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Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:20 AM Jun 2016

Be wary of polls - Be wary of complacency.

So, there's lots of chatter right now about polls showing that Clinton and Trump are neck-and-neck, or that Clinton is losing if you take into account Independents and Green voters, etc... etc... etc...

Lots of people here and on progressive news sources called it months ago, that once things boiled down to two candidates, the media would do their best to build the narrative of a close race whether or not the race was anywhere near being close. So, we're seeing that happen now. Here is what I said in one of the several threads I'm seeing about this:

The media will try to create a close race even if there is none.

TYT did a little analysis on some actual polling numbers last night that show Clinton pull well ahead of Trump as his campaign begins its collapse (I hope). The teflon coating on Trump is starting to chip and the ridiculous things he's saying are starting to sully his reputation instead of gaining him more attention.



The mainstream media needs this to be a close race. They need the excitement that will bring in viewers and advertising dollars in their waning and dying industry. If the pundits don't have a conflict to talk about, they just don't get the eyeballs necessary for ad revenue for their top brass. So you can bet that if there are 10 polls that show the race isn't close, the media will talk about #11 that shows them neck-and-neck.

But please, don't take this as an indication that this is over. It's a long way to November, and lots can still happen. The RNC could be a game-changer and if the GOP finds a candidate that is even a -little- more likable than Trump, there could still be a tight race. As Cenk points out, according to polling, Trump is beating Hillary handily among white voters. Still vital for Democrats to GOTV and make sure that the numbers overwhelm the GOP.


So, there are two ways we need to be wary. On one side, watch that narrative of the close race and see where they're cherry picking their data from. As it stands right now, the average of the various polls show Clinton ahead with Trump starting to slump.

But, we also have to be wary of complacency. We can't count on Trump just tripping over his own feet or alienating a large voting bloc. He's still got loud and aggressive supporters and, as we've just seen across the pond, fear works.

From the convention to the election is the sprint, that's where the most hard work is going to take place. Dig in, folks. Get those anti-muck shields up, because there's going to be a lot of it flung from the GOP.
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Be wary of polls - Be wary of complacency. (Original Post) Saviolo Jun 2016 OP
Hillary's team is taking nothing for granted. And we all to help as we can-canvassing, phone riversedge Jun 2016 #1
I totally agree! redstatebluegirl Jun 2016 #2
Indeed! Saviolo Jun 2016 #3
Remember 2004. Democrats thought Kerry was going to win for sure. Then stuff happened. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #4
I'll feel a little safer after the RNC Saviolo Jun 2016 #5
Too late RobertEarl Jun 2016 #6
gotta pay attention to the facts... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #7
GOTV is the only way to win this cycle Txbluedog Jun 2016 #8

riversedge

(70,198 posts)
1. Hillary's team is taking nothing for granted. And we all to help as we can-canvassing, phone
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jun 2016

banks, volunteering, money, etc. And GOTV! yes yes yes..............

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
2. I totally agree!
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jun 2016

I am planning to push and push to make sure we don't get lazy and complacent. Democrats have a bad habit of letting that happen and this year there is so much to lose if we do.

Trump's trip ups will not keep his crazy followers from the polls. The feel strongly that they want their white racist country back and they will stop at nothing to get to the polls. Plus the RNC plans to scare the crap out of the ones who can't stomach Trump by using the chance of 3 Supreme Court nominees to keep them away from Democrats. They will pull out all the stops, abortion, gay marriage, "thugs robbing you", whatever it takes. The ads for this one are going to be the most nasty ones you have every seen.

The good news is Hillary is used to it, we hope. We all have to show up, we have to offer rides to people who may not be able to get to the polls. No letting up, keep it up.

Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
3. Indeed!
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:14 AM
Jun 2016
Democrats have a bad habit of letting that happen and this year there is so much to lose if we do.


It's worst in mid-term elections, but it's true. Right now there's some energy and some anxiety that's pushing everyone to move, and it doesn't matter what keeps that push going, so long as it keeps going!

Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
5. I'll feel a little safer after the RNC
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 01:36 PM
Jun 2016

Assuming Trump ends up walking out of there as the nominee. If some craziness goes down and they find someone else to shove into that role, suddenly everything is up in the air. Too many unknowns in that equation for me to feel secure at all.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
6. Too late
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 02:56 PM
Jun 2016

The country does not care and will not go vote like it did 8 years ago. The only motivation that will be a huge factor is hate.

We are so screwn it isn't funny.

Just look at the bad turnout in the primaries for proof of the mood of the country, and our party has drawn itself into its shell trying hard to keep new people from joining.

We are so screwn it isn't funny.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
7. gotta pay attention to the facts...
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:15 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/29/politics/quinnipiac-poll-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/index.html

538 gives them an A-

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

I've mentioned numerous times that historic unfavorables on both candidates are a cause for concern

you can't dismiss the facts

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-distaste-for-both-trump-and-clinton-is-record-breaking/

this isn't a MSM meme, it's a protest voting cycle... Brexit vote is a prime example of this situation

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
8. GOTV is the only way to win this cycle
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:17 PM
Jun 2016

Trump supporters are going to vote come hell or high water and we need to make sure that we vote as well

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