“Call me crazy but, I’d say that this election was being ripped right out from under us"

[J_J_]

Brian Lis of Los Angeles, a Bernie Sanders activist, argued that in L.A. County it seems to him that it actually was rigged. He said that reports that came in from the election from voters, poll inspectors and poll workers showed four consistent trends in L.A. County’s primary election, including voters forcibly switched to a “Vote-by-Mail” status, but never receiving ballots, machines that either miscounted ballots or “errored out on certain candidates,” young voters given provisional ballots, and older voters’ party affiliations forcibly changed.

“You can go through the testimonies yourself: bit.ly/1UPXrMQ,” Lis writes, “Call me crazy but, I’d say that this election was being ripped right out from under us — stolen, by those in power who have a lot to lose by letting regular Americans speak their minds.”

http://www.inquisitr.com/3213012/poll-inspectors-in-l-a-county-submit-testimonies-to-board-of-supervisors-regarding-california-primary-issues-video/

[stonecutter357]

1. good lord.

[rhett o rick]

23. So you've got the 2-min duty? LOL. How sad.

[stonecutter357]

31. Hi rhett o rick.

[XRubicon]

2. "I'm calling him crazy"

[RobertEarl]

48. What's crazy is...

That we sit back and let them jack the vote. The real crazy people are the ones who look the other way at the signs of our votes being jacked.

[elleng]

3. 'stolen, by those in power who have a lot to lose by letting regular Americans speak their minds.”'

[msongs]

6. so everybody who voted for someone else besides bernie is not a regular american. got it nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. What a hurtful thing to say; those who disagree with us aren't real Americans.

[rhett o rick]

24. No one said that.

[bettyellen]

33. They said we were not "regular American" which means what exactly?

[rhett o rick]

36. No one said that. No one said you or anyone else weren't regular Americans.

The point is that the Wealthy and Powerful have shut out millions of regular Americans from the system. Those that side with the Rich and Powerful don't care. Hell, the DNC didn't want a lively primary. And what could be more Democratic than a lively primary. Some don't like democracy and want a Clinton Aristocracy and some of us will fight that all the way.

[ChiciB1]

49. You Know, As WE Keep Trying To Make Them See Or Help Them Hear...

I've found out that I've heard some of the MOST Astounding and as much as I don't really want to say this... the STUPIDEST stuff posted here at DU!

Why keep feeding those whose bellies are so full of... OH, I'll keep it nice... full of STUFF! They only want to argue and belittle, disrupt and belittle anyone who disagrees with them. I guess some here have fun with it, but it really is sad and depressing to many of us who want this country to MOVE FORWARD and help those less fortunate.

[rhett o rick]

58. I agree. They are blinded by there devotion. They don't really care about those

among us that are struggling. They can somehow rationalize that corporate profits are more important than the 2,500,000 homeless American children.

There are only two sides to the class war and they ain't on the side of the 99%.

[LiberalArkie]

81. Results

On Sat Jun 18, 2016, 10:47 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2200445

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[bettyellen]

54. It's in the OP Rick.

[Beowulf]

76. Is this like "people who don't support Hillary aren't real Democrats?"

[arikara]

79. Brilliant interpretation of the article.

/sarcasm just in case you thought I really meant it.

[madokie]

15. And that is what is happening all over this country

[840high]

40. and not just this year.

[pdsimdars]

64. I like the way Debbie the sane progressive put it, she said we have lost the

ability to make our will be known at the ballot box, all that is left is the street.

[Gomez163]

4. You lost by 400,000 votes in California. Get over it.

[Fozzledick]

13. Are you deliberately paraphrasing Jeb Bush from 2000?

Or have you wound up at the same position on your own?

[kayakjohnny]

29. Cant wait for you to see what you're really supporting.

I would rub it in your face, like you're doing now.

But I won't be here for that.

Mark my words... you will regret your ignorance.

[Live and Learn]

66. + a gazillion. nt

[msongs]

5. actual before fraud vote totals: bernie sanders 300 trillion, everybody else combined ZERO nt

[XRubicon]

7. + 100 trillion brazillion with infinity too

[rhett o rick]

26. LOL.

[eastwestdem]

8. Why doesn't any legitimate news source carry such stories? Oh yeah, they have been paid off or are

on the side of Hillary. Or maybe they know something you don't.

[Jester Messiah]

38. According to the Guccifer 2 leaks yeah, they were.

They were in on it from the get-go.

[840high]

41. There are no legitimate news

sources in the US. That's why I prefer foreign press.

[anigbrowl]

55. Not one! Lies, I tell you, lies!

[reformist2]

78. You've answered your own question -you dismiss any news source as illegitimate if they do talk about

[Lord Magus]

9. Yep Brian Lis, I'm calling you crazy.

[NurseJackie]

10. ...

You guys crack me up!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. My lawyer friend told me alleging fraud where no fraud exists can get your license pulled.

He said it's called vexatious litigation.

[peace13]

14. Well at least there are a few honorable lawyers willing to fight for free and fare elections.

If you aren't aware of the problems with our system you should educate yourself! If your friend is unaware ....well there's nothing I can say about that.

