Step one: angry speeches. Step three: single payer. Step two?????

[YouDig]

What's the plan here, Bernie? How is refusing to concede an election you lost by double digits going to get us to single payer?

[HumanityExperiment]

1. lots o' energy spent by HRC supporters as it pertains to Bernie....

n/t

[YouDig]

2. So what do you think step two is? Does anyone have any idea?

[HumanityExperiment]

14. LOL.. what you're doing IS step two... HRC supporters losing their minds

n/t

[YouDig]

16. So that's it? He just wants to piss of the Democrats and help Trump? It's just spite and vengeance?

It's not going to get us to single payer, but somehow I doubt he cares about that anymore, if he ever even did.

[HumanityExperiment]

18. perspective... being 'pissed' is all on YOU, he didn't force you to be pissed

and specifically, he's pissing off establishment D, and he's clearly stated he is going to help to defeat Trump

He's not doing the 'help' as you'd want it be and again that's on YOU not him, he's made the decision to assist as he sees fit

So ask yourself why you are unable to let it go, if Bernie isn't really a factor any longer why are you dedicating so much time and effort towards him?

[YouDig]

19. It's not me, it's the Democratic Party that he's pissing off by helping Trump.

Yeah, he stated that he is going to help defeat Trump, but his actions are helping Trump. If he wants to help defeat Trump, then stop the anti-Democratic rhetoric and get behind our nominee.

I didn't say Bernie's not a factor. He has no chance of being nominee, but he can still be a strong pro-Trump factor in the general election if he keeps this up.

[HumanityExperiment]

20. says you...

you're entitled to your own perspective but you're not entitled to you own facts

why would he heed anything HRC or her supporters have to say about how Bernie should carry on with what Bernie believes needs to be done to defeat Trump?

AGAIN, So ask yourself why you are unable to let it go, if Bernie isn't really a factor any longer why are you dedicating so much time and effort towards him?

[YouDig]

21. Again, Bernie can be a strong pro-Trump factor if he keeps this up. You're the only one

saying he's not a factor. He's not a factor when it comes to the Democratic nomination, Hillary won that one, but he can certainly be a big help to Trump.

And if Bernie thinks that refusing to concede and endorse, and criticizing the Democratic party is the way to help defeat Trump, he is dumber than I thought.

[HumanityExperiment]

22. I'm stating the facts

Bernie is his own man, if you believe he's not a man of his word then that's on you to prove

His history on keeping his word is easily available...

if you want to throw around the term 'dumb' you may want to factor in this question 'ask yourself why you are unable to let it go, if Bernie isn't really a factor any longer why are you dedicating so much time and effort towards him?'

[YouDig]

24. Keeping his word as in "I'd be a hypocrite to run as a Democrat"? Is that what you have in mind?

And it's hard to believe you still don't get that Bernie can be a factor helping Trump in the general without being a factor in Democratic primary. Is it really so complicated?

[HumanityExperiment]

26. I get facts, let those shape perception...

the only 'complication' is your continued attempt with the narrative you're trying to foist here

again... ask yourself why you are unable to let it go, if Bernie isn't really a factor any longer why are you dedicating so much time and effort towards him?

[YouDig]

27. Again Bernie is a factor. He's a pro-Trump factor.

[HumanityExperiment]

28. Bang that drum...

Appears you REALLY like that tune...

Have a day!

[YouDig]

29. It's the truth!

[AgingAmerican]

32. You made it up

[floriduck]

9. July 25th, she will be the nominee. She's presumptive now. Nothing will change other than

silence beginning Monday.

[Demsrule86]

11. Not for long

After the convention...she is the nominee and he better find a better way to raise money as the primary is over by all measures.

[HumanityExperiment]

13. LOL...now dismissive about the activity during convention?...

noted

[randome]

35. The energy lost is when Sanders tries to preach to the converted.

Next thing you know, he'll be telling us we should support gay rights.

[HumanityExperiment]

36. Like this?...

[randome]

38. 14 years ago, she was against gay marriage, no disputing that.

But we know where she and the Democratic Party stand now. My point is that Sanders gives speech after speech telling us what we already know and agree about. What's the point? He should have been a preacher.

