2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders explains why he's still not endorsing Hillary Clinton
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CBS News
Despite declaring that he would vote for Hillary Clinton in November's general election, Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders maintained that he still isn't ready to endorse his primary race rival.
Asked what it would take to throw his support behind Clinton, Sanders told "CBS This Morning" that "it's not a question for me. We got 13 million votes, we got in virtually every primary and caucus the vast majority of young people - people 45 years of age or younger, and what those voters are saying to the establishment, to Secretary Clinton -- 'Hey are you gonna stand up for us? Are you gonna raise the minimum wage in fact to 15 bucks an hour?'"
When pressed why he hasn't endorsed her yet, the Vermont senator responded: "Because I have not heard her say the things that I think needs to be said."
"I want her to say among other things, we have a crisis in higher education -- public universities and colleges should be tuition free. Raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour," Sanders said. "I believe that healthcare should be a right of all people. I would love her to say that and I would love her to move aggressively to make that happen."
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)and a real force. But he decided his ego was far too important and now everyone has moved on. Bernie can do what he wants, nobody but his most far left supporters care any more. Let them vote for that imbecile, Jill Stein. Meanwhile, Pres Obama and Michelle, VP BIden and Jill along with Elizabeth Warren, Russ Feingold and a whole host of good Democrats will be fighting hard to get SOS Clinton elected.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... flocking faster to Clinton now than the Clinton supporters flocked to Obama in 08.
He's quickly becoming a true has been, angry do nothing
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... statements his main focus of all his appearances is placing the onus on Clinton to say what he wants NOT ONE rally against tRump not one presser against tRump few relative statements anything about tRump.
Clinton doesn't owe Sanders a damn thing
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... disagree with that notion.
Also, its been 3 weeks... if this is Sanders "everything" to defeat tRump then I think the democrats choose the right candidate to lead... cause Sanders everything right now stanks
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)Americans that voted for him, the vast majority being people under 45.
Asked what it would take to throw his support behind Clinton, Sanders told "CBS This Morning" that "it's not a question for me. We got 13 million votes, we got in virtually every primary and caucus the vast majority of young people - people 45 years of age or younger, and what those voters are saying to the establishment, to Secretary Clinton -- 'Hey are you gonna stand up for us? Are you gonna raise the minimum wage in fact to 15 bucks an hour?'"
When pressed why he hasn't endorsed her yet, the Vermont senator responded: "Because I have not heard her say the things that I think needs to be said."
"I want her to say among other things, we have a crisis in higher education -- public universities and colleges should be tuition free. Raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour," Sanders said. "I believe that healthcare should be a right of all people. I would love her to say that and I would love her to move aggressively to make that happen."
In this Bernie is still fighting for the interests of the people, he's not going to abandon them.
Having said that, this article is light on substance but that's not surprising coming from a corporate media conglomerate.
As for beating Trump there is ample time for Hillary to adjust her message, the Democratic Convention is still a month away.
Ultimately no person is more responsible for winning over Bernie voters than Hillary.
brooklynite
(94,502 posts)It seems clear that Clinton doesn't feel the need to concede policy points to Sanders in order to unify Democratic voters. So his realistic choices are:
1. Not endorse and have Trump win, turning back all the gains made in the past 8 years,
2. Not endorse and have Clinton win, leaving him with minimal influence on the policy issues she'll deal with in the next 8 years.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)find an excuse not to endorse her. The real die hard supporters will also find an excuse not to vote for her.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)refusing to do so may not be good for the party.
Me? I think he is becoming more and more irrelevant, and the only one looking bad is him. He's just a sore loser.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)pale in comparison to the gap between Bernie and Hillary, 2016 was a much different race than 2008.
The critical issues have become much more acute.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)be Trump and the GOP, not Hillary and the Democrats.
Him fighting Democrats isn't helping his cause at all. The most critical and acute issue currenly is defeating Trump, and winning in Nov.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)it goes without saying this will be based on Hillary's words and actions.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512223010
Bernie hasn't and doesn't hesitate in attacking Trump on any and virtually every occasion.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)that the enemies are HRC and the Democrats
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... "fighting for us" claim
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)With Warren enthusiastically by her side they are making history while he is still blowing raspberries on the sideline.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)is trying to change.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Legal fundraised this year. I just heard Hillary created arms deals that have been in place toward Saudi Arabia since the 80's! And that she didn't win fair and square. Delusional bullshit.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)The entropy inducing, closed primary system, out sized power of super-delegates, many of whom have never been elected combined with the monopolistic, corporate media conglomerates blatant, inherent conflict of interest on so many critical issues and ready use of propaganda to manipulate the people on a vast array of issues, simply can't bode well for our democratic republic.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And bullshit like calling PP establishment as well as alluding to corruption being everywhere did not help Sanders and will damage his ability to work with people. Politics is- above all- working with and for others. He can't go it alone.
