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pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 06:18 PM Jun 2016

Note the demeaning formulation in this USA Today headline: Trump thumps Hillary.

There's a lot of that. But if they're going to call Hillary by her first name then they should be calling her opponent Donald.

Because otherwise it sounds like he's the serious, adult candidate.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2016/06/23/trump-thumps-hillary-cal-thomas/86250812/

Trump thumps Hillary: Cal Thomas

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-06-21/why-gay-men-are-gaga-for-hillary-and-how-trump-is-making-a-play-to-poach-them

Can Trump make a play for Hillary's gays?


http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/latest-columns/20160622-mark-davis-questions-about-trump-shouldn-t-drive-conservatives-into-clinton-s-arms.ece

But wait, fellow conservatives have cautioned me: What about the holes in Trump's conservatism? What about his boorish style and occasionally unpresidential conduct? What about the vagueness of some of his proposals?

All valid points. But added up and multiplied by ten, they do not approach the concern any conservative should have about the ruinous effect of a Hillary presidency on every principle we hold dear:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/06/23/trump_campaign_releases_first_in_a_series_of_hillarys_legendary_lies_benghazi.html

Trump Campaign Releases First In A Series Condemning Hillary's 'Legendary' Lies: Benghazi

http://www.salon.com/2016/06/22/digging_in_the_imaginary_dirt_trumps_speech_devised_to_destroy_hillary_today_is_based_on_a_book_of_lies/

Trump’s speech devised to destroy Hillary today is based on a book of lies

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Note the demeaning formulation in this USA Today headline: Trump thumps Hillary. (Original Post) pnwmom Jun 2016 OP
It is sickening cosmicone Jun 2016 #1
Cal Thomas is seasoned but he referred to her as Hillary in the body of his piece pnwmom Jun 2016 #2
Headline writer trying to be clever The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #3
How about this one: "Can Trump make a play for Hillary's gays?" pnwmom Jun 2016 #4
I'm more bothered by "thumps" loyalsister Jun 2016 #5
They should be referring to him as Donald then. Otherwise, the implication pnwmom Jun 2016 #6
You really think they came up with that? loyalsister Jun 2016 #7
This is a longstanding, historical issue. Hillary Clinton is not the first woman pnwmom Jun 2016 #8
The media is far from perfect or even good loyalsister Jun 2016 #9
The charge isn't juvenile. That's insulting to the many feminists who pnwmom Jun 2016 #10
If she went by Rodham maybe loyalsister Jun 2016 #11
If reporters are going to call her Hillary, they should call him Donald. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #12
And Donald has a more dignified tone loyalsister Jun 2016 #15
Not to those who think of Donald Duck. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #16
If children were the target audience it might be a concern loyalsister Jun 2016 #17
Since adults are former children they still make the association. pnwmom Jun 2016 #18
Here here. That's rather offensive, John Poet Jun 2016 #19
Thing is there's only one Trump but two Clintons anigbrowl Jun 2016 #13
Only one Clinton is running against Trump. pnwmom Jun 2016 #21
Hillary promotes herself as Hillary. Trump promotes himself as Trump. Could it be as simple as that? thesquanderer Jun 2016 #14
Reading too much into it.. zenabby Jun 2016 #20
 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
1. It is sickening
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jun 2016

Too many ultra-young journalists who are not happy with Hillary winning. Seasoned journalists don't write headlines like that.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
2. Cal Thomas is seasoned but he referred to her as Hillary in the body of his piece
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 06:22 PM
Jun 2016

and never to Trump by his first name only.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,612 posts)
3. Headline writer trying to be clever
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 06:25 PM
Jun 2016

(and the article is by that troglodyte Cal Thomas). But shouldn't an editor control that kind of "cleverness"?

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
5. I'm more bothered by "thumps"
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 06:31 PM
Jun 2016

anything that implies even the mildest form of violence contributes to the ugliest parts of our culture. Hillary's campaign has encouraged people to use her first name along. "ready for Hillary" etc. It's an effort to promote a sense of familiarity and affection for the candidate.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
6. They should be referring to him as Donald then. Otherwise, the implication
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 06:34 PM
Jun 2016

is that he's the more adult candidate.

