The House Sit-In for the Vote on Gun Sense has nothing to do with Sen. Sanders. (GD)

[Her Sister]

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Sen Sanders did not invent non-violent protest. Sen. Sanders is not a key figure in the fight for gun-sense!
Sen. Sanders did not invent crowds outside.


Rep. John Lewis wrote the book, he did not need Sen. Sanders. As a matter of fact Sen. Sanders has not been a key presence in the Filibuster or in the Sit-in this week. Also he did not ask crowds to support the HOUSE Sit-IN!

Here on Rep. John Lewis:

John Robert Lewis (born February 21, 1940) is an American politician and civil rights leader. He is the U.S. Representative for Georgia's 5th congressional district, serving since 1987, and is the dean of the Georgia congressional delegation. The district includes the northern three-quarters of Atlanta.

Lewis is the only living "Big Six" leader of the Civil Rights Movement, having been the chairman of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), playing a key role in the struggle to end legalized racial discrimination and segregation. A member of the Democratic Party, Lewis is a member of the Democratic leadership of the U.S. House of Representatives and has served as a Chief Deputy Whip since 1991 and Senior Chief Deputy Whip since 2003.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lewis_(Georgia_politician)

The son of an Alabama sharecropper, and now a sixth-term United States Congressman, John Lewis has led an extraordinary life, one that found him at the epicenter of the civil rights movement in the late '50s and '60s. As Chairman of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), Lewis was present at all the major battlefields of the movement. Arrested more than forty times and severely beaten on several occasions, he was one of the youngest yet most courageous leaders. Written with charm, warmth, and honesty, Walking with the Wind offers rare insight into the movement and the personalities of all the civil rights leaders-what was happening behind the scenes, the infighting, struggles, and triumphs. Lewis takes us from the Nashville lunch counter sit-ins to the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Alabama, where he led more than five hundred marchers on what became known as "Bloody Sunday." While there have been exceptional books on the movement, there has never been a front-line account by a man like John Lewis. A true American hero, his story is "destined to become a classic in civil rights literature." (Los Angeles Times)

EDIT TO INCLUDE EXAMPLES BELOW:
Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis
My point is that am hearing people trying to say that this is all happening thanks to Sen. Sanders and am disagreeing with that take

It's not an attack. I am proud to be a Democrat ! Our primary was better than the GOP primary. We learned some things. There are topics now on the plate that were not as much before perhaps. It's all good!

rhett o rick (55,824 posts)
6. I have always been proud to be a Democrat. Thank you John Lewis,

thank you progressive Democrats, that you Sen Sanders for lighting the fire.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512213859#post6

THIS

is exactly what Bernie was talking about. His opposition would mock him when they asked how are you going to get things done?
There is a crowd outside, and is growing as time goes on.

This is what he was talking about. We as a people rise up peacefully and demand they do their job.
Too bad some want to deny it. Bernie didn't invent it, he just remembered what it was like, how effective it was and how effective it still can be.

Not to take any thunder from John Lewis, as he is a strong leader, but this sit in idea was brought to him by Katherine Clark.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512213859#post14

Bernie's coming onto the House floor!

I believe the success of his movement has contributed to the Dems finally feeling motivated to stand up for justice

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027942333 143 Rec's !!! Yes go dig in that whole OP thread, bet gotta be good!

Bernie showed them what's it's like

To have a backbone ..

To have resolve to do what's right ...

To resist triangulation ... To face the issues head on ...

To have some guts to do what's right ...

I don't recall any other politician of note in the recent past who has shown the courage to fight for what's right ... Have you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027942333#post66

2cannan (343 posts)

43. Why didn't Lewis use this tactic before in Congress? There were all kinds of posts

from Clinton supporters about why didn't Bernie do something (start a revolution, run for president, whatever) 20 years ago, why did it take him until now to do something? When the same thing could be said about anyone at any stage of their life, including Hillary Clinton or John Lewis. I think the Democrats in Congress can't help but see after Bernie's huge rallies and the amount of fundraising he was able to do that there is a hunger in the country for progressive policies and that if they ask for it or just do something!, we'll have their back.

Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis

BTW in 2013 Rep. John Lewis got arrested for a sit-in in front of Capitol to try to advance immigration reform. BRAVO!
Not sure how this has anything to do with Katherine Clark?
http://clatl.com/freshloaf/archives/2013/10/08/congressman-john-lewis-adds-arrest-no-45-at-least-to-rap-sheet

Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis

[Her Sister]

1. Since Sen. Sanders likes the idea of crowds outside this would've been a great week for

him to ask his supporters to gather outside and support the filibuster or the Sit-In ! But I he did not!

Not that I heard...

[Vattel]

2. seems kind of petty

[Her Sister]

3. What is petty! You mean a stunt?

Not sure what do you mean?

[Vattel]

9. You seem to want to use the sit-in to dis Sanders.

[John Poet]

86. It reads like a TOS violation.

[Her Sister]

87. It was deleted earlier Today and reinstated!

[Silver_Witch]

7. And if Sanders had done just that he would have been called a grandstander!!

Just leave it alone please! This is not helping.

[Squinch]

56. People are saying this was BS's work. It was not. It is important to set the record straight.

If it should be left alone, that will have to be done by those who are making statements that attempt to distort the record.

[Separation]

147. Who are "these people"?

[Duckhunter935]

153. Nobody

Some are still intent in insulting a democrat

[Her Sister]

189. I edited the OP to add plenty examples/links and quotes

[Her Sister]

176. Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis.

rhett o rick (55,824 posts)
6. I have always been proud to be a Democrat. Thank you John Lewis,

thank you progressive Democrats, that you Sen Sanders for lighting the fire.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512213859#post6

THIS

is exactly what Bernie was talking about. His opposition would mock him when they asked how are you going to get things done?
There is a crowd outside, and is growing as time goes on.

This is what he was talking about. We as a people rise up peacefully and demand they do their job.
Too bad some want to deny it. Bernie didn't invent it, he just remembered what it was like, how effective it was and how effective it still can be.