[HumanityExperiment]

41. Irony

your post is the 'poster child' for that term

[eastwestdem]

39. It's just so fun! He's so off the deep end! nt

[HumanityExperiment]

40. ahh ok, TT angle, got it

n/t

[Silver_Witch]

3. Wow another angry Hillary supporter. Amazing!

Bernie certainly gets under your bonnet eh! Go do something outside. You will feel better!

[YouDig]

4. So what do you think step 2 is? What's his plan? Just to help Trump and annoy Dems? Is that it?

[killbotfactory]

5. Get his supporters to vote.

Election day is about more than the presidency.

[Demsrule86]

12. Not with five court picks at stake

you think the Dems can resist court picks for four years...it won't happen. But I am glad you said this...it is as I expected he and you all are not trying to defeat Trump.

[killbotfactory]

15. You don't get it. With Trump, we are on the verge of democrats retaking power at all levels.

Don't worry, it won't come at Clinton's expense.

[Juicy_Bellows]

6. It's a little different.

Phase 1 - collect underpants.
Phase 2 - ?
Phase 3 - profit.

[TheBlackAdder]

7. It's funny seeing your head explode over issues that are obvious to PoliSci 102 students.

[hobbit709]

8. Step two from you

[Adrahil]

10. Step 2: The revolution happens!!

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M42f74ffc2687837e2ec0c8e64560c27ao0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=261&h=179



If you want a reasonable plan, you're obviously just a corporatist Shillbot!

[redstateblues]

17. Bernie has/had no plan whatsoever

Only a long litany of complaints. He is an anger and envy merchant. The fact he only had 218,000 viewers for his ballyhooed streaming speech shows how few of his supporters are committed. He lost a lot of leverage last night.

[jonestonesusa]

23. Step 2A is for Democratic officeholders to resist health insurance PACs and support single payer.

Step 2B is for rank and file Democrats, including on DU, to discuss issues using critical thought and comparison of policy options rather than snark. It shouldn't take Sanders for Step 2B - that's on you.

[YouDig]

25. OK, that's a plan. Getting Democratic officeholders to support single payer.

But annoying those very Democratic officeholders by refusing to concede and endorse is not going to accomplish that. If anything, it will make them more resistant to working with Bernie in the future.

Here on DU, Berners are loving the fact that elected Dems and the DNC are getting annoyed with Bernie, just out of personal animosity towards the party. But annoying the people you need is not a good way to forward your policy agenda.

[jonestonesusa]

30. At the end of the day, it's about the issues and not about Bernie.

The Sanders campaign earned 40% plus support among Dem primary voters because it focused on the issue positions that are supported by a majority of Democrats and passionately advocated by many liberal Democrats for decades, only to get the back of the hand as the mainstream party trots out Dukakis, Kerry, Mondale, and every other milktoast moderate that can be found. Officeholders are going to have to live with the fact that a large percentage of the rank and file voters are dissatisfied with the current direction of the party. And why wouldn't they be, given the gravity of the issues faced and sad fact that Hillary Clinton, after running for president for 25 years, still polls only 8-12% better than a certified lunatic? Sitting down and shutting up serves no purpose whatsoever. This fight about the values of the Democratic party is way overdue and we are all better off having it, in the short run and the long run.

[YouDig]

34. I get that's what he wants, but I don't see the mechanism. He ran a strong campaign, but

lost, and by a lot. The intramural fight is over, and Bernie lost it. Now comes the fight against Trump.

I don't see any way that Bernie holding out an endorsement gets any of his policies any closer to reality. And by helping Trump in the meantime, he gets his policies further away from reality.


Just saying that he wants to "fight" against the Democratic Party doesn't mean much. Especially if he actually cares about the issues. If he only wants to scold mainstream Dems for being too centrist, well, yeah, he gets to do that now, and a lot of his supporters really like that. But getting progress on issues is a whole different thing.

And by the way, the thing stopping the progress is the GOP, not the Dems. Something Bernie would figure out pretty quick if he became president.

[AgingAmerican]

33. The only one annoyed is you

Why? Lord only knows...

[Chathamization]

31. Step 2, ballot initiatives like the kind Colorado is going to be voting on in November

Or, as another poster said, trying to get Democratic voters to vote for Democratic candidates that support single-payer. Neither of these are particularly difficult, but they need people to do them.

[QC]

37. Maybe he could partner with a professional character assassin

to direct an army of professional trolls to disrupt every social media platform and message board on earth.

[GeorgeGist]

42. What's your plan to stop?