[NurseJackie]

16. I'm not at all in favor of fare elections.

peace13
14. Well at least there are a few honorable lawyers willing to fight for free and fare elections.

If you aren't aware of the problems with our system you should educate yourself! If your friend is unaware ....well there's nothing I can say about that.

[840high]

42. Too much time on your hands?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. My friend and I are very well educated but we appreciate your concern.

Have a lovely weekend.

[rhett o rick]

27. This countries election process is worse than 23 other countries but plays into the hands

of the Corporate run Oligarchy. Those that choose to side with them must not like to fight for freedoms and liberties.

[TwilightZone]

22. Which is why no one in any official capacity is making these claims.

[WhiteTara]

18. Okay, you're crazy. nt

[NurseJackie]

19. Well ... the writer asked for it.

[WhiteTara]

20. And I couldn't resist.

I tried, but my fingers just typed away!

[TreasonousBastard]

21. I heard there are up to 3,000,000 uncounted ballots...

Really.

There could be 3,000,000 uncounted ballots in California. Maybe millions more in other states that have closed out their elections.

That means Bernie could have won in a landslide.

Somebody's got to lay off the weed.

[Retrograde]

47. Only 1.2M as of COB today

That's for all of California: more than half of those are provisional ballots, which have to be processed individually (why do you suppose a month of counting time is built into the process?)

Many people seem to have difficulties grasping the magnitude of the numbers in California. Los Angeles county itself has nearly 5 million registered voters, about a third of whom bothered to vote last week. Several dozen people complaining about possibly real problems does sound like a lot, but even just looking at the ~2M that bothered to vote an error rate of .01% in checking in voters, updating registrations, mistyping addresses, etc. means that there would be about 200 screwups. Throw in casual voters who haven't checked they're registration in years (since California went to an open primary system for everything other than president, the last time party mattered in a primary was in 2012) and didn't bother to read any of the information the state and counties sent out, or who thought that signing up for the American Independent Party was the same as not signing up for a party at all, and filter that throw websites looking for problems and it looks like a mess. A few hundred people encountering difficulties at the polls in a small state like Vermont (pop. 600K) is probably a sign of systemic problems: the same number of problems in a state of 40M people is noise in the system.

[TreasonousBastard]

59. I know about provisional ballots here in NY and...

they rarely have any effect on the outcome, but they are a pain to verify. So, why would a stressed BoE bother with them if things aren't microscopically close...

There's a lot of tinfoil out there.

[Retrograde]

83. First, it's state law

all valid provisional ballots must be counted, which means they all have to be checked first to determine if they're valid. That's one reason why counties have about a month after the election to finalize their counts.

Second, we almost always have multiple races on our ballots, since we do all the primaries at once and we like to stick various propositions on as well. In this election some of the races for the 2nd place finisher for various Congressional seats (the top two finishers in each contest go on to the general in November) are within a couple hundred votes - less than the number of uncounted ballots for the district in some cases. And the more local the race the narrower the margins get: I'm paying an extra 0.25% county sales tax because it was approved by a margin of fewer than ~300 votes - in a county with 1.5 million people at the time. So while Sanders may be leading 80%-20% in the presidential race in a particular county, the race for county supervisor may well have a razor-thin margin and shift as each ballot is counted.

You can see a more or less recent tally of unprocessed California ballots here, along with more data from the June 7 election than most states provide. IMHO, the margin between Clinton and Sanders will narrow as more ballots are counted, but I don't expect any big swings in delegate counts.

[TreasonousBastard]

84. We don't throw propositions into primary ballots, and we don't...

mix up races-- three or four separate primaries and all the props go into November's ballot. So we're not big on counting primary provisionals, even though our state law demands it, too.

I'm not saying this is a good way to do it, in fact many of us think it sucks and lowers turnout while costing too much.

NJ is even more fun, since the governor sets up the primaries, and Christie has been known to adjust them to his own ends.

[Starry Messenger]

25. CA ballot trutherism is getting fucking old.

[rhett o rick]

28. Is "trutherism" the best you can do? What is getting old is the domination of our

elections system and government by the Big Money Special Interests that choose Clinton. Strange that Democrats would side with the 1% over the 99%. I guess they like the comfort (perceived) of siding with the biggest bully (Big Corporations)

[Starry Messenger]

30. Your answering machine message needs a switch-up

[GulfCoast66]

39. Who knew?

I am big money special interest? Wish it came with a little more money!

Because it is this big money special interests and about 16 million more just like me that chose Clinton.

[SidDithers]

63. If the shoe fits...nt

Sid

[kayakjohnny]

34. And yet, here you are...

still online reading about it and getting upset over it.

And posting about your upsettedness.

Instead of shelving it because of your extreme confidence in your choice.

[Starry Messenger]

35. I'm sure you think you're adorable.

[kayakjohnny]

37. Yes, well... people do tell me that.

Thank you.

[bravenak]

32. Stolen by whom? Monority voters and women outvoting them? Not fair to say stolen

2000 was stolen. This is called outvoting you

[brooklynite]

43. I stand firmly with Bernie Sanders...

...who hasn't complained once about the integrity of the California Primary.

