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RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:26 AM Jun 2016

Warren won't be VP because she isn't ready and brings little to the table overall. Simple as that.

What does Warren bring to the table besides "exciting" the progressive base which is already going to vote for Hillary? Hm? Yes, she is a very smart lawyer with a specialty in fiscal matters. But she has been in the Senate for just three and a half years with little to no executive experience. She is from a northeastern deep blue state and brings no additional geography with her. She brings no additional demographics with her at all. Like it or not, in a general election we need to win a good number of suburban moderates in the heartland and other key areas. How does she help? And yes, we need men too, especially working class men.

Warren won't be the VP pick, but she will still be a surrogate who will be out there making great speeches, holding rallies, and hammering on Trump BIGTIME which will provide plenty of "excitement." We also need her as a Senate leader.

Picking Warren as VP would be a MISTAKE. Outside the "excitement" factor, she brings very little else to the ticket (much as I liker her).

Folks, this isn't some kind of feel-good-happy-dance game all about "excitement" and entertainment. This is the presidency and very serious business, and we need a person in the VP spot who brings much more to the ticket in the larger picture.

Tim Kaine and Sherrod Brown are my two top picks because they are from key swing states, have more experience in office, bring gender balance, and appeal to additional constituencies. I also like Xavier Beccera. He is very good too.

We need the RIGHT person as VP, not just the "exciting" person. Remember, Bernie was more "exciting" than Hillary, but Hillary won the primary with over 13 million more popular votes. Don't sell Americans short. We vote on much more than "excitement." We also vote on experience and other very important factors.

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Warren won't be VP because she isn't ready and brings little to the table overall. Simple as that. (Original Post) RBInMaine Jun 2016 OP
I disagree Skinner Jun 2016 #1
Wy does HRC suddenly need help in the anti-establishment category? ret5hd Jun 2016 #6
It's obvious she needs help in the anti-establishment category. Skinner Jun 2016 #7
+1 Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #28
+1 Agschmid Jun 2016 #8
The question is will Hillary pick Warren? NWCorona Jun 2016 #20
Why do we need "gender balance" when we've never had it before justiceischeap Jun 2016 #2
Gender balance seems too disingenuous... JaneyVee Jun 2016 #5
This ticket two powerful woman would have my vote! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #30
I'm right there with you! eom AwakeAtLast Jun 2016 #47
The patriarchal view is that Hillary needs a man WhiteTara Jun 2016 #23
There seems to be a lot of that going around today justiceischeap Jun 2016 #24
might as well wear corsets too WhiteTara Jun 2016 #25
I disagree. leftofcool Jun 2016 #3
She would run for president at 76 years old? TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #10
Biden gave the kick to same sex marriage and encouraged President Obama to join in! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #32
Im with Skinner on this... JaneyVee Jun 2016 #4
Isn't 240 years (Excepting Ferraro and Palin) enough to not need 'gender balance'? nt mattclearing Jun 2016 #9
Warren is much more effective where she is. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #11
This "muzzling" thing keeps coming up justiceischeap Jun 2016 #14
Nope. Nope. Nope. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #18
"gender balance" handmade34 Jun 2016 #12
Clinton-Warren '16! yallerdawg Jun 2016 #13
More experience than a certain skinny fellow with big ears had in 2008. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #15
I thought excitement counted for quite a lot during the Primary rallies. randome Jun 2016 #16
"Much as you like her?" jcgoldie Jun 2016 #17
+100 Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #33
She is the RIGHT person katmondoo Jun 2016 #19
Excitement means volunteering, donating, turnout. Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #21
So Obama's short tenure in the Senate kept you from supporting him too, yes? villager Jun 2016 #22
Men don't need validation. They are the validators. WhiteTara Jun 2016 #29
Good to have deciders here, isn't it, telling us who's valid? villager Jun 2016 #31
How else would we know what to think? WhiteTara Jun 2016 #34
Don't tell me you're worrying your pretty little head with.... thoughts!!? villager Jun 2016 #35
Thanks. For a minute there, I was thinking WhiteTara Jun 2016 #36
"What right do I have to think, eh?" villager Jun 2016 #38
Right? Oh, I was told WhiteTara Jun 2016 #39
I agree daa Jun 2016 #26
We're not losing a Democratic Senator. Chan790 Jun 2016 #40
Delaware was in the bank when Obama chose Senator Biden. Koinos Jun 2016 #41
Look misogynist for Hillary!!! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #27
Xavier Becerra for VP lunamagica Jun 2016 #37
I still like Warren as VP Gothmog Jun 2016 #42
How is she not "ready"? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #43
"don't sell Americans short" Mr Maru Jun 2016 #44
please not Tim Kaine. Please rurallib Jun 2016 #45
We also need racial balance texstad79 Jun 2016 #46

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
1. I disagree
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:31 AM
Jun 2016

In an anti-establishment year, Elizabeth Warren brings anti-establishment credibility to the ticket. She is the perfect person to attack Donald Trump's populist message as a fraud and a scam, and she is a very compelling advocate for Hillary Clinton.

The biggest downside to Elizabeth Warren as VP is the possible loss of a Massachusetts senate seat.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
20. The question is will Hillary pick Warren?
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:24 AM
Jun 2016

I personally don't see any other option but her at the moment.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
5. Gender balance seems too disingenuous...
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:40 AM
Jun 2016

As if the first female president needs a chaperone. F**k that, time to go bold: 2 powerful women destroying man baby Trump's ego and saving the world.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
30. This ticket two powerful woman would have my vote!
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 11:02 AM
Jun 2016

I think they balance each other out. Hawk/Dove. A little bit right/A little bit left. Very nice!

