2016 Postmortem
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The Washington Post reports that 20 percent of Sanders supporters said they would back Trump over Clinton in the general election in a poll conducted last month. Now that number is down sharply to only 8 percent, which means the progressive wing of the party is getting behind the woman who is seeking to become the first female president in United States history.
That new number could even drop further considering the poll was conducted prior to Bernie Sanders declaring that he would support Clinton over Trump and that his supporters should do the same.
From Maddows show the other night Clinton has a faster transition of Sanders voters to her than Clinton voters had to Obama in 08.
I'm not understanding from what position of leverage Sanders is coming from seeing there's relatively little hold overs and Clinton has Warren now, not a progressive slouch.
Is he going to withhold a smiley face from Clinton when she passes by in congressional halls?
Your take?
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)At this point I see no influence for him
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... or adequate.
Don't understand his position now
obamanut2012
(26,047 posts)gabeana
(3,166 posts)I am not going to lie, I am still disappointed that he didn't win but I fully support Clinton, She won, the people that voted in the Democratic primary spoke, Hillary is the nominee, and Sanders has said as much
I am very excited that this election could seriously wound the conservative party. The former Sanders supporters that will support Trump aren't Dems, Liberals or progressives
they are prob moderate Repubs, that are going back to their tent to support the repub nominee
PJMcK
(21,998 posts)Hopefully, this election won't just wound the GOP. This could be the coup de grace for this disgraceful, deceitful and un-American band of scum.
Also, I respect your honesty about your position, gabeana. It's always hard to take it when your candidate loses but your mature response could set the tone for others. We need to elect Democrats at all levels of government in order to deal that fatal blow to the Republicans.
Meanwhile, enjoy the fourth!
gabeana
(3,166 posts)but after the 64' election it looked like they were destroyed but the the assholes came back with a vengeance and we are just now finally moving away from the bullshit conservative agenda
PJMcK
(21,998 posts)The difference between 1964 and now is vast. Keep in mind that in those days, Republicans and Democrats mostly worked together to run our country. Although they had serious disagreements about policies, for the most part they did their jobs and kept the country functioning.
Today, we have a vast chasm between the parties and the Republicans have repeatedly demonstrated that they don't want to govern. They don't want to do anything for our country. They don't pass bills. They don't hold hearings on presidential appointments. They shut down the government. The Democrats try to function but their power is limited by their minority status. Our president has had to take extraordinary steps just to keep the lights on in DC.
Back in '64, Barry Goldwater didn't really represent the majority of Republicans, many of whom were quite moderate. I'm sure you've heard it said that if he were alive today, Dwight Eisenhower would be a liberal Democrat. (wink) But the conservative movement, mostly led by William F. Buckley, Jr. among others, hadn't yet matured into a powerful national force. Since 1980, we've had to fight the Dark Side of American politics and we've lost far too many battles over those years. The success of the conservatives has allowed them to become more and more extreme which is a big part of why they are fracturing: their coalition has finally shown its cracks.
One other point about the 1964 election. It's always struck me that the US had lost its president to an assassin only a year before. Perhaps the electorate wasn't ready for that amount of political instability in such a short time. President Johnson really didn't have to work up much of a sweat to defeat Senator Goldwater. Today, the polarization of our nation means that Secretary Clinton could have more of a challenge on her hands.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)I would love for it to be the death knell for the conservative agenda
brush
(53,743 posts)Love it.
obamanut2012
(26,047 posts)Who will have a 75-25% split between Trump and Johnson.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)that makes sense, I can see that
Little Star
(17,055 posts)his endorsement of Hillary but I'd applaud him if he did so in a timely manner.
Response to uponit7771 (Original post)
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uponit7771
(90,304 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)""20 percent of Sanders supporters said they would back Trump over Clinton in the general election in a poll conducted last month. Now that number is down sharply to only 8 percent, which means the progressive wing of the party is getting behind the woman who is seeking to become the first female president in United States history."
A drop in claims to vote for Trump does not mean the vote now goes to Clinton. That message is more propaganda.
This is not an "xor" choice. I know of many Bernie supporters who are sitting this one out rather than participate in what many believe is an eight-year extension to a do-nothing government and worsening conditions for everyone. Low voter turnout favors Trump.
If she pivots to the right, it will only become worse. The only reason I'm paying attention is for the possibility of a Warren VP choice.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)brush
(53,743 posts). . . many believe is an eight-year extension to a do-nothing government and worsening conditions for everyone. Low voter turnout favors Trump.
You're serious with that?