Brexit means Scotland will probably leave the UK.

[realmirage]

Since Scotland voted 62% to stay in the EU, many are predicting that Scotland will leave the UK. What will the result of all this be? Much to consider here.

[pkdu]

1. Yep ...unintended consequences...this is why the US was wise to have HOUSE and SENATE

referendums , especially in times of turmoil/change are NOT a good idea.

Vote the people you trust IN...let let them handle it.

[swhisper1]

2. yeah, must silence the peoples voices

[TeamPooka]

10. maybe, when you play up to their worst fears and racial hatreds, right? That was how this was

sold to them.
Nothing like a little political assassination to seal the deal for the UK voters too.

[swhisper1]

12. I'd say giving up control of sovereignty was the most pressing reason

[TeamPooka]

13. I didn't realize Angela Merkel was appointing British Parliamentary Ministers.

[swhisper1]

14. dense

[Adrahil]

17. I'd say that's naive.

That drove SOME of the vote, no doubt, but I think most of it was plain old nativism, Boris Johnson-style.

[TeamPooka]

19. yup

[JRLeft]

21. Yep, the anti foreigner sentiment is high there.

Actually it's high in all western nations.

[brentspeak]

15. "Playing up their worst fears"???

The entire argument against Brexit was based on panic. "The sky will fall" if England leaves!

Same sort of elite panic-mongering we suffer from here in the US when the nation was told the sky would fall unless Wall Street was bailed out with the tax dollars of those citizens who lost their life savings. The same sort of elite panic-mongering we have drilled into our heads at the slightest mention that we renegotiate NAFTA and kick China out of the WTO.

It's all panic-mongering bull$hit meant to scare the masses while they're being ripped off for the benefit of a tiny elite who are laughing it up in a smoke-filled room.

[TeamPooka]

18. assassinating one of their MP's is just "panic-mongering bull$hit" to you then too?

[brentspeak]

22. Yeah, Brexit must mean that over half of England supported one of their MP's getting assassinated

Any other brilliant deductions on your part?

[treestar]

25. what would have happened if we had not bailed out Wall Street?

[treestar]

23. If you think that is what it is, then aren't you against

the Constitution, which provides for government by elected bodies and executives? That's our system.

[stevenleser]

26. Sure, the people can never be influenced to do something really bad for them or that's evil

[Bucky]

31. If you familiarize yourself with what the 13 states were doing in the 1780s...

you'd be skeptical about pure democracy too. The results were chaotic, self defeating, and threatening to leave the states open to manipulation by European states. The principal impediment to economic prosperity was irresponsible democratic legislation.

[anigbrowl]

35. The UK also has two legislative chambers, the House of Commons and House of Lords

We have referendums all the time in California, but they're quite rare in places like the UK.

[lapfog_1]

3. Gibraltar is fucked

[Bucky]

32. Spainish commentators are talking about proposing a shared administration...

kind of like what got worked out with Ireland and the late UK over Northern Ireland.

Freaky-deaky times indeed.

[lapfog_1]

33. I thought the Spanish were talking takeover

and for the people who live there, that is a disaster. But they don't want to leave the EU either.

[Bucky]

34. Nothing official yet, I don't think. So far, the UK is shooting down any offer

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/24/britain-gibraltar-rejects-spains-talk-joint-sovereignty

Britain rejects Spain's talk of joint sovereignty for Gibraltar

The UK and Gibraltar governments have flatly rejected Madrid’s suggestion that the Brexit vote could lead to shared sovereignty of the British territory and may even pave the way for its eventual return to Spain.

In an interview on Friday morning, Spain’s acting foreign minister, José Manuel García-Margallo, said the referendum result had significantly advanced the prospect of a Spanish flag flying on the rock of Gibraltar.

“It’s a complete change of outlook that opens up new possibilities on Gibraltar not seen for a very long time,” he told Onda Cero radio. “I hope the formula of co-sovereignty – to be clear, the Spanish flag on the rock – is much closer than before.”

He said the envisaged joint sovereignty would be along the lines of the model discussed by the former Spanish prime minister, José María Aznar and his then British counterpart, Tony Blair, 14 years ago: “British-Spanish sovereignty for a time, followed by Gibraltar’s return to Spanish sovereignty”.

He stressed that he was not celebrating the UK’s decision to leave the EU, but his remarks – and his suggestion that any talks on sovereignty should include Gibraltar – were met with a blunt response.

[MADem]

4. More to the point, they'll have to close the border in Ireland.

People were getting used to going back and forth. Now there will be formalities.

[treestar]

24. Northern Ireland/Ireland border?

Because Ireland is still in the EU? Interesting side effect. And Scotland leaves - NI might almost want to go with it.

[BlueMTexpat]

36. That is an interesting thought.

There have been calls by some Irish politicians for a union or some-such arrangement between the two Irelands, which is likely a long shot.

But the idea of NI teaming up with Scotland might actually have better odds. They have some shared history that is not necessarily belligerent. http://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/immig_emig/northern_ireland/ni_3/article_1.shtml Then both Scotland and NI could remain in the EU and nothing necessarily need be changed between NI and the ROI.

[Bucky]

5. Would they have to rename the country then?

The United Kingdom of Most of Britain and North Ireland.

[musicblind]

6. Well, there have been a few rumors of Northern Ireland splitting over this.

Northern Ireland also voted solidly to remain. So....

[Lord Magus]

7. So it will end up just being the Kingdom of England?

Well, England and Wales.

[geek tragedy]

16. Maybe they can go back to Mercia, Wessex and Northumbria nt

[enid602]

28. UK

I think it will end up being the United Kingdom of Greater London and Cornwall.

[Bucky]

29. I'm pretty sure Greater London was in the Bremain camp.

If they split up further, there may be a fight next for a Londexit referendum

[enid602]

38. yes

That might be the way to go.

[Staph]

8. It will be interesting to see what happens

with North Sea oil. Norway and the UK own the majority of the oilfields, but the UK portion appears to be split between Scotland and England.

The licensing fees paid by the oil companies to the nations is some really serious bucks (or pounds or krone). How do they divide those fields?

[Lord Magus]

9. I don't see it being an even split of the oil.

Scotland would by all rights get the lion's share. Though the natural gas fields on the southern end of the North Sea would all go to England.

[swhisper1]

11. maybe, but I suspect all or most will eventually fall in line with england

[Orsino]

20. "England prevails, Leader." n/t

[apnu]

27. Will Ireland push for unification?

Is that on the table as well?

[Bucky]

30. Sinn Fein are pushing for a reunification vote so Northern Ireland can stay in the EU

They do more business with the Republic of Ireland than with the rest of the UK. As long as the Catholics can reassure the Protestant majority they'll have their rights protected, it'd be a savvy move.

Jesus, this discussion is surreal.

[roamer65]

37. Probably not.

The turnout was way lower on the EU referendum than it was on the independence referendum and it failed.

The numbers aren't there yet to pass a independence referendum.

[Jim Lane]

40. Why are you so sure about an independence vote?

In the 2014 referendum in Scotland, the vote on independence was Yes 44.7%, No 55.3%. That doesn't seem like such a huge margin against independence. If the Brexit backlash persuades 6% of electorate to flip from No to Yes, then independence prevails.

[pampango]

39. Good for Scots who are liberal and want to be in the EU. Bad for the English. The Tory lock on

parliament will get worse if liberal Scots are no longer in the electoral mix.