HRC just delivered a thorough response to trust ?s about her:

[riversedge]

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Looks like Hillary just gave an interview.


Dan Merica ‏@danmericaCNN 8m8 minutes ago

HRC just delivered a thorough response to trust ?s about her: 'I personally know I have work to do on this front'


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Edit to add this tweet *****



TWEET
Hillary Clinton Verified account
‏@HillaryClinton

"You can’t just talk someone into trusting you. You’ve got to earn it ... I believe what you say matters." —Hillary

[mcar]

1. A good response!

[insta8er]

2. I respectfully disagree, and invoke the new TOS to not to have to explain myself.

[HumanityExperiment]

3. 2nd that sentiment

n/t

[Vattel]

13. 3rd that sentiment

[dirtydickcheney]

48. 4th that sentiment

[mcar]

6. I disagree with your disagreement

Respectfully.

[tonyt53]

76. And I 2nd that!

[Maven]

10. What would you have her say?

What could she say that you would approve of?

[insta8er]

12. I can't say, it would go against the TOS.

[TwilightZone]

20. You should trying actually reading the TOS.

It doesn't say what you insist that it says.

[insta8er]

22. That would mean you know what I have on my mind....nice..

[Motown_Johnny]

25. I had a post hidden for simply pointing out a problem Hillary has.

It was called "Bashing".


The new rule is insane.

[insta8er]

28. Yep...I want to say more, but technically you are in violation of the TOS by even mentioning this.

[HumanityExperiment]

40. insulating their bubble...

n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

41. One must remember the golden rule...and who it helps most.

[Motown_Johnny]

24. Agreed. Even in a thread about her trust issues.....

we can't actually point out why those issues exist.


That would be bashing.


That rule is just plain crazy.

[insta8er]

26. I have to agree, but going into details would be against the TOS. So I won't do that.

[uponit7771]

55. even if its factual?! tia... The issue is most of them aren't, they're made up shit people stopped

... listening to long ago.

No one is saying she's perfect just not depedent on made up shit to make their case

[mindwalker_i]

27. Agree with this

There wasn't any real substance. She said people don't trust her and that she has to work on it, but only alluded to having everything in the book thrown at her, rather that citing examples. She said she's made mistakes but didn't cite examples, only said nobody's perfect. That doesn't show she's learned from her mistakes. She also said the reason she's careful with her words is because she's careful with her words. Logically, that makes "is careful with her words" both the cause and effect and is unlikely to instill confidence in people.

Many people will see this as thoroughly empty.

[leftofcool]

33. Nope, not at all.

I want my President to speak carefully and thoughtfully. So do world leaders. So no, "many people" do not see this as empty. But thank you.

[bettyellen]

37. So your "constructive criticism" is she should list her fuck ups and go into detail repeating the

Exact false allegations she alluded to? Ya think that's helpful, huh?

[insta8er]

43. Something like that, without the curse words..you know, it is demeaning. But yes lets start with

that..because this is a ....sorry would have said it but it goes against the TOS.

[bettyellen]

50. And too think that would help her? I don't but it.... But I'm not the one who keeps

Admitting they Cannot speak their mind without breaking the rules here. So instead it's these silly games giving HRC shitty advice. Whatever.

[bonemachine]

52. it probably would do her no good

To get into any of the accusations that are patently false. Bringing up conspiracies against her isn't going to be of any benefit, and could even give them further legs.


But, the other half - the part where she actually acknowledges what her mistakes have been instead of just saying "mistakes were made" - that I can see some benefit in for her.

As other posters have pointed out - an apology that doesn't touch on what you're apologizing for doesn't count, and saying you made errors without actually addressing what those errors are is empty talk. It's much more states(wo)manlike to be able to point to specifics in matters of good or ill judgement.

[bettyellen]

54. It would be a mistake to veer into mistake territory when the question was about trust.

Bad advice.

[bonemachine]

60. she was the one who brought up her mistakes

So if it's a mistake, that's her mistake as well.

I don't have a problem offering my trust to someone who has acknowledged an error by name and followed up with what they did wrong and what they could have done better. That capacity for self analysis and humility is specifically trust building.

[bettyellen]

61. I think she did fine explaining that she had rethought issues she was mistaken on prior....

No need to do a mea culpa in detail when the issue was primarily one of trust not of what particular mistakes she has made.

[Darb]

63. What a delicious wine.

It is so rich, yet without a hint of character. And the color, is that goldenrod? Or should we just call it yellow? No matter, just a yummy vintage. Got any cheese?

[zappaman]

66. Posting privledges before principles!

[Lyric]

80. Just what I was thinking.

Why are they even here? If they know that they will NEVER really support our nominee, why worry about the TOS? They're already breaking it in spirit, if not out loud. At that point, any claim of superior "principles" is gone, gone, gone.