WhiteTara

(29,701 posts)
23. The patriarchal view is that Hillary needs a man
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:45 AM
Jun 2016

to validate her. 2 women standing together with no man to validate them is terrifying for many people.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
24. There seems to be a lot of that going around today
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:51 AM
Jun 2016

maybe we should give up the right to voting, owning property and having our own credit. 'Cause that stuff is hard for the ladies.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
3. I disagree.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:34 AM
Jun 2016

I think she brings a great deal to the ticket. I also think as VP, Hillary would give her free reign to work her magic in fiscal matters. I don't buy the fact the VPs don't do anything. I think they do a great deal behind the scenes, things we never see. She would also be a great president in 8 years.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
32. Biden gave the kick to same sex marriage and encouraged President Obama to join in!
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 11:04 AM
Jun 2016

They were a good combo. Although I had my doubts in the beginning, it worked very well

Oh and look it was two men working together and no one freaked out like above over two women.

This is 2016 you know!

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
4. Im with Skinner on this...
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:36 AM
Jun 2016

We need Warren as VP. MUST HAPPEN. VP is also the senate tie breaker and Im confident her seat is safe and that we will gain senate seats. She would also have plenty of leverage over presidential decisions. HILLIZABETH 2016!

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
14. This "muzzling" thing keeps coming up
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 09:36 AM
Jun 2016

Who is going to muzzle her? Do you think that if Clinton asks her to be VP and she accepts that Clinton would muzzle her? The woman who turned the First Lady "position" on its head? I think she would give Warren the autonomy to do what Warren wants and needs to do within the Constitutional limits of the position.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
18. Nope. Nope. Nope.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:02 AM
Jun 2016

The VP does not steal the president's thunder - In any administration.

Warren is free to speak her mind now. Keep it that way.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
16. I thought excitement counted for quite a lot during the Primary rallies.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 09:44 AM
Jun 2016

I thought millions of young people were brought to the Democratic Party because of excitement.

Warren is both exciting and smart. She is the liberal lion we need.

jcgoldie

(11,629 posts)
17. "Much as you like her?"
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 09:46 AM
Jun 2016

I'm finding that increasingly difficult to believe with each successive day when you post another opinion piece calling her unqualified to be VP and a mistake in capital letters and yet you seem to think all the alternatives who have junk in their pants would be perfectly fine.

Warren is capable and qualified and she will help bring voters to the polls which is the number one reason to pick a running mate. I realize sexism is a thing that will affect voting behavior but I find it hard to believe that many rednecks will be sitting at home going...
"Ok ok one woman I can do it... but TWO women!?! No way THAT'S a bridge too far!"

What did she do anyway take your parking space?

Edit this to add: The fact that she's only late in life became a career politician which you seem to think disqualifies her can probably only help in this political climate in which "outsiders" are celebrated.

WhiteTara

(29,701 posts)
29. Men don't need validation. They are the validators.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 11:00 AM
Jun 2016

They are the standard and the rest of us are just accessories.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
35. Don't tell me you're worrying your pretty little head with.... thoughts!!?
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 11:14 AM
Jun 2016

Road to perdition, that....

WhiteTara

(29,701 posts)
36. Thanks. For a minute there, I was thinking
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 11:18 AM
Jun 2016

and now my head hurts. I need some bon bons and a good soap opera! You just saved me!

WhiteTara

(29,701 posts)
39. Right? Oh, I was told
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 11:30 AM
Jun 2016

ability! After all, men know so much more than women, that's why they leave all the sh*t work to us. We only know how to clean up after them. If we thought, we would probably prevent their messes to begin with. But alas, we are mere women and we need a man to tell us what to think and what to do.

2 women together are terrifying because they work together and create solutions to real problems. Viva men! Bring on the white man to produce the revolution...even if 2 women at the top of the political structure is the real revolution!

daa

(2,621 posts)
26. I agree
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:57 AM
Jun 2016

Massachusetts is in the bank. Hillary would be the first woman, don't need 2. I love Waaren but not a lot of experience and we would lose a democratic senator. Remember Scott Brown.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
40. We're not losing a Democratic Senator.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 11:31 AM
Jun 2016

MA has a special election law, there will be a special election to elect her replacement.

We don't need to remember Scott Brown...Brown won because Martha Coakley ran a terrible campaign.

It's a strong-likelihood that if Warren is elected as VP, the nominee to replace her will be Deval Patrick, the very-popular former governor. There's no GOP upstart that is going to come out of the woodwork and win that race.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
27. Look misogynist for Hillary!!!
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:58 AM
Jun 2016

"Gender balance". Really? Men won't vote for a two woman ticket? Okie dokie!

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
43. How is she not "ready"?
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:20 PM
Jun 2016

Elizabeth Warren would've been completely qualified to be president had she chosen to run this year. If you think she's not ready, was President Obama also unready in 08?

Also hell no to Sherrod Brown. He'd be a great VP if not for the fact that Kasich would get to appoint his replacement and I have no confidence in our ability to vote that replacement out in a midterm election. Ohio is much redder than Massachusetts after all. Xavier Beccera would be a good choice though.

Mr Maru

(216 posts)
44. "don't sell Americans short"
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jun 2016

Yeah, let's begin by stopping with selling them short on this whole "gender balance" line of bull.

Warren can help bring populists along in key states like Wisconsin and other swing states where a few point boost with white working/middle class voters makes all the difference.

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