Thanks for pointing out the spellcheck error in a non- mocking manner.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)Bernie will have no problem working with people as his history is a powerful testimony of.
Furthermore, Bernie isn't going alone.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)They supported HRC. He doesn't respect their years of work together but instead dismisses it as cronyism. Disgusting.
What progressive does not know what PP stands for? Wow- thanks for your support dude.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)...say.
charlyvi
(6,537 posts)It's irritation.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)It is his choice but right now I am in favor of putting Sen. Warren on the ticket and ignoring Sanders
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... waiting on what Sanders is demanding so that position doesn't hold water relative to the facts.
Also, Sanders said he'd be doing everything to make sure tRump doesn't win and so far that everything happens to be a couple of statements.
That's some crap there
840high
(17,196 posts)bonemachine
(757 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts).... of Obama voters in 08 in most polls.
Who's he doing this for?
Obama won with worse numbers from Clinton pull overs
The concern here is his lack of focus on doing "everything" he can to make sure tRump loses... he's said relatively little about it other than calling tRump a couple of names and then goes off and repeats his stump speech as if he's still in the primaries
bonemachine
(757 posts)The fact that people are willing to vote for Hillary to prevent Trump doesn't mean that they don't want what Bernie has been advocating.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts).... poll I'd say he had some leverage but he doesn't.
People are going to vote for Clinton whether he comes on board or not and now she has Warren in her corner...
No really... what "us"... he's losing the influence that he had and doesn't know it
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)He wants everything his way and is demanding nothing less. He may have principals, but I don't think these demands are a reflections of principals any more...they feel more like uncompromising almost petulant demands, that do not serve anyone well at this point. In Public Office, no man is an island. No person can achieve without cooperation...yes even occasionally cooperating with those that have different principals.
The bottom line is that his recalcitrant nature was always there for everyone to see. His reputation of not being a team player was well known and didn't serve him well in his Presidential run.
From my perspective he has always manipulated and used the "establishment", for his own purposes while deriding it as creating unequal opportunities. In this current system of checks and balances, everyone should know the rules inside and out, use the "establishment", play within it's guideline and be clever enough to find the loopholes to achieve a goal. Bernie didn't do that. Bernie didn't play the sly old fox that was able to achieve his platform within the establishment environment (a la Obama). He took out a sledge hammer and set about demolishing something that many, many others don't find completely broken.
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)the Reps. He is exacting revenge instead of fighting against the REAL enemy. He could be up there along with Elizabeth Warren and Biden and be a highly respected figure. Instead he chooses to be something else. He could be doing so much good.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... don't know if she needs this guys endorsement right now.
He's placing the onus on Clinton as a prerequisite for him do the right thing and that's bullshit, it's not what SHE should be saying right now she won... so entitled
Also, he said he'd do everything to defeat tRump 3 weeks ago... other than a couple of statements he aint done shit... no pressers no rallies nothing against tRump.
I have seen a damn thing
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)But as has been posted many tomes on DU "second need Bernie supporters". So we are all good. No harm no foul!
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... losing and what he's NOT doing regarding tRump after 3 weeks of him saying he would be doing "everything" to defeat him.
So far this "everything" boils down to a couple of statements of tRump being horrible
And it looks like Sanders supporters will be voting for Clinton at twice the rate Clinton supporters voted for Obama in 08 and he won that race.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)Herman4747
(1,825 posts)(to be sure, that could flip again, & she could go back to supporting $12).
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)She said $12 for starters and higher based upon the location. Hell, $15 isn't much in NYC or San Diego. Her stated levels are realistic in the near future. It won't jump to $15 for sure.
George II
(67,782 posts)Herman4747
(1,825 posts)Hillary, in November 2015 talking about a federal minimum wage that would apply throughout the country:Hillary Clinton: I favor a $12 an hour minimum wage
Hillary (April, 2016) on after having been affected by Bernie:
[link:http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/14/politics/transcript-democratic-debate-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/|
"I have supported the fight for 15." Yeah, right.
synergie
(1,901 posts)why, it might make it more difficult to credit Bernie with everything, but it would inform you about the issue and her actual stances so you can figure out how and why Bernie affected her. He didn't drive her to 15, she was already there and trying to figure out how to achieve it in an effective manner and tie it to inflation, a point that Bernie has not gotten to yet.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)eom
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MFM008
(19,805 posts)I actually believed him.
merrily
(45,251 posts)of endorsing her.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Do you think Elizabeth Warren accepts all of Hillary's positions? I don't think she does.
I guess it depends on how you define "accept."
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Maybe you just can't "accept" that.
merrily
(45,251 posts)"Covering for Sanders?"
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)differences. If that was not the case no LGBT organization would have endorsed any Presidential candidate until Obama 2012. An endorsement means 'this is the best of the choices' and that's all it means. It's not an acceptance of all positions. Not even close.
