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riversedge

(70,185 posts)
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:55 PM Jun 2016

"Hillary Clinton won the Democratic presidential primary by 387 pledged delegates and 3.7 million vo

I think the article is a nice summary.



 The Democratic Primary Wasn’t Rigged

http://www.thenation.com/article/the-democratic-primary-wasnt-rigged/

But now Clinton and Sanders supporters should unite on making it easier to vote.
By Ari Berman



Yesterday 10:43 am





Hillary Clinton won the Democratic presidential primary by 387 pledged delegates and 3.7 million votes.

Despite this large margin, some of Bernie Sanders’s most strident supporters have attributed Clinton’s lead to foul play, alleging that the Democratic Party’s nominating rules cost Sanders the nomination and the Clinton campaign deliberately suppressed pro-Bernie votes. These claims, which have circulated widely online, are false. My colleague Joshua Holland, who supports Sanders, has extensively debunked many of these conspiracy theories, but I want to add more detail now that the primary is over. (I’ve been neutral throughout the race and do not endorse candidates.)



First off, the party’s rules were not the deciding factor.
Sanders has rejected the idea that the nomination was “rigged” but has repeatedly criticized things like superdelegates and closed primaries, in which Independent and unaffiliated voters can’t participate. Here’s what he told Face the Nation in late May:

What has upset me, and what I think is—I wouldn’t use the word rigged, because we knew what the rules were—but what is really dumb is that you have closed primaries, like in New York state, where three million people who are Democrats or Republicans could not participate, where you have situation where over 400 superdelegates came on board Clinton’s campaign before anybody else was in the race, eight months before the first vote was cast.


That’s not rigged. I think it’s just a dumb process, which has certainly disadvantaged our campaign.

Clinton did do better than Sanders in closed primaries, winning 17 to his 9, but she also won more open primaries than he did, 13 to 10. Anti-democratic caucuses, where Sanders did very well, hurt Clinton far more than closed primaries hurt Sanders, writes Nate Cohn of The New York Times:

Sanders was generally hurt by closed primaries. By our estimates, he did about 3.5 points worse in such contests. But most states aren’t closed, so Mr. Sanders wasn’t hurt that badly over all. And Mrs. Clinton was hurt more by caucuses, where she did about 10 points worse, according to the same model.

If every contest in the country had been an open primary, Mrs. Clinton’s delegate lead would have grown.
She would have lost ground in some of the contests, gained ground in the states with large numbers of anti-Obama registered Democrats (Oklahoma, West Virginia and Kentucky), and gained lots of ground in Western caucuses—where Mr. Sanders earned most of his big delegate hauls.

Over all, Mrs. Clinton would have about a 12-point lead in pledged delegates if every state had an open primary, according to our estimates.

Nor did superdelegates decide the nomination for Clinton. They gave her a symbolic early lead and momentum, but Clinton’s pledged delegate lead over Sanders was three times larger than Obama’s margin over Clinton in 2008, under the same rules. I’m in favor of abolishing superdelegates or curtailing their influence, but it’s worth remembering that they’ve followed the pledged-delegate winner in every presidential contest since their creation in 1984.


Secondly, the Clinton campaign did not intentionally try to suppress the votes of Sanders supporters.
Some Sanders supporters point to Arizona, where there were five-hour lines in Phoenix’s Maricopa County during the March 22 primary, as a glaring example of malfeasance. But those lines occurred because Republican clerk Helen Purcell cut the number of polling places from 200 in 2012 to just 60 in 2016—a decision made possible by a 5-4 conservative majority on the Supreme Court gutting the Voting Rights Act and ruling that states like Arizona no longer had to approve their voting changes with the federal government. .............................
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"Hillary Clinton won the Democratic presidential primary by 387 pledged delegates and 3.7 million vo (Original Post) riversedge Jun 2016 OP
That's odd WayBeyondBlue Jun 2016 #1
In political terms, she won by a landslide. grossproffit Jun 2016 #5
Wake up jcgoldie Jun 2016 #7
K WayBeyondBlue Jun 2016 #10
Look up the meaning of presumptive nominee. You will learn something. riversedge Jun 2016 #18
Very good summary DesertRat Jun 2016 #2
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #3
Thanks for posting LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #4
Bush had a "mandate" too. WayBeyondBlue Jun 2016 #11
whatever LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #14
We'll see how the convention WayBeyondBlue Jun 2016 #15
Tock Hekate Jun 2016 #23
Tick Hekate Jun 2016 #22
Not a complaint, but I am a bit of a pedant rock Jun 2016 #6
TOO LATE, lol Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #9
That was actually my point WayBeyondBlue Jun 2016 #12
Yep. Thin-skin and sense-of-humor rock Jun 2016 #17
Great article Gothmog Jun 2016 #8
The Nation is reaping what it sowed. athena Jun 2016 #13
KNR Lucinda Jun 2016 #16
K & R Scurrilous Jun 2016 #19
Blasphemer!!!!!!!! JoePhilly Jun 2016 #20
KICK. KICK. KICK. KICK. KICK. KICK. Hekate Jun 2016 #21
K&R Not that it will do the TINIEST bit of damn good. The lie has Air Jordans on and wings while the Number23 Jun 2016 #24

WayBeyondBlue

(86 posts)
1. That's odd
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 09:34 PM
Jun 2016

I'm sure we would have noticed had the convention at which the Democratic Presidential nominee was selected, actually happened. Pretty sure it hasn't. What other predictions are in store, I wonder.

Also, kudos on the propo technique, using "million" instead of percentage, lest you allow anyone to realize that just less than half of folks allowed to vote in the Dem primaries didn't pick Clinton.

jcgoldie

(11,627 posts)
7. Wake up
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 10:27 PM
Jun 2016

The Democratic presidential nominee has been selected. Putting your head in the sand does not make you seem smart.

Response to riversedge (Original post)

LoverOfLiberty

(1,438 posts)
4. Thanks for posting
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 10:18 PM
Jun 2016

there are the deadenders that will never accept that Hillary won in a landslide because in their minds the only way they could possibly lose would be because they were cheated out of victory. Fortunately, reality has prevailed and democracy has won the day.

WayBeyondBlue

(86 posts)
11. Bush had a "mandate" too.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 12:13 AM
Jun 2016

So if you think that the folks who didn't vote for Clinton don't matter, how can you possibly expect them to want to work with you? Just gather around your echo chamber and roast a few marshmallows and expect a primary challenge in 2020.

WayBeyondBlue

(86 posts)
15. We'll see how the convention
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 12:45 AM
Jun 2016

and platform commitee go down. If the current attitudes of Clinton and her loudest supporters (here) hold, you'll see a lot of folks going Green.

rock

(13,218 posts)
6. Not a complaint, but I am a bit of a pedant
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 10:26 PM
Jun 2016

I believe the absolute precise form of the verb should have been "will have won". And we don't want to set off any thin-skinned supporters of the other candidates, now do we?

WayBeyondBlue

(86 posts)
12. That was actually my point
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 12:17 AM
Jun 2016

though I admit to being a tad snarky while making it. No sense of humor, these folks!

athena

(4,187 posts)
13. The Nation is reaping what it sowed.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 12:17 AM
Jun 2016

I used to love The Nation but was put off by their unquestioning embrace of Bernie and their hatred of Hillary. (There were a few individual contributors who were pro-Hillary, but the editorial board was anti-Hillary and pro-Bernie.)

Perhaps they are starting to recognize that they helped create a monster.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
24. K&R Not that it will do the TINIEST bit of damn good. The lie has Air Jordans on and wings while the
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:03 AM
Jun 2016

truth is on a busted up scooter with one wheel.

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