Has anyone explained to the junior Senator from Vermont that talking about

[geek tragedy]

the need to defeat Trump, but refusing to do the most basic of tasks in order to defeat Trump (like admit that the person who won the Democratic primary has won), makes the talky talk part seem less than sincere?

Asking for a friend.

[Agnosticsherbet]

1. Hey, he said he would start soon.

So I will congratulate him on is efforts when he actually does something.

[geek tragedy]

3. yeah, evolving from opponent to pest doesn't make him an ally nt

[Agnosticsherbet]

12. No it does not. We needs deeds not words.

[Hortensis]

41. True, but we'll get them. Vox thinks Sanders

believes that, if he were to endorse and encourage his followers to support her now, Hillary would pivot entirely to the GE and stop paying attention to him. Vox also thinks that's probably quite likely. Otoh, Hillary could just tell him "to go pound sand" if he insists on asking for too much.

So he's being conciliating toward her without conceding, and at the same time he's trying to whomp up support for his continuing movement to have more to offer her in exchange for more.

[Agnosticsherbet]

45. Well, then, when he proves he will do shit, I will believe him.

[Hortensis]

47. He's already done a lot of "shit," word

used deliberately, and I'm pretty sure he has more on his list for us. We need helpful GE action, though, and I presume that's what you're talking about. So maybe you just didn't notice that he is and has been badmouthing Trump, speaking against Republicans, twittering on the filibuster, etc.

What's really going on here? Surprise, anger that the Sanders isn't abandoning his "movement" to fall in line behind Hillary? That's not going to happen. It never was. Is there going to be another 5 months of this?

[Demsrule86]

48. Surprise anger that he treated the first woman nominee so disrespectfully...never get over it. nt

[Hortensis]

59. Demsrule, this charge that he's treated

the first woman nominee inexcusably disrespectfully does not strike me as realistic or justified. Political opponents criticize each other, and frequently very harshly, as SOP. This strikes me as plain old villification and, frankly, I see no difference between that statement and "Hillary lied and broke the rules, and I therefore could never vote for her."

Shouldn't we be moving into the GE and focusing on the Right Wing threats to America and our way of life?

I'm in my 60s, btw, and have not once in my life said, "I'm not a feminist, BUT..." I'm a feminist. If you're young, that may not mean anything to you, but for probably a quarter century most people heard women timidly hedge their statements with that at least a couple times a week.

[Demsrule86]

60. It is completely justificed

Has any other candidate ever refused to concede? And the first woman is nominated...and this happens..coincidence...I think not. Bernie threatens the general until he concedes and endorses...a move to the general is not possible until after the convention since he will not do the right thing and help defeat Trump...actions speak louder than words. We lose over a month...because of Bernie's actions. Weaver said last night he still wants the nomination...disrespectful to Sen. Clinton in my opinion.

[Hortensis]

65. Oh, wrong argument! Lol. Come on.

Do you really think rigid, uber-righteous Sanders, with his decades of hostility to liberals and the Democratic Party, labeling all who disagree with him as corrupt (not merely wrong, but corrupt!), would abandon his crusade to concede just because our future nominee was presumably going to be a man? Not a chance.

I agree that he is not doing his best by a party that, imo, he owes a large duty and debt to, but he does not feel that way -- and we always knew it would be that way. He's a crank, he always was a crank, but as cranks go, we could be far, far, far worse off. Most observers in fact believe he is overall good for the Democratic Party, and I do too. We need some cleaning up. Just not now right in the middle of a desperately important election.

[Agnosticsherbet]

11. Which is why I will on congratulate after some real action.

Talk is cheap, and, yes, I know his donations are down, but he needs to do something real.

[Lord Magus]

20. Why on Earth was Bobby's post hidden?

It's a perfectly reasonable statement of fact: the promised tax returns never materialized.

[Agnosticsherbet]

22. He spoke too candidly about a candidate, I guess.

I did not notice until you asked.

[Demsrule86]

49. Bernie juries.

Monday it ends.