Not to take any thunder from John Lewis, as he is a strong leader, but this sit in idea was brought to him by Katherine Clark.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512213859#post14

Bernie's coming onto the House floor!

I believe the success of his movement has contributed to the Dems finally feeling motivated to stand up for justice

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027942333 143 Rec's !!!

Yes go dig in that whole OP thread, bet gotta be good!

Bernie showed them what's it's like

To have a backbone ..

To have resolve to do what's right ...

To resist triangulation ... To face the issues head on ...

To have some guts to do what's right ...

I don't recall any other politician of note in the recent past who has shown the courage to fight for what's right ... Have you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027942333#post66

2cannan (343 posts)

43. Why didn't Lewis use this tactic before in Congress? There were all kinds of posts

from Clinton supporters about why didn't Bernie do something (start a revolution, run for president, whatever) 20 years ago, why did it take him until now to do something? When the same thing could be said about anyone at any stage of their life, including Hillary Clinton or John Lewis. I think the Democrats in Congress can't help but see after Bernie's huge rallies and the amount of fundraising he was able to do that there is a hunger in the country for progressive policies and that if they ask for it or just do something!, we'll have their back.

[pnwmom]

113. He wouldn't have been called a grandstander if he joined the vast majority

of Senate Democrats who came to support Chris Murphy's Senate filibuster.

[WhiteTara]

4. Well, he did stop by.nt

[Orsino]

14. That that does indeed count for something may have necessitated the OP. n/t

[Silver_Witch]

5. Representative John Lewis should be applauded!!!

He has shown that Democrats actually do care about the people!!! I had honestly given up hope that the party still represented me in any way! I am happy Mr. Lewis started this movement and hope we actually see it is good to do what the people want and not always try to compromise with Republicans who truly don't care!!!

I am glad our voices are being heard.

John Lewis for VICE PRESIDENT!!

[sufrommich]

6. Ignore the obvious trolling,that's my opinion.nt

[Mass]

8. Your point being?

(aside from a purely gratuitous attack on Sanders, of course?).

Clearly, this is a House action, so it seems clear it is not about Sanders (or Warren, or any of the Democrats who stopped in the House to show support, for the matter).

And Lewis is a giant in his own name, but why do you write this ? You are disrespecting Lewis and the other people doing the sit-in?)

[Her Sister]

11. My point is that am hearing people trying to say that this is all happening thanks to Sen. Sanders

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My point is that am hearing people trying to say that this is all happening thanks to Sen. Sanders and am disagreeing with that take

It's not an attack. I am proud to be a Democrat ! Our primary was better than the GOP primary. We learned some things. There are topics now on the plate that were not as much before perhaps. It's all good!

rhett o rick (55,824 posts)
6. I have always been proud to be a Democrat. Thank you John Lewis,

thank you progressive Democrats, that you Sen Sanders for lighting the fire.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512213859#post6

THIS

is exactly what Bernie was talking about. His opposition would mock him when they asked how are you going to get things done?
There is a crowd outside, and is growing as time goes on.

This is what he was talking about. We as a people rise up peacefully and demand they do their job.
Too bad some want to deny it. Bernie didn't invent it, he just remembered what it was like, how effective it was and how effective it still can be.

Not to take any thunder from John Lewis, as he is a strong leader, but this sit in idea was brought to him by Katherine Clark.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512213859#post14

Bernie's coming onto the House floor!

I believe the success of his movement has contributed to the Dems finally feeling motivated to stand up for justice

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027942333 143 Rec's !!!

Yes go dig in that whole OP thread, bet gotta be good!

Bernie showed them what's it's like

To have a backbone ..

To have resolve to do what's right ...

To resist triangulation ... To face the issues head on ...

To have some guts to do what's right ...

I don't recall any other politician of note in the recent past who has shown the courage to fight for what's right ... Have you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027942333#post66

2cannan (343 posts)

43. Why didn't Lewis use this tactic before in Congress? There were all kinds of posts

from Clinton supporters about why didn't Bernie do something (start a revolution, run for president, whatever) 20 years ago, why did it take him until now to do something? When the same thing could be said about anyone at any stage of their life, including Hillary Clinton or John Lewis. I think the Democrats in Congress can't help but see after Bernie's huge rallies and the amount of fundraising he was able to do that there is a hunger in the country for progressive policies and that if they ask for it or just do something!, we'll have their back.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512214344#post43

[jillan]

19. You couldn't be more wrong. All people have said is

this is just the type of protest that Bernie said is needed to get any major change accomplished in DC.

No one is giving him credit No one said this happened because of him.

[puffy socks]

36. Baloney

I have read an OP giving Bernie credit and several comments giving him credit for the Dem energy and guts to have a sit in

[Maru Kitteh]

102. x 1000

[Squinch]

57. Yes. People did.

[LongtimeAZDem]

79. False; some key responses from the thread:

"I believe the success of his movement has contributed to the Dems finally feeling motivated to stand up for justice."

"Bernie showed them what's it's like to have a backbone .."

"But without a new spirit among our Democrats, he might not have had so many with him."

"K&R! Bernie showed Dems that the people want courage"

"I agree - completely and totally - Thank you Mr. Sanders!"

"Leave it to Bernie to do this."

[Number23]

82. So much wrong, so much fail. So little time

I wish I was surprised by any of those responses but I'd be lying through my teeth.

[EffieBlack]

93. OMG!

[BlueCaliDem]

103. Dang. I didn't know about those. eom

[pnwmom]

114. You missed the posts where people where saying Bernie showed Dems

how to "grow a spine."

like this one, in which "Kudos John Lewis" comes as an after-thought.

Unprecedented spine. I credit Bernie Sanders for showing Dems how it's done

The people will rally.

There's unprecedented anger at Congressional gridlock.

Bernie showed the people will support this.

Kudos John Lewis.

[progree]

22. Really?

My point is that am hearing people trying to say that this is all happening thanks to Sen. Sanders

Link please. Sanders supporters say some goofy things sometimes, but so far I haven't seen/heard anyone say anything like that Sanders is making this all happening.