[okasha]

4. I respectfully agree,

and point to the effect that institutionalized misogyny has had in demonizing every western woman politician from Eleanor of Aquitaine on.

[Thinkingabout]

5. Yes, good statement, Hillary has been vetted for twenty five years and yet she

Has remained a strong advocate for many issues important to Americans. She will be a hard working president.

[Bill USA]

7. Those who's thinking is programmed by the GOP will, of course, disagree...

?w=400

[insta8er]

9. I wish more people would be thinking. :)

[Hiraeth]

30. Thinking

That words and deeds must match. Walk that talk.

[insta8er]

36. ;) LOL

[Surya Gayatri]

8. Massive K & R. Thanks for posting. Good for Hillary.

[Her Sister]

11. Nice answer!

I like her style! Being thoughtful.

[riversedge]

14. Hillary just tweeted this about trust. I will put in OP also....

TWEET
Hillary Clinton Verified account
‏@HillaryClinton

"You can’t just talk someone into trusting you. You’ve got to earn it ... I believe what you say matters." —Hillary

[Squinch]

15. I once read a statement by her that was very interesting.

She said that when she is running for a job, there is a lot of negative press and there are a lot of people who feel very negatively about her. But when she is in the job, her approval ratings are unusually high. It happened in the Senate, and it happened when she was SOS.

She's going to be a good president.

[riversedge]

17. I remember her saying that. Hope it bodes well for the

[democrattotheend]

18. That's a good point

I remember reading that several right wing senators who had spent 10 years attacking her realized they may have misjudged her once she became their colleague and they saw how hard-working and capable she was.

I also remember that her approval rating was really high when she was SOS, sometimes higher than the President's.

Based on that, I think she will be a better president than she is presidential candidate.

[1StrongBlackMan]

29. That would suggest that the negative press and sentiment is ginned up.

[Squinch]

31. Cooties. Boys always say we girls have them. Especially if we have beat them on the playground.

[uponit7771]

56. +1

[democrattotheend]

16. That's a pretty good explanation

While I don't 100% trust her, I do believe a lot of the crap that has been said about her for 25 years is false, exaggerated, or just plain ridiculous. I can appreciate what she is saying about choosing her words carefully. There are times when it feels like she is hedging to be an opportunist, but that's true of most politicians. She is probably just a little more obvious about it than others.

I agree with everything else she said. She proved a lot of people wrong when she went to the Senate by keeping her head down and working hard to represent New York. I don't think anyone can doubt that she is a hard worker and a policy wonk who really rolls up her sleeves and gets into the details of whatever she's working on.

Since I've already been kicked out of the Bernie group back in April for being overly realistic about his chances, I guess I can come clean and admit that I'm starting to get a little excited about voting for Hillary in November. Let's hope she continues on the path she's been on and doesn't pivot to the center after the primaries so I can feel that way when I go to the polls.

[Sheepshank]

19. We Dems have permitted the Republicans to direct the Dem conversation far way too long

25 years of misdirected innuendoes, and outright lies, magnifying mistakes that was given a "pass" to so many others. Articles passed around as if they were fact and even reposted on DU. Doesn't matter how many times they were refuted, they would pop up all over again. The greatest lies of all perpetuated by the Republicans...and too many Dems listened.

[DesertRat]

21. Very well said

[JoePhilly]

23. Excellent response.

[ciaobaby]

32. I know what would help me trust her.....

"You can’t just talk someone into trusting you. You’ve got to earn it ... I believe what you say matters." —Hillary

Releasing the wall street/goldman sachs speeches - because I also believe what you say matters.

[Her Sister]

34. Yes, am sure you would!

[leftofcool]

35. Write to Goldman Sachs and ask for them

You should also write to the American Camping Assn while you are at it. I hear Hillary is in the tank for tents.

[ciaobaby]

39. Brilliant - I will get right on it.

I just love when you have no reasonable response you still feel it necessary to respond with useless sarcasm.

[mcar]

46. ..

[bettyellen]

38. I trust her after seeing her tax returns and tons of other speeches

[Dem2]

42. Ciao

[uponit7771]

58. Winger bullshit to focus on non binding statements when biding tax returns from tRhmp

... are still missing.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

65. No candidate should be able to hide anything since they are

interviewing for POTUS.

Nothing should be off limits WRT trust.

No?

[uponit7771]

68. This is false, I don't want know her shoe sizes...

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

73. Nobody is asking for her shoe size or for straw men arguments.

But some will give the latter without fail.

[MaggieD]

44. I have spent decades paying attention to her career

And that is why I have no problem trusting her. I think people who don't trust her have just bought into a lot of right wing talking points used to bash her but are completely without substance.

I don't know what she can really do about other people just being uninformed and susceptible to right wing crap. But it's very humble of her to take the allegations seriously and try her best to change those perceptions. I predict she will actually be a very popular president.