[scscholar]

35. But soon...

is never soon enough.

[aikoaiko]

2. There is still plenty of time for that.

Go Bernie! Go!

[SpareribSP]

5. Wait for the convention. Honestly, even after the convention.

He also put it best saying that while we must defeat Trump, that's not the only thing. He will make sure to push things in a progressive direction.

[geek tragedy]

7. he gets credit for walking the walk when he actually walks it.

right now, it's all talk.

Lip service, nothing more.

Not an ally in the fight against Trump and the Republicans in the general election.

He hasn't earned the right to be considered that.

[SpareribSP]

10. Oh come on.

He's rallying people RIGHT NOW IN THAT SPEECH to the Democratic party, and trying to bring new blood in. He's not wrong that he won the under 45 vote, and often by a large margin. He's saying what's needed to that demographic to keep them interested. They care about that giant list of issues he raised, not about a specific endorsement of Hillary. He may not be pro-Hillary, but he's definitely trying to help the Democratic party win.

[geek tragedy]

14. none of that precludes him acknowledging that Clinton will be the nominee

defeated candidates have a very short period during which they can refuse to acknowledge reality while retaining their credibility.

he's sailing past that threshold.

[840high]

28. I don't understand why that

is so important to you. Must he validate your choice?

[Demsrule86]

50. No he is not.

Concede and endorse.

[G_j]

15. and who made you the authority?

oh that's right, you did.

[sheshe2]

6. He is taking this to November.

Mark my words.

[geek tragedy]

9. no, sore loser laws and a lack of funds and organization would make it impossible

for him to get on the ballot.

He'll just sit the fight out against Trump, or make a few token speeches and try to take credit.

[vintx]

18. Ok.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

19. Marked as requested.

[Demsrule86]

51. I have not doubt...my one hope is the IRS will have an opinion

on raising money when the primary is over.

[woolldog]

8. That is his MO with everything.

He is all talk and that 's always all he's been. He sucks at translating talk into action and demonstrable results. That's why he's always been such a mediocre congressman and a bum until he finally decided to get a job in politics in middle age.

[deathrind]

13. I hear what you are saying...

However given the fact that for quite some time now Senator Sanders and his supporters have been hearing/told that SoS/Senator Clinton does not need his help or his supporters help/votes in defeating Trump,... that she's got this all wrapped up without them. So I don't believe that message of "unity" has been seriously considered by his campaign.

[NanceGreggs]

31. Bullshit.

HRC needs Democratic supporters/votes in the GE.

It's up to individuals to decide if they are Democratic supporters/voters or strictly Bernie supporters/voters.

The former will vote for the (D) in November. Those who prefer to remain BSers won't. And if they're waiting to be wooed, cajoled, courted and/or romanced, I would suggest they don't hold their breath while doing so.

If you need to be wooed into "unity", your commitment to that unity is worthless. You do the right thing because it IS the right thing - and not because someone sent you flowers and a box of candy.

[Lazy Daisy]

33. It's not flowers and candy she sends

Its household products. You know, because she's such a feminist

[NanceGreggs]

37. I don't give a rat's ass ...

... whether you're wooed by flowers and candy or a new stainless steel fridge.

You either vote for the (D) in November, or you don't. No one is sending you roses or a state-of-the-art dishwasher either way.

And whether you think HRC is a feminist or not is of no consequence to anyone other than yourself.

[chascarrillo]

16. Four more days...

[geek tragedy]

17. Heh. Touché

[BlueStater]

21. For someone who constantly minimizes Sanders and dismisses him as irrelevant,...

...you sure do talk about him a hell of a lot.

[jillan]

23. He has been going after Trump for months. He makes an excellent case why Trump will never be

President.

You would know this if you ever listened to him.

[booley]

25. listening being the key word here

I wonder if these guys have any idea how weak they make their candidate look

[Demsrule86]

53. He has done nothing worthwhile in my opinion to help defeat Trump.

He can't unless he quits the primary with a concession and an endorsement.