I think the whole thread is gratuitously refighting the primary. Please stop it.

Would you have preferred that Sanders not have dropped by and shown his support? Or not shown his support for the civil rights movement?

[Her Sister]

24. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512213859#post6

rhett o rick (55,824 posts)
6. I have always been proud to be a Democrat. Thank you John Lewis,

thank you progressive Democrats, that you Sen Sanders for lighting the fire.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512213859#post6

[progree]

26. Oh, ouch. Got me! n/t

[Her Sister]

28. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512213859#post14

THIS

is exactly what Bernie was talking about. His opposition would mock him when they asked how are you going to get things done?
There is a crowd outside, and is growing as time goes on.

This is what he was talking about. We as a people rise up peacefully and demand they do their job.
Too bad some want to deny it. Bernie didn't invent it, he just remembered what it was like, how effective it was and how effective it still can be.

Not to take any thunder from John Lewis, as he is a strong leader, but this sit in idea was brought to him by Katherine Clark.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512213859#post14

[progree]

30. Well, in #22, I did partly cover my ass with: "Sanders supporters say some goofy things sometimes"

(Likewise Hillary supporters, sometimes, to be fair)

[Her Sister]

44. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027942333

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Bernie's coming onto the House floor!

I believe the success of his movement has contributed to the Dems finally feeling motivated to stand up for justice

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027942333 143 Rec's !!!

Yes go dig in that whole OP thread, bet gotta be good!

[progree]

50. Ok, Ok. But I wonder if we will ever quit fighting the primary wars and start uniting

if every time somebody(s) says something idiotic, someone makes an OP out of it (thus magnifying it and throwing more fuel on the fire) and we're forever rehashing some aspects of the primary wars.

(Similarly if some Hillary supporter says something dumb about Hillary .... )

Its kind of like going nuclear because of a silly-ass comment or two or three or ... in a thread somewhere.

I can see and understand where you are coming from, but I wonder when all of this is going to end.

[Her Sister]

51. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027942333#post66

Bernie showed them what's it's like

To have a backbone ..

To have resolve to do what's right ...

To resist triangulation ... To face the issues head on ...

To have some guts to do what's right ...

I don't recall any other politician of note in the recent past who has shown the courage to fight for what's right ... Have you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027942333#post66

[Her Sister]

53. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512214344#post43

2cannan (343 posts)

43. Why didn't Lewis use this tactic before in Congress? There were all kinds of posts

from Clinton supporters about why didn't Bernie do something (start a revolution, run for president, whatever) 20 years ago, why did it take him until now to do something? When the same thing could be said about anyone at any stage of their life, including Hillary Clinton or John Lewis. I think the Democrats in Congress can't help but see after Bernie's huge rallies and the amount of fundraising he was able to do that there is a hunger in the country for progressive policies and that if they ask for it or just do something!, we'll have their back.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512214344#post43

[Squinch]

61. I have no doubt that MOST have already united to fight to get Hillary elected. But we are also

able to set the record straight when people distort it by giving credit to someone who does not deserve it and taking credit away from someone who does deserve it.

[progree]

64. Aww the Democratic circular firing squad in action. MOST? It sure doesn't seem like it.

Deal with it in-thread, not by setting up yet another OP is what I'm saying.

[Squinch]

65. I refer you to the polls. MOST is a fact, whether it seems so to you or not. Democrats are

actually quite united.

The poster should feel free to deal with it in the way he/she feels is best. You should feel free to either engage or not engage.

[progree]

66. I'm talking about here, not to some polls, regarding all the infighting.

I refer you to the polls. MOST is a fact, whether you "feel" it or not.

[Squinch]

68. There is no reason why requiring that Lewis and Clark get the appropriate credit for their actions

should cause infighting. If there were no suggestions that BS did this, and no one defending those who are suggesting it, there would be no infighting.

[DLCWIdem]

88. yea I just checked that thread

They did indeed try to give Bernie the credit calling Democrats spineless into the bargain.

[Lazy Daisy]

92. So tell me

as you want to use MY post.

What was Bernie's answer when asked how he would get all the things he wanted accomplished?

"Mitch McConnell looks at you the way he looks at President Obama and says forget about it," Matthews asked.

"And you know what I say," replied Sanders. "Hey Mitch, take a look out the window. There are a million people out there who don't want to be in debt for half of their life for the crime of going to college. And if you want to antagonize those people and lose your job, Mitch. If you don't want to lose your job you better start listening to what we have to say. That's the point. That's how change takes place."

Was it not to empower the people to demand change? Was it not doing exactly what we (Democrats) did with this sit-in?
People seem to not be able to read. My statement wasn't giving Bernie credit for the sit-in but to say this is how we get things done. Just as Bernie said he would get things done if elected.

Bernie says something and people can't wait to jump his shit. ANYBODY else and it's glorious. Sickening.

[Her Sister]

116. YEAR 2013: Rep. John Lewis adds arrest # 45 - after Peaceful SIT-IN Capitol ~ in 2013

2013

U.S. Rep. john Lewis, D-Atlanta, and seven other Democratic congressman were arrested today outside the Capitol in Washington, D.C., during an immigration protest.

According to Lewis' office, the civil rights icon was arrested at approximately 4:15 p.m. Buzzfeed reports that Lewis and fellow Congressmen Joe Crowley, Raul Grijalva, Luis Gutierrez, Jan Schakowsky, Keith Ellison, Al Green, Charlie Rangel joined more than 100 activists and started a "peaceful sit-in blocking a street in the front of the Capitol." The protest was part of the Camino Americano Rally for Immigrant Dignity and Respect, an effort to restart immigration reform in Congress.

Lewis has been placed in handcuffs "at least" 45 times, his spokeswoman says. He was arrested more than 40 times during the Civil Rights Movement. Since serving in Congress, he's been arrested five times.