[mwrguy]

44. You're crazy.

[pdsimdars]

65. Nice, substantive response

[pnwmom]

45. Anyone who takes the Inquistr seriously is crazy. n/t

[Juicy_Bellows]

46. I think the proper response should be that no one, regardless of party or candidate

should tolerate even the slightest impropriety during the voting process, anything less is.... well, uncivilized.

[LoverOfLiberty]

50. Call me crazy

but I think that some Sanders supporters are poor losers.

[RandySF]

51. .

[jcgoldie]

52. Ripped out

By many many more people voting for the opposing candidate FFS.

[sadoldgirl]

53. Heck,what is the thinking here! There were no

"irregularities" in this primary/caucus on the Republican
side! The exit polls agreed very nicely with the results.

The other party? Oh, I think the PTB took care of their
system. I think that the Sanders campaign can wait till
eternity to get even the raw counts from the beginning
in IA.

However, let's see what happens in November. I wonder
by now which of the two parties is more successful in
cheating. What fun to watch that!

[AzDar]

56. K & R

[Rockyj]

57. I know the system is rigged...

But can someone please let us know if we can file lawsuit against DNC because we contributed to #Bernie2016 campaign but DNC already RIGGED it for him to lose?

[Live and Learn]

68. That is not a bad idea. nt

[Cane4Dems]

60. wahhhh wahhh

you lost get over it. what a bunch of sore losers. Honestly you all should just join GOP because you fit their mold of "my way or the highway"

What strikes me odd is how you guys dismiss all of Hillary's votes- because as we have seen yall consistently want to undermine minorities as well. In numerous discussions on this board I have seen how most of you bernistas don't give a shit about protecting minorities rights- its all about that economic equality!

Well while the rest of us join together and work towards beating trump and electing the 1st female president...have fun spending your summer sending money to a guy who could care less about you- he's just focused on earning more cash for his retirement slush fund (and probably scouting the country for the next college that his wife can wreck)

[Live and Learn]

69. Here is what you don't get. We are questioning whether Hillary's votes were actually real.

I don't expect it will bother you even when they are proven false much like some of her recent memories.

[brush]

77. She won by a pretty large margin. So what percentage of those do you think aren't real?

The African American votes, the Latino American votes, Asian American votes — which of these don't really count?

[Live and Learn]

85. It doesn't matter. It makes a mockery of democracy to pretend voting accuracy doesn't matter. nt

[B Calm]

61. K&R

[SidDithers]

62. Oh FFS...

Sid

[gollygee]

67. Yeah, it's crazy

There are always going to be clerical errors anywhere there's paperwork, but to assume every one, or even a majority, would have gone to Bernie is crazy enough. To assume Hillary or the DNC is behind it is a step crazier.

[Live and Learn]

70. Just 'little mistakes,' right? nt

[gollygee]

71. Not enough to swing the election, and no reason to believe

Hillary wasn't hurt more by it than Bernie. These conspiracy theories are full of pointless and absurd speculation.

[Live and Learn]

72. No use investigating to be sure since you already know, right?

Ever heard the phrase where there is smoke there is fire? True in most cases, tin-foil hat or no.

[gollygee]

73. I think it's worth investigating

Only because any clerical problems should be cleared up. It was not done by Hillary. Bernie won my state (and I voted for him.) Does the DNC not care about Michigan? We have clerical problems too, but conspiracy theorists don't care about problems in states Bernie won. They assume every clerical issue was done by Hillary and benefited her.

I used to think every election was rigged and that Obama could never win because the Republicans wouldn't let him. I learned that elections aren't actually as unfair as I thought.

[brush]

80. Yep! We've seen throughout the campaign that there are only complaints in states Sanders loses.

In states where he won, no complaints at all.

And one thing that needs pointing out, in states where he won, there have been no complaints from the Clinton camp.

REPEAT, NO COMPLAINTS FROM THE CLINTON CAMP.

That says quite a lot right there. The veteran campaign workers on the Clinton side know you win some and you lose some. That's how it works. You just try to win more than you lose.

Maybe Sanders didn't have as many experienced campaign operatives as Clinton, after all, didn't one of Sanders' top people previously run a comic books store?

And even with all the rigging complaints and histrionics, this election has not been that close.

[kstewart33]

74. Geez, things are getting really nasty.

Less than 48 hours, guys and all this nastiness will be over.

[Live and Learn]

87. Actually, it is just beginning. nt

[NorthCarolina]

75. It is a power the establishment has to remain in control, and they used it; repeatedly. -nt-

[felix_numinous]

82. Calling this crazy or deluded is EASIER than facing the truth

and facing that Americans have been betrayed. This country has been weaned on superheroes, it's human nature to want to have heroes and heroines, and to fight tooth and nail against having them knocked down.

But we have to grow up and face the HARD reality of requiring a government that will back us up in the coming years, not suppress the voices of millions of people. This cannot be the way forward, we need REPRESENTATION.

Americans have grown up past being forced down a destructive path.

[YouDig]

86. Brian Lis of Los Angeles, Bernie Sanders activist, you are crazy.

[Live and Learn]

88. Isn't it time for you to move beyond name calling? nt