[booley]

24. ell so far Clinton can't seem to make a case beyond "Trump bad so vote for me!"

I am sorry that you feel Clinton is weak a candidate that Sanders is hurting her just by not conceding before the convention (Which btw the way he can do. It's silly to complain that Sanders is following the system you all said he had to work within)

But frankly Clinton doesn't' seem to have any interest in motivating Sander's voters to vote for her instead. I am not ven sure she could if she wanted since she cant' attack his strengths (that he is seen as an anti-establishment populist) All she seems able to do is repeat Trumps words back at him as if we didnt' already know that Trump is a human land fill.

In short, Sanders isn't here for the convenience of Hillary Clinton.

[840high]

29. Or the convenience of some

hysterical DU posters.

[Number23]

26. But Bernie is NO phony!!11 He just doesn't understand what he's supposed to do despite 30 years

in Congress!!11

I thought his campaign pretty spectacularly crashed and berned a while ago, but he's taking a blow torch to his own embers. But I'm sure he plans on getting on Trump just as soon as Hillary has EARNED his endorsement or after the Democrats are done trying to get things done in the Senate without his help.

Yessirree. PRIORITIES people!!

[Demsrule86]

54. I guess more 'mansplainin' is needed. nt

[elleng]

27. Baloney.

The most basic of tasks in order to defeat Trump is NOT to admit that the person who won the Democratic primary has won.

It is ridiculous to not recognize Senator Sanders' sincerity. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512195795

[840high]

30. .+1

[Lazy Daisy]

32. The damn nerve of them

I mean c'mon. Imagine millions of citizens of this country actually demanding their government listen to their needs and wants.
Who the hell do they think they are Canadians or something?

[pat_k]

39. love it!

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I just don't get all the whinging. The denigrating crap from people who have been denigrating him for the past year is not surprising, but they've really got themselves into a twist.

For all intents and purposes he HAS conceded. He couldn't be clearer. He's going to the convention with his delegates, not for the nomination, but to give voice to his supporters. He'll be fundraising for Dems down ticket. He'll be working to defeat Trump (i.e., get Hillary elected).

The course he is taking is the best way to maximize the chances that the people he inspired to get active, stay active into the future. And it's the best way to maximize the number of his supporters who will come out for Clinton, and other Democrats, in Nov.

Both very good things.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512195488

[Silver_Witch]

64. This^^^

[eastwestdem]

34. It's amazing what an ego can do to a man...we are seeing that in 2 of the remaining 3 presidential

candidates. Funny that they are both men.

[Rex]

36. I have it on good authority he is trying to drive you and boston bean crazy.

Seriously, now that he has time to look for a hobby.

[AntiBank]

38. lololol

[geek tragedy]

46. he's very good at it!

I'm getting there, I'm trying anyways

[Cha]

40. Very insincere.. and thank you for pointing that out, geek.

[DCBob]

42. Until Bernie concedes and endorses Hillary..

.. nothing else he says matters.

[coyote]

43. You mad, bro?

[Demsrule86]

56. I ain't even mad though...

Bernie will concede or not...the countdown towards irrelevancy has begun.

[Gothmog]

44. Sanders is a bitter old man who refuses to accept that he lost

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[Silver_Witch]

52. He said she won did you even listen?

[geek tragedy]

55. no he didn't, didn't even acknowledge Clinton got more votes nt

[Silver_Witch]

61. Oh for Pete's sake. You guys won. Try to get over it!

Really take the weekend off. Celebrate your victory. Why the fuck do you give a rags ass what Bernie says or does! Move on my friend. Move on.

[geek tragedy]

63. I'm very much looking forward to the 20th nt

[Demsrule86]

57. No he did not. He said she had the most delegates

Weaver says he is still going for the nomination...and until he concedes and endorses...he can't help in the general. What can he say...I won't endorse Hillary, but you should vote for her? Come on.

[GeorgeGist]

58. OFFS ...

[TheBlackAdder]

62. Junior Senator? Man, a lot of people are adopting Trump's style.