"He was arrested twice at the South African embassy protesting apartheid, twice at the Embassy of the Sudan protesting genocide in Darfur and today he was arrested to demand dignity and respect for immigrants," his office said.

http://clatl.com/freshloaf/archives/2013/10/08/congressman-john-lewis-adds-arrest-no-45-at-least-to-rap-sheet

[Her Sister]

117. Yes in 2013 Rep. John Lewis got arrested for a sit-in in front of Capitol ! Arrest # 45~ in 2013

Your quote:

Not to take any thunder from John Lewis, as he is a strong leader, but this sit in idea was brought to him by Katherine Clark.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512213859#post14

BUT:

In 2013 Rep. John Lewis got arrested for a sit-in in front of Capitol

to try to advance immigration reform. BRAVO!
http://clatl.com/freshloaf/archives/2013/10/08/congressman-john-lewis-adds-arrest-no-45-at-least-to-rap-sheet

WOW IN 2013 !!

Rep. John Lewis is a hero!

Tell me again about Katherine Clark!?

[RoccoR5955]

52. Of course the Dem primary was better than the RepbuliCLOWN primary!

That is not saying anything. A primary of rocks would have brought up more issues than the RepubliCLOWN primary!
Sheesh!

Whether or not this happened due to Sanders' influence, give it a freakin' break already.

What sore winners!

[Her Sister]

54. Wow you called me a sore winner! Am in my place now!

Won't call out on anything from here on out! Thankee!!

[Squinch]

62. No, because there are still people saying "whether or not it happened due to Sanders's influence."

It did not happen due to Sanders's influence. When people stop saying he had something to do with it, others will stop pointing out the truth, which is that he did not.

[DLCWIdem]

89. It was said before in a thread but it bears repeating

Alot of times women and minorities feel marginalized because others take credit for their ideas. Sometimes without even knowing it. FOR EXAMPLE

A woman is part of a group and she makes several suggestions. Her ideas are poo pooed and dismissed but suddenly 10minutes later a man voices these same ideas maybe a worded a bit differently and the group starts running with it giving the credit to the man. Women's voices are even more marginalized.

[Squinch]

94. Yep. Exactly.

[PeaceNikki]

134. Very well said. Thank you!

[RoccoR5955]

146. Though I understand your point

I am certain that it is not true in all instances, and could even go in the reverse from time to time.

[Her Sister]

187. I edited the OP to add plenty examples/links and quotes

eom

[harun]

120. Sounds like you hear voices saying a lot of things. Might want to get that checked.

[Her Sister]

121. Here in DU: Read the thread, I posted examples... plus

[harun]

122. I see nothing wrong with that.

[Her Sister]

123. Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis.

Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis.

[sheshe2]

152. That was a personal attack.

I won't alert, yet it was a cruel personal attack. Stop it.

harun

120. Sounds like you hear voices saying a lot of things. Might want to get that checked.

[Duckhunter935]

154. And just who are they?

I know you will be able to post some actual links. To me it seems you just want to insult a fellow Democrat

[Her Sister]

171. lol! The whole thread! Read the whole thread

eom.

[Her Sister]

181. I edited the OP to add plenty examples/links and quotes

They exist! The truth is out there!. woooooooooooooooo woooooooooooo

[Her Sister]

177. Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis.

I added examples to the OP

[peace13]

10. Please delete this.

It is hurtful and unnecessary.

[Maru Kitteh]

104. When so many voices tried to deminish John Lewis and demean his character

by denying he could be the source of his own courage - JOHN LEWIS - then unfortunately, yes, it was necessary.

[Her Sister]

12. Perfect words from Rep. John Lewis

Going at it since he was a teen!

[liberalnarb]

13. This whole thread comes across as infighting bait.

[Her Sister]

142. Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis.

[Grassy Knoll]

15. Thank You For Posting This

[QC]

16. Are you using John Lewis as a pretext for continuing the primary bickering?

It looks that way.

[DLCWIdem]

40. What I think the poster is trying to do is to give credit where credit is due

However, there might be a tinge of irritation that one or two Bernie supporters were heralding Bernie for John Lewis' work. Which is not Sanders fault. In addition, in the past Lewis has received some critcisms for supporting Clinton. Maybe just rewording the OP and mentioning and educating democrats on Lewis and his leadersip in civil rights.

[Squinch]

63. A poster is trying to ensure that Lewis gets the appropriate credit for what he did. Are you

using the straw man of "primary bickering" to prevent her from doing that?

It looks that way.

[jillan]

17. Why did you bother to post this? No one said it did.

Wow. It's amazing to me how every little thing that happens is an opportunity to bash Bernie Sanders.

[NYC Liberal]

58. They're saying it right in this thread.

That this was somehow inspired by Sanders.

[AgadorSparticus]

95. You need to read upthread. Sanders supports DID give Bernie the credit.

Ridiculous as that may be...

[PowerToThePeople]

18. More Sanders bashing

Nice try at unity.

[B Calm]

25. Exactly!

[Her Sister]

144. Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis.

Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis.

[840high]

158. You are not a uniter.

[Her Sister]

188. Am not an uniter? Says you!

BTW I edited the OP to include examples, you big uniter you!

840high
158. You are not a uniter.

[Her Sister]

143. Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis.

Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis.

[B Calm]

20. Has anyone alerted on this hurtful OP?

[Her Sister]

23. Yes, it was deleted, but now reinstated.

Sorry if people take it as bashing or dissing. I meant it as clarifying.

[B Calm]

31. Yea, it's bashing.

[TDale313]

35. +1

[puffy socks]

37. Its the truth. Nt

[B Calm]

38. You still fighting the primary too?

[Her Sister]

41. ...

???

[puffy socks]

46. nope

I have no room for bullcrap either, and won't let it pass.

[JaneyVee]

49. One hasnt conceded yet, so....

[AgingAmerican]

73. The admins say its over

So it's time to let go...

[pnwmom]

115. This has to do with credit for his own agency being taken away from John Lewis

and handed over to someone else.

John Lewis, the 76 year old civil rights hero who led the march to Selma and got a fractured skull for his trouble.