[ismnotwasm]

51. Yup.

You stated this perfectly

[KK9]

45. Introvert

I totally buy that personal narrative presented earlier in the thread, and I trust her. I don't know Hillary Clinton personally, but I'll bet my (literal) farm that she is an introvert. She sure presents herself like one. The most misunderstood people on the planet .

Introverts, despite popular misconception, are NOT shy or lacking in confidence. They like to listen more than talk, think before they talk, measure their words... Energy comes from quiet thought, not incessant interaction with others. Most of the world's population are extroverts, so it's no surprise that so few "get it".

I'll bet you double, even triple, my farm that she'd test as INTJ, if you are into Myers Briggs at all. That's what you want, personality wise, for a serious job.

[mcar]

47. This introvert agrees

Good thoughts.

[MaggieD]

57. I think you are correct

And I believe I have actually read that in biographical books about her.

My wife is the same way - not shy or lacking in confidence, but definitely an introvert, and introspective.

[libdem4life]

62. Haven't thought about that in years...that was my result.

Was about 50/50 on the T/F spectrum. Been a teacher and in sales for decades. Go figure. But when the day is over, I'm home and need the evening to regroup.

[Darb]

64. Interesting take.

That is something to look a bit closer at I think.

[jrandom421]

78. No wonder she really needs

the time for prayer, meditation and yoga to manage the stress of being in the public eye so much.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-joan-hamburg-meditation-yoga_us_57113bf6e4b0018f9cba0b9f

[DemonGoddess]

49. Those are all good points

Thing is, while many of us do trust her, having observed her over the years, and also having observed the RW smear machine whenever she does anything, it's not necessarily going to win over everyone by talking about the whys.

I think that may very well be why so many older women actually DO trust her, because we all saw what happened, as it happened, where she is concerned.

[apcalc]

53. Very good response.

[Iliyah]

59. K & R

[hertopos]

67. I wonder what it will be like to be bushed for last 25 years straight.

I was talking to one of my lefty friend the other day. When we mentioned about Bernie supporter, his tone changed. He really called Hillary evil.

Both of us are from Maryland and he was always very nice and respectful with me ( I am older than him.) Sometimes, we disagreed but respectfully so.

When she said she is very careful with words, she said she was careful with words. I can tell what really she wants to say. She is actually paranoid how her words can be possibly twisted.

25 years of constant bushing!!

Now, let me tell you something why I still have a great respect for her regardless of her mistakes and faux pas.
She never quit.

It is easy to just say she is part of an establishments. However, even to become part of the leadership, that takes a lots of
actual results and history of accomplishment.

She has accomplished most bar none despite 25 years of bushing.

I want her to earn your trust and I want to see that.

Hertopos

[JSup]

77. This right here

She is pretty close to paranoid over what narrative the media and pundits will twist her words into.

Hillary Clinton, like many of us, does not trust the media.

[Martin Eden]

69. I trust Hillary Clinton to be true to her record

Actions, not words or wild accusations, speak loudest.

Certain parts of her record are the reason I wouldn't support her in the Democratic primary, but I am highly motivated to prevent Donald Trump from becoming POTUS.

[VulgarPoet]

70. My issue comes from how active I am in the tech sector, and prepping for a job there.

How can a nominee, in one breath, advocate for a "Manhattan-like project against encryption", and then in the next, "support creating a national commission on digital security, so that the technology and public safety communities can work together on solutions that address law enforcement needs while preserving individual privacy and security"? Yes, what one says matters, but when they directly contradict each other-- i.e., the FBI basically kicking down Apple's door to try to subpeona them to break their own encryption-- how can one put their faith in what someone says?

[randome]

71. They don't contradict one another.

There is nothing contradictory with protecting privacy rights while making sure that law enforcement has the tools they need to do their jobs. If you're worried about whether warrants are needed for law enforcement to conduct searches, that's an entirely different matter.

[VulgarPoet]

72. In this case, unfortunately, I fear it does

For sheer fact that the thing most hammered on is "giving law enforcement a backdoor". Problem with this is authentication. You put in a backdoor, a breach point, any weak link meant for law enforcement will automatically become a backdoor for the bad guys, too. In this case, you cannot make a backdoor that says "law enforcement only"-- if you build it, EVERYONE will come, and someone WILL figure out how to compromise it.

[randome]

75. I don't see how it can be helped, though.

The alternative is that law enforcement can never look at a bad guy's communications, even with a warrant.

The Digital Age is...complicated.

[LiberalFighter]

74. I don't have a problem with her concern about the words she uses.

It is important to be clear. If a person doesn't consider the words they use then that is a bigger problem. It is difficult to do when there isn't a back and forth communication that allows for clarification. If a person doesn't consider their words carefully there could be serious consequences.

[Hekate]

79. KnR