George II
(67,782 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Saying what they have to say, without actively trying to help the nominee win.
merrily
(45,251 posts)persuaded those of his followers who were waiting for a signal from him.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)what Sanders says about Clinton.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=tepid+endorsement+of+trump
When he puts more effort into defeating Trump than to defeating Hillary Clinton's DNC platform, we'll be impressed.
merrily
(45,251 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)his supporters should understand that his failing to lift a finger to defeat Trump is a choice, and it has consequences for him and his movement--if he offers nothing and provides nothing, he gets nothing. Next time he makes demands, no one will listen.
merrily
(45,251 posts)As long as "we" are making it about supporters, though, Guess what? Hillary's supporters don't get to decide if there will be a movement or not.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)if he's not willing to endorse now, he's not going to be willing to endorse before the convention
heck, he hasn't even admitted she won yet.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)brooklynite
(94,502 posts)I seem to recall some people disagreeing however...
merrily
(45,251 posts)brooklynite
(94,502 posts)Elizabeth Warren says she hopes Hillary Rodham Clinton runs for president in 2016 the latest in a series of declarations of support by the Massachusetts Democrat, who some have speculated could seek the Oval Office herself.
"All all of the women Democratic women I should say of the Senate urged Hillary Clinton to run, and I hope she does. Hillary is terrific," Warren said during an interview broadcast Sunday on ABC's "This Week," noting that she was one of several senators to sign a letter urging Clinton to run in 2016.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2014/04/27/elizabeth-warren-i-hope-hillary-clinton-runs-for-president/
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)follow through on his vow to do everything he could to defeat Trump.
If he endorses Clinton, he'd risk alienating the hardcore Hillary haters who joined up with his movement. They're his people, and he's loyal to them, not to Clinton or the Democratic Party.
brooklynite
(94,502 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)she understands that there are no Virgin Births in politics.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)LexVegas
(6,059 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)riversedge
(70,187 posts)Renew Deal
(81,855 posts)Renew Deal
(81,855 posts)He's not helping our team.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Minimum wage $15, healthcare for all,a and free college tutition. That would mame my heart Singh!
brooklynite
(94,502 posts)Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Thanks for playing though!
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)now she sings a different hymn. This suggests that part of having a candidate's back can involved pushing them in the right direction.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Sanders has reached get off my lawn status. Sad that he squandered such a great opportunity. Others will still take from the infrastructure they built moving forward.
Many of his interviews and comments now conjure images of an empty chair next to him.
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BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)although I had hoped he would've been less obvious.
With the rapid pace that former Sanders supporters are flocking to Hillary Clinton - and if she's smart enough, she'll choose a PoC as her running mate (my preference remains Julian Castro for so many reasons) - she'll win in a landslide in November with or without Sanders' support and/or endorsement.
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)STILL supportive of Bernie, they tell me they're growing sick of what THEY call his pettiness and his "sore loser" attitude. Mostly their description of Bernie, not mine. Like I said around here on one of my posts, I'm choosing to totally ignore Bernie. Not in a bad way--but in the same way you accept yet ignore a pesky pimple you have to live with in hopes that it just goes away eventually
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Bernie overplayed his hand and the world moved on.
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LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I understand; elementary current events can be difficult for many people. I'll ask my twelve year old niece if she has any school text books on grasping basic civics... couldn't hurt.
(insert righteous indignation below that petulant snark is pondered to in kind)
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Adrahil
(13,340 posts)That in order to endorse her, she needs to adopt his platform?
Elections... how do they fucking work!?
You lost Bernie. More people voted for her and her platform. It's reasonable to want some compromise, but FFS....
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Warren everything that Bernie is, and more.
Sid
carburyme
(146 posts)Excuse me I'm talking Sanders?
It's just really sad of what he's become. He could have been the biggest endorsement for Hillary's campaign and I don't know who is still advising him at this point. I think he's past his expiration date and he doesn't even realize it.
charlyvi
(6,537 posts)eom
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Oh well, he can do that. Besides, she still doesn't have the magic number YET, so officially she is NOT yet the nominee. Keep trying to put Bernie in a bad light. He's got my support.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Night Watchman
(743 posts)The game's over.
Svafa
(594 posts)more about the platform, issues, and long-term future of both the country and the party rather than the petty, short-term, "us vs. them" game of election cycle politics should be commended. Particularly by those who claim to be progressives.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)That's reality.
Svafa
(594 posts)Svafa
(594 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)To accomplish anything at all requires keeping a Democrat in the White House.
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Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Whoever that might turn out to be. But now he's saying that other conditions that the nominee will have to meet to get his endorsement, like adopting his entire platform. If a majority of Democrats thought Bernie had the better platform we would've voted for him.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)This is what happens when you don't teach your children to lose graciously & constantly tell them both teams lost even tho your Kidd team lost 45-7. Please take note before they embarrass themselves on the world stage.
Thanks
Reality Based Individual
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)approval or permission to run, bring her platform, and win the presidency. ??????? is so 1900's