Is that okay with you?

[AgingAmerican]

124. It has to do with primary supporters of one candidate

Refusing to let go...

[pnwmom]

125. This has nothing to do with the primary. It's about gun control

and who should get credit for the actions we've just had in the Senate and the House.

Senator Chris Murphy did the filibuster in the Senate; and John Lewis, Katie Clark, and John Larson spearheaded the effort in the House.

[NYC Liberal]

59. Where in the OP does it mention anything about the primary?

Bernie Sanders is still a US Senator, no? This is related to him as a Senator, not as a former candidate.

[DLCWIdem]

90. did you read the thread that she linked to by blue flower?

Actually read that thread before you say this is bashing. My post about margalization I'll post the number in a second post. Post 89

[B Calm]

97. You saying two wrongs make a right?

[DLCWIdem]

98. No I'm not

I am saying that she is right about them giving credit to Bernie. This OP isn't even really about Bernie. Its about taking credit and giving credit but its also about being marginalized. See my post no 89. Frequently women and minorities find that their voices are marginalized when people take credit for their ideas. Which is exactly what that linked post is doing.

[TDale313]

32. ...

[Her Sister]

39. ...

[Logical]

91. No doubt it was snark. WTF post this? Just another Hill fan still pissed off. nt

[Her Sister]

145. Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis.

Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis.

[William769]

21. Rep John Lewis is a great man.

[tonyt53]

27. I've always had great admiration and respect for John Lewis. HE walks the talk.

[elleng]

29. So?

Maybe it has something to do with Governor O'Malley, who IS a key figure in the fight for gun sense.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gov-martin-omalley/reinstate-the-combat-assa_b_10630392.html

https://martinomalley.com/policy/preventing-and-reducing-gun-violence/

Anyone notice?

[Maru Kitteh]

106. Seriously; can someone explain this rush to give credit to white men

For the leadership of John Lewis and Katherine Clark?

[elleng]

107. Clearly nobody noticed.

[Gothmog]

34. Congressman Lewis and Congresswoman Clark organized this protest

I applaud the work of Congresspersons Lewis and Clark in this protest

[Sheepshank]

42. It's not the first time Lewis and Clark forged a new path.....

I think Bernie's presence was nominal and perfunctory. But as said above about Lewis, he "...walks the talk"

[Gothmog]

47. Congressman Lewis is one of my heroes

[pandr32]

48. Love it!

[KMOD]

60. I love Congressman Lewis

[2cannan]

43. Why didn't Lewis use this tactic before in Congress? There were all kinds of posts

from Clinton supporters about why didn't Bernie do something (start a revolution, run for president, whatever) 20 years ago, why did it take him until now to do something? When the same thing could be said about anyone at any stage of their life, including Hillary Clinton or John Lewis. I think the Democrats in Congress can't help but see after Bernie's huge rallies and the amount of fundraising he was able to do that there is a hunger in the country for progressive policies and that if they ask for it or just do something!, we'll have their back.

[obamanut2012]

45. The murders of 49 mostly young hispanic gay men was the catalyst

NOT Senator Sanders.

I believe it is marginalizing their deaths, let alone the actions of Lewis and Clark and the others, to state otherwise.

[Her Sister]

118. Yes in 2013 Rep. John Lewis got arrested for a sit-in in front of Capitol ! Arrest # 45

Yes in 2013 Rep. John Lewis got arrested for a sit-in in front of Capitol

to try to advance immigration reform. BRAVO!

http://clatl.com/freshloaf/archives/2013/10/08/congressman-john-lewis-adds-arrest-no-45-at-least-to-rap-sheet

WOW IN 2013 !!

Rep. John Lewis is a hero!

[Squinch]

55. Kick. Suggesting that BS had anything to do with this is delusional.

[Her Sister]

67. Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis.

[AgingAmerican]

69. Just let go....

If we can, you guys can too..

[Her Sister]

71. Write that in this OP too:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027942333

The Blue Flower (2,368 posts)

Bernie's coming onto the House floor!

I believe the success of his movement has contributed to the Dems finally feeling motivated to stand up for justice.


143 rec's


249 replies, 8166 views

[LongtimeAZDem]

166. +1 (nt)

[bravenak]

70. It was ridiculous for people to state that it was because of him

This type of thing has been going on for over a year and I'll be glad when we can start giving credit where it's due rather than crediting one man with all powers.

[coco77]

72. Your bait isn't helping...

[Her Sister]

74. ...

???

[coco77]

77. Curious huh?

I am curious about how this is winning support for the nominee???

[Her Sister]

78. What do you say to the people saying the Filibuster and Sit-In had something to do with Sen Sanders

Here is a good place for you to start with this OP with about 240 replies:

Bernie's coming onto the House floor!

I believe the success of his movement has contributed to the Dems finally feeling motivated to stand up for justice

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027942333 143 Rec's !!!

[randome]

75. Eh. Some Sanders supporters are unhappy. Just refute them calmly and walk away.

Secure in the knowledge that you -and most of us non-Sanders supporters- were right all along.

[Maru Kitteh]

108. I don't think it's wise to ignore the belittlement of a civil rights icon

Women and minorities have our characters assailed and our accomplishments appropriated every day. Ignoring it doesn't make it go away.

[BlueMTexpat]

135. + a million! eom

[Maru Kitteh]

136. BlueMt, I lived in TX for two years

And every time I see your username, I have a little sads in my heart for you (sorry Texas). I hope you get to come home once in a while.

[BlueMTexpat]

137. I chuckled the other day when

someone suggested that people saw my name and believed I was male because of "Tex" - this was during a sub-thread where we were talking about how people seemed to give less weight to what women have to say, but when a man says the same thing, it magically becomes an excellent idea!

I chose the name to show three things: a) I am staunchly Blue (Dem!!!!); b) I am originally from MT; and c) I am an "expat" who lives abroad for the most part. But somehow, the name gets creatively shortened to attribute different meanings.