It's fine for us to call her Hillary among ourselves. But professional reporters shouldn't be referring to one by his last name and the other by her first.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
7. You really think they came up with that?
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 06:39 PM
Jun 2016

She wants to ensure that she is seen as distinct from her husband. If someone says Clinton that is who people first think of. Mrs. Clinton is also not something her campaign would want. This is all very basic, and if you doubt that is how the campaign wants it, just take a look at the logo which was designed for appeal beyond her supporters.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
8. This is a longstanding, historical issue. Hillary Clinton is not the first woman
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 06:43 PM
Jun 2016

to have been treated in an unequal way by the press.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
9. The media is far from perfect or even good
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 06:57 PM
Jun 2016

but this charge is downright juvenile. The press and everyone who is talking about her are following her campaign's lead. It's not as if the sound of the name "Trump" inspires respect.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
10. The charge isn't juvenile. That's insulting to the many feminists who
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 07:03 PM
Jun 2016

have addressed this issue.

There are a variety of opinions expressed in this article, but I agree with Deborah Tannen's.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article24782737.html

Clinton, the first female candidate to seriously vie for the presidency, was called by her first name four times more than her 2008 Democratic rival Barack Obama, according to a study examining news coverage of the 2008 presidential race by University of Utah researchers published in the Political Research Quarterly. Male news anchors and reporters also dropped Clinton’s title of senator more than did female broadcasters, the document showed.

In any case, John Mosier, 67, of New York City, never liked the practice. “I think it generally cheapens the image of the candidate,” he said.

Deborah Tannen, a linguistics professor at Georgetown University who referred to Clinton in her book, “Talking from 9 to 5: Women and Men at Work,” said Clinton may be called by her first name in part because “Hillary” is more distinctive than common female names such as Susan or Mary. (Clinton’s mother had said she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary, a New Zealand explorer who with Nepalese Sherpa mountaineer Tenzing Norgay became the first climbers to reach the summit of Mount Everest. In 2006, her aides said that was not true.)

Tannen said that no matter the reason that people use first names – even if it’s a sign of friendliness – there is no denying that the result is that the person does not get as much respect.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
11. If she went by Rodham maybe
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 07:08 PM
Jun 2016

But she is using her husband, who happens to be a former president. She wants to distinguish herself. Her campaign is pulling in this direction.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
15. And Donald has a more dignified tone
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 07:28 PM
Jun 2016

The fact that Trump rhymes with hump, lump, dump, rump etc. It's a very ugly sounding name.
Remember how Bush 2 was distinguished from his father? W. It's marketing and the media is doing exactly what the campaign is encouraging in order to promote her. You can bet they did some focus group testing on it.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
17. If children were the target audience it might be a concern
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 07:34 PM
Jun 2016

This campaign reminds me of an Eddie Murphy bit where he said he went to Texas looking for racism. It would be to the advantage of the campaign and women generally if surrogates didn't cheapen and diminish sexism by inventing transgressions.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
13. Thing is there's only one Trump but two Clintons
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 07:13 PM
Jun 2016

OK I know that's not technically correct but there are two well-known politicians called Clinton, and when you're writing a headline you go for the minimum of ambiguity. I've noticed myself on DU that I often write hillary rather than typing out her full name, and quite often I'd find myself writing 'Sanders blah blah blah Hillary yadda yadda yadda' and then having to back and change Sanders to Bernie or Hillary to Clinton depending on the complexity and tone of what I was writing about.

In a lighthearted post I'd refer to Bernie and hillary for example, because first names can have positive connotations of intimacy and friendliness as well as diminishing someone. On a policy-heavy discussion I'd likely call them Sanders and Clinton, more in line with their professional nomenclature. Of course you'd hope professional writers take such things into account as a matter of course, but on the other hand I don't have to deal with deadlines when I'm posting to DU and can take as long as I need to polish something.

But still you're gonna keep seeing it because there are two famous Clintons, and I hope because there'll soon be two President Clintons. To me this is not so different from the way people refer to 'Teddy' and 'FDR' because there were two President Roosevelts (or two Presidents Roosevelt, depending on your grammatical inclinations). Using nicknames could normally be considered demeaning but where there's a genuine possibility of confusion we should give people the benefit of the doubt.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
21. Only one Clinton is running against Trump.
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 09:08 PM
Jun 2016

It's different when we refer here, ,among friends, to Bernie and Hillary. But it's different when the press refers to Trump by his last name and Clinton by her first name.

The simple solution would be for them to call him Donald whenever they want to refer to her as Hillary. But when do you ever see them do that?

zenabby

(364 posts)
20. Reading too much into it..
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary's campaign is all about Hillary, possibly because she wants to be a person everyone can relate to, and Clinton can cause confusion with President Clinton. In fact, Hillary is more her than Clinton - which she only took up to help Bill win the governorship since the chauvinistic people of Arkansas made a big deal about a first lady of Arkansas who had the gall to not change her name. So, Hillary is her signature.

Trump is all about Trump. That's his signature.

It's how the candidates have introduced themselves. We call people by how they introduce themselves, no conspiracy!

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