he had to say

After hiding from a 14-hour filibuster on guns?

[jehop61]

42. Well said

[redstateblues]

77. Didn't want to upset the gun manufacturers

[kerry-is-my-prez]

36. Missed it. Did he say anything to support the Democratic Party? I know it's too much to hope that

he might say something supportive of Hillary....

[w4rma]

38. Everything he said supported the Democratic Party. (nt)

[timlot]

40. Did he ask for $27?

It adds up.

[CobaltBlue]

45. timlot—Your attempt at Republican humor, yes?

[swhisper1]

74. nope

[TNProfessor]

51. Like the quartet on the Titanic...

[pkdu]

81. Is he in the Gun Control Filibuster on the Senate Floor?

..oh , no he's not. ... he's talking about a Party he will leave shortly.

[Bobbie Jo]

84. "the race" is over.

All this talk of "staying in" is ridiculous.

[Surya Gayatri]

86. What race would that be? Is the Burned Out One now running against himself?

His electoral campaign against Sec. Clinton ended last Tuesday on June 14th, with the last primary in Washington, D.C.

She won. He lost.

Who is he running against now? And, what race is he running in?

[leftofcool]

90. Who?

[uponit7771]

91. +1

[asuhornets]

93. Bernie who???

[panader0]

94. Thanks for the kick!

[asuhornets]

95. Anytime, but who is this Bernie you speak of??? n/t

[zappaman]

96. who?

[MFM008]

101. Shes going to pick a VP soon

It will be before the convention.
Then what??

[Gomez163]

104. The race is over. Bernie lost, thank God.

[dubyadiprecession]

117. Sorry bernie, you didn't make it to round two, but we have a nice parting gift position for you.

It is... wait for it... you will be...The senator from vermont!!

[XRubicon]

120. He is the first loser!!!111!!!

Hooray!

(that's second place)

[eastwestdem]

128. Yes, that one speech of his gets better every time I hear it. nt

[AgadorSparticus]

130. Yeah, he is kicking his own ass at this point. I am in shock that he won't concede.

It makes him look bad. Like those people that just can't let go and are desperately trying to rationalize their existence in a place that has shut them out.