As a side note, I got in mild trouble several years ago during a security clearance background check because I stated that I had been an expatriate. Because the expatriate time period was during the 1960s, the young security officer immediately assumed that I had repudiated my country in protest against the Vietnam War - even after part of the time spent abroad was as a Peace Corps Volunteer (USG employee!) and while I, as a female, was never subject to the draft so there was no reason to flee the country. He insisted that "expatriate" meant that I was somehow disloyal and was going to recommend that my clearance be refused.

We sat down together with a dictionary and looked the word up so that he finally understood that an "expatriate" is simply a citizen who resides outside one's country of citizenship. There is no automatic adverse political connotation whatsoever.

But it did startle me as to the quality of education security personnel were receiving. Not a good feeling ....

[betsuni]

76. K&R

[Her Sister]

80. 2013: Congressman John Lewis adds arrest no. 45 - at least - to rap sheet

U.S. Rep. john Lewis, D-Atlanta, and seven other Democratic congressman were arrested today outside the Capitol in Washington, D.C., during an immigration protest.

According to Lewis' office, the civil rights icon was arrested at approximately 4:15 p.m. Buzzfeed reports that Lewis and fellow Congressmen Joe Crowley, Raul Grijalva, Luis Gutierrez, Jan Schakowsky, Keith Ellison, Al Green, Charlie Rangel joined more than 100 activists and started a "peaceful sit-in blocking a street in the front of the Capitol." The protest was part of the Camino Americano Rally for Immigrant Dignity and Respect, an effort to restart immigration reform in Congress.

Lewis has been placed in handcuffs "at least" 45 times, his spokeswoman says. He was arrested more than 40 times during the Civil Rights Movement. Since serving in Congress, he's been arrested five times.

"He was arrested twice at the South African embassy protesting apartheid, twice at the Embassy of the Sudan protesting genocide in Darfur and today he was arrested to demand dignity and respect for immigrants," his office said.

http://clatl.com/freshloaf/archives/2013/10/08/congressman-john-lewis-adds-arrest-no-45-at-least-to-rap-sheet

[Her Sister]

83. My my my!

No Thank You!

[Number23]

85. It's embarrassing that this OP was even necessary but clearly it was. And the screams from folks

about how "hurtful" the truth and some desperately needed history and perspective is around here make it even more so.

Kicked and Freaking Rec'd

[insta8er]

96. A historic sit in is happening and you care about who gets credit?

[realmirage]

99. I think it's valid to be proud of the "establishment" that

that has taken a lot of unfair criticism. The Democratic Party was strong before the primaries and it still is.

[Maru Kitteh]

101. Yes, to insinuate John Lewis needed external influence to show courage is disgusting

and people did and do care.

[Maru Kitteh]

100. Thank you so much for this post Sister, A THOUSAND TIMES, thank you

I have been incensed at those having the unmitigated gall to try and credit anyone other than Reps. John Lewis, and Katherine Clark for the leadership, determination and courage they showed, and their colleagues for joining in this historic moment.

John Lewis has been and is the epitome and example of courage for generations. He has the scars and broken body to prove it. To demean him or his character by stating or insinuating that he required any kind of external influence to source his courage is nothing short of despicable.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

105. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

lol

[Maru Kitteh]

110. Should little ladies and minorities should just smile politely

When we see our characters are assailed, our courage questioned and our ideas appropriated and ascribed instead to white guys? I don't think we should. When we see examples of this behavior, it should be called out, as it was in this thread. Progressives should be first in line to call out this behavior.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

111. lol - you are one of the funny ones

minorities should be loud and proud - and majorities should show respect

we sanders supporters are a minority - right?

[Maru Kitteh]

112. Only in the same sense that Ted Cruz supporters would be considered a minority. nt

[Cha]

109. No one gets to take that away from John Lewis, our National Treasure, HS.. Thank you!

Michael Skolnik
✔ ‎@MichaelSkolnik
I have an original print of this photo hanging in my office. Trust me, @RepJohnLewis is not afraid of @SpeakerRyan.
6:10 PM - 22 Jun 2016
1,753 1,753 Retweets 2,497 2,497 likes

https://theobamadiary.com/2016/06/23/early-bird-chat-774/



David Simas
✔ ‎@Simas44
Publicity stunt for standing against gun violence? Here's American hero @repjohnlewis. #NoBillNoBreak
3:36 PM - 22 Jun 2016
749 749 Retweets 980 980 likes

https://theobamadiary.com/2016/06/22/nobillnobreak-good-trouble/

[Her Sister]

119. Awesome photos Cha!

I can see and feel the courage in those photos! Putting everything in the line. WoW! Amazing! Such awesome strength of character and conviction! Real greatness!

[Vinca]

126. You should stop trashing Bernie. I'm really getting sick of it.

It's clear he's not going to be the candidate, but apparently your candidate winning is not enough for you. Bernie has been committed to social justice his entire life, he's friends with John Lewis and if he wants to join in the protest I think it's fabulous.

[Her Sister]

130. Not trashing Bernie. Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis.

Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis.

[Vinca]

132. No one is. And you are trashing Bernie.

Grandma said if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. Considering Hillary needs our votes you ought to listen to Grandma. I swear I'm going to start alerting on people. Rules are rules. I'm keeping my trap shut about your candidate and her multitude of problems and I expect you to lay off Bernie.

[Her Sister]

133. No one is? You haven't read this thread then. Plenty examples

Plenty...

Glad you say no one is because that means you think that's not cool:

Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis

.

[Her Sister]

186. I edited the OP to add plenty examples/links and quotes

eom.

[Vinca]

190. Bernie's not the candidate. Talk about Hillary and Trump.

If I posted links and quotes to things I'm watching about Hillary, my post would be yanked in a heartbeat.

[Her Sister]

191. Ah good to know. Now go to those links and tell them that!

[Vinca]

194. I don't have a clue what that means, but have a nice day anyway.

It would be nice if you would make an effort to unite rather than divide.

[Her Sister]

195. Thanks you too!

[Press Virginia]

127. They had nothing to do with sense at all

I can't believe members of my party have actually proposed using a secret list to deny rights to Americans who've not been convicted of a crime or even charged with one.

[HassleCat]

128. Kick him while he's down!

There, doesn't that feel good? I'm sure gratuitous insults will help all Democrats, up and down the ticket. Good work!

[Her Sister]

129. Were not insults. Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis.

[sheshe2]

155. I agree HasselCat.

John Lewis was beaten when he was down. Awful, wasn't it.

[Thinkingabout]

131. John Lewis has fought for people who did not even know he was fighting for them.

[Cha]

138. KICK!

[Arazi]

139. This thread is full of win

[DLCWIdem]

140. I just responded in that blue flower thread

That it should be up to John Lewis to decide who or what inspired him to protest. The more I think about the more paternalistic it sounds. That minorities and women need people to speak for them and tell them who inspired them.

[Her Sister]

141. That thread has 144 rc's! ~ Do people choose to be tone deaf even after we call them out on it?

Acting offended that we are offended! No, thank you!

Where the heck is the introspection! If many people are calling you out on something, hmmmm, maybe take a moment...

Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis.

Thank you DLCWIdem!

[DLCWIdem]

148. your welcome , Her Sister

I know and the more they were called on it the nastier some of the replies got.

[Jamaal510]

149. K&R

[Hiraeth]

150. nothing. nada. zip. zero. big. goose. egg.

[Duckhunter935]

151. Who said it was?

[sheshe2]

156. You may wish to read the thread.

Plenty of links and quotes.

[Duckhunter935]

157. Then it should be easy for you to link to them

I think you just like trashing Bernie

[sheshe2]

160. I am not your secretary.

And I am not taking your bait.

Night~

[Duckhunter935]

162. Thought you could not

Have a great night

[sheshe2]

163. Read post 79.

[Duckhunter935]

164. I am on a phone and they are not numbered

Found it, some quotes with no links, lol. My guess is they are not even real

[sheshe2]

165. Aaaah.

They are a little further down.

Scroll down, you can do this!!! I know you can. I have faith in you~

[Duckhunter935]

167. Nope, never saw the original posts

[sheshe2]

168. Lol~

[Grassy Knoll]

169. That's OK The Rest Of DU Sure Did..

[Her Sister]

179. I edited the OP to add plenty examples/links and quotes

Including this:

Bernie's coming onto the House floor!
I believe the success of his movement has contributed to the Dems finally feeling motivated to stand up for justice

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027942333 143 Rec's !!!

[Her Sister]

178. I edited the OP to add plenty examples/links and quotes

including link to this whole thread:

Bernie's coming onto the House floor!

I believe the success of his movement has contributed to the Dems finally feeling motivated to stand up for justice

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027942333 143 Rec's !!!

[Her Sister]

173. Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis.

rhett o rick (55,824 posts)
6. I have always been proud to be a Democrat. Thank you John Lewis,

thank you progressive Democrats, that you Sen Sanders for lighting the fire.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512213859#post6

THIS

is exactly what Bernie was talking about. His opposition would mock him when they asked how are you going to get things done?
There is a crowd outside, and is growing as time goes on.

This is what he was talking about. We as a people rise up peacefully and demand they do their job.
Too bad some want to deny it. Bernie didn't invent it, he just remembered what it was like, how effective it was and how effective it still can be.

Not to take any thunder from John Lewis, as he is a strong leader, but this sit in idea was brought to him by Katherine Clark.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512213859#post14

Bernie's coming onto the House floor!

I believe the success of his movement has contributed to the Dems finally feeling motivated to stand up for justice

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027942333 143 Rec's !!!

Yes go dig in that whole OP thread, bet gotta be good!

Bernie showed them what's it's like

To have a backbone ..

To have resolve to do what's right ...

To resist triangulation ... To face the issues head on ...

To have some guts to do what's right ...

I don't recall any other politician of note in the recent past who has shown the courage to fight for what's right ... Have you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027942333#post66

2cannan (343 posts)

43. Why didn't Lewis use this tactic before in Congress? There were all kinds of posts

from Clinton supporters about why didn't Bernie do something (start a revolution, run for president, whatever) 20 years ago, why did it take him until now to do something? When the same thing could be said about anyone at any stage of their life, including Hillary Clinton or John Lewis. I think the Democrats in Congress can't help but see after Bernie's huge rallies and the amount of fundraising he was able to do that there is a hunger in the country for progressive policies and that if they ask for it or just do something!, we'll have their back.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512214344#post43

[840high]

159. Huge UNREC for trying to divide us.

[Her Sister]

174. Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis.

My point is that am hearing people trying to say that this is all happening thanks to Sen. Sanders and am disagreeing with that take

It's not an attack. I am proud to be a Democrat ! Our primary was better than the GOP primary. We learned some things. There are topics now on the plate that were not as much before perhaps. It's all good!

rhett o rick (55,824 posts)
6. I have always been proud to be a Democrat. Thank you John Lewis,

thank you progressive Democrats, that you Sen Sanders for lighting the fire.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512213859#post6

THIS

is exactly what Bernie was talking about. His opposition would mock him when they asked how are you going to get things done?
There is a crowd outside, and is growing as time goes on.

This is what he was talking about. We as a people rise up peacefully and demand they do their job.
Too bad some want to deny it. Bernie didn't invent it, he just remembered what it was like, how effective it was and how effective it still can be.

Not to take any thunder from John Lewis, as he is a strong leader, but this sit in idea was brought to him by Katherine Clark.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512213859#post14

Bernie's coming onto the House floor!

I believe the success of his movement has contributed to the Dems finally feeling motivated to stand up for justice

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027942333 143 Rec's !!!

Yes go dig in that whole OP thread, bet gotta be good!

Bernie showed them what's it's like

To have a backbone ..

To have resolve to do what's right ...

To resist triangulation ... To face the issues head on ...

To have some guts to do what's right ...

I don't recall any other politician of note in the recent past who has shown the courage to fight for what's right ... Have you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027942333#post66

2cannan (343 posts)

43. Why didn't Lewis use this tactic before in Congress? There were all kinds of posts

from Clinton supporters about why didn't Bernie do something (start a revolution, run for president, whatever) 20 years ago, why did it take him until now to do something? When the same thing could be said about anyone at any stage of their life, including Hillary Clinton or John Lewis. I think the Democrats in Congress can't help but see after Bernie's huge rallies and the amount of fundraising he was able to do that there is a hunger in the country for progressive policies and that if they ask for it or just do something!, we'll have their back.

[Grassy Knoll]

161. Huge REC For The Truth!!!!

[JonLeibowitz]

170. I wish Bernie had nothing to do with it.

Pushing for racist watch lists which are used to deny constitutional rights without the protections of due process is sick.

Wish John Lewis wasn't involved either. Or the Dems at all. Let the GOP be the reactionaries who use the no fly list to profile Muslims and Arabs.

[treestar]

172. It was appalling to see that thread claiming Bernie inspired it

Some people are so damned obsessed with Bernie.

[Her Sister]

175. My point is that am hearing people trying to say that this is all happening thanks to Sen. Sanders

My point is that am hearing people trying to say that this is all happening thanks to Sen. Sanders and am disagreeing with that take

It's not an attack. I am proud to be a Democrat ! Our primary was better than the GOP primary. We learned some things. There are topics now on the plate that were not as much before perhaps. It's all good!

rhett o rick (55,824 posts)
6. I have always been proud to be a Democrat. Thank you John Lewis,

thank you progressive Democrats, that you Sen Sanders for lighting the fire.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512213859#post6

THIS

is exactly what Bernie was talking about. His opposition would mock him when they asked how are you going to get things done?
There is a crowd outside, and is growing as time goes on.

This is what he was talking about. We as a people rise up peacefully and demand they do their job.
Too bad some want to deny it. Bernie didn't invent it, he just remembered what it was like, how effective it was and how effective it still can be.

Not to take any thunder from John Lewis, as he is a strong leader, but this sit in idea was brought to him by Katherine Clark.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512213859#post14

Bernie's coming onto the House floor!

I believe the success of his movement has contributed to the Dems finally feeling motivated to stand up for justice

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027942333 143 Rec's !!!

Yes go dig in that whole OP thread, bet gotta be good!

Bernie showed them what's it's like

To have a backbone ..

To have resolve to do what's right ...

To resist triangulation ... To face the issues head on ...

To have some guts to do what's right ...

I don't recall any other politician of note in the recent past who has shown the courage to fight for what's right ... Have you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027942333#post66

2cannan (343 posts)

43. Why didn't Lewis use this tactic before in Congress? There were all kinds of posts

from Clinton supporters about why didn't Bernie do something (start a revolution, run for president, whatever) 20 years ago, why did it take him until now to do something? When the same thing could be said about anyone at any stage of their life, including Hillary Clinton or John Lewis. I think the Democrats in Congress can't help but see after Bernie's huge rallies and the amount of fundraising he was able to do that there is a hunger in the country for progressive policies and that if they ask for it or just do something!, we'll have their back.

[fun n serious]

180. Go Democrats!

Democrats are very united! Woo hoo!

[Her Sister]

182. Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis.

I added examples to the OP. Uniting is important and am not a divider/hater. I am a lover!

But will call Bullshit when I see it. No need to coddle people.

[fun n serious]

183. I agree!

Lets give credit where credit is due. Thank you John Lewis!

[Her Sister]

184. I added this too:

BTW in 2013 Rep. John Lewis got arrested for a sit-in in front of Capitol to try to advance immigration reform. BRAVO!

http://clatl.com/freshloaf/archives/2013/10/08/congressman-john-lewis-adds-arrest-no-45-at-least-to-rap-sheet

Let's not credit Bernie for the accomplishments of John Lewis

[fun n serious]

185. Bravo John Lewis!

Bravo all democrats who came together to help.

[Uponthegears]

192. Not buying it

This was a cheap attack on Sanders and his supporters, nothing less. What's more it was a deliberate attempt to rehash one of the ugliest political moments of a great man's life, a moment for which he, as the great man he his, has apologized.

Senator Sanders is not, never was, and never will be as great or courageous a man as John Lewis. He could no more teach John Lewis about peaceful resistance and revolution than he could teach him about being black. John Lewis didn't just bleed on the Pettus Bridge, he is still getting arrested, even now as an old man, at sit-ins and demonstrations. BUT your spinning what Sanders supporters are saying into a comparison between Sanders and Lewis is not just a straw man, it is a false, slanderous and intentionally divisive straw man.

John Lewis is an icon, he paid the price and pays it every day. But let's look at the REAL subjects of Sanders supporters' posts. The mainstream Democrats who have joined him. Where were they on Bloody Sunday? Where we're they when John Lewis was hauled off in handcuffs less than 10 years ago even though he was a sitting US Representative? Do you know who was there last time? It was Reps. Keith Ellison of Minnesota, Joseph Crowley of New York, Luis Gutierrez of Illinois, Al Green of Texas, Raul Grijalva and Charlie Rangel. Look at those names. Liberals, bomb throwers all. Where are the rest? Where were the Third Wayers? (Diversion alert -- be ready for where was Bernie) What has changed? Did they suddenly wake up and realize that they should have shown the same courage Lewis has shown for over half a century? What has changed?

I don't know whether it's Bernie, but what I do know is that this juvenile obsession with attacking Sanders, and, by proxy, liberals, by any means necessary is hurting this party.

Unite.

[Her Sister]

193. Okee!

[B Calm]

196. So you okee that this was a cheap attack on Sanders and his supporters, nothing less.

Got it!

[Her Sister]

197. No it was more of a Good to know, Go on, Be well!

Propagate! There was light ! and it was good!

All that packed in a little word: "Okee!"

[B Calm]

198. That's not how I would define the definition of Okee. LOL

[Uponthegears]

199. Now let's put

Hillary in the White House and give her a BLUE Congress!