Some Sanders Supporters are Betraying Sanders

[BaronChocula]

Bernie Sanders' message resonated more than any other candidate's in the 2016 race. While even some Trump supporters admitted that Trump could be a bit much at times, Sanders supporters were with 100% of what Sanders had to say - that is until now for some reason. In spite of his plea to Sanderistas (old Burlington term) that Clinton must be elected, many of them are stabbing Sanders in the chest by pledging to support Gary "and what is Aleppo" Johnson. I would like to hear them reconcile that betrayal. But I'm not holding my breath.

Not to assail their intellectual capacity, but Johnson's positions don't even mesh with what Sanders worked so hard to get into the Democratic platform. So it's all symbolic. Right now I'm listening to "the news" talk about "the issues young voters care about," and there clearly many of those young voters who have licked their wounds and followed Bernie over to Camp Clinton. But those who are supporting Johnson, are they really concerned about the issues? I hope Sanders calls them out.

[onecaliberal]

1. I'm so sad to say I agree

[politicaljunkie41910]

94. That's why politicians shouldn't use words like "Revolution" so loosely.

Words have meanings and when used loosely, can have unintended consequences. You can't get young people all psyched up with talk of a "Revolution" for more than a year and then suddenly say "Revolution cancelled. I'm with her now." And I don't say this to demean anyone, but maturity takes time. Words Matter. Words have Consequences. When you call for a Revolution, you essentially have declared war and that the opposition is now a sworn enemy. Bernie made a mistake in calling his political campaign a "revolution" particularly since he was targeting predominately young people. A political campaign is a political campaign.

This nation has been involved in exactly ONE revolution. This was the decision to succeed from under the rule and the oppressive thumb of the King of England. It was Liberty or Death. It was not and should never be taken lightly. Political Parties have come and gone over the course of this nation's history. Within this country, people are free to come and go within the structure of a political party. The reasons parties come and go is because one size doesn't fit all. And sometimes the ideas and philosophy of a party can change, or evolve over time. But make no mistake; this is not North Korea. If you don't like the party, you are free to work within the structure to try and change it or you can leave. But one shouldn't mistake the political party as a revolution in which the members are now sworn enemies and combatants. I think that Bernie needs to do more to fix this and fix it quick. Yes he says he now supports her candidacy, and has appeared on the campaign stump for her. But somehow those speeches weren't as passionate as those which called for the 'revolution". Also, from the beginning of the end of his campaign, he made such comments as: "It's not my job to convince his supporters to vote for her; that's her job. But he refused to formally drop out like had been done in previous campaigns with the goal of keeping his campaign an followers together all the way to the floor of the Convention which kept the "revolution" going and he seemed to relish in doing so as if he didn't and couldn't let it go. Even during the Convention Sanders continued to meet with his followers about how the revolution movement moved forward. So no wonder his followers seemed unwilling to let the 'revolution' subside'. Bernie didn't appear to want to see it die himself. Instead he said he wanted to see it continue. No one should be surprised that such turmoil continues. At this point, the past is prologue. It is, what it is. We continue to move forward as a party, with whatever remains of it.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

101. I see your point but theres another problem here w/ those expecting instant gratification -

"revolution" wasnt cancelled - it was partially absorbed into Clinton platform and the idea was to keep on pushing.

Thats why THIS Bernie supporter voted for him - at my advanced age Im a realist/pragmatist, but Bernie said thats what he was going to do if he didnt win the nomination, and I believeed him. And that's what he did do.

Same thing happened with Obama - everyone thinks you elect a president and thats it - no more effort required for another four years. And then they wonder why he ended up being a centrist and unable to budge the R majority in congress who were quite open about their intention to obstruct everything & anything.

Even if Bernie had been nominated and elected, do you think he could accomplish ANYTHING without significant continued public demand???

[liberal N proud]

2. They probably were only supporting BS to oppose Clinton

Something I always suspected throughout the primary

[Hortensis]

23. SOME were. Yes. But they come from across the spectrum

and a bunch of different groups.

By far most were strong liberal Democrats who wanted more reform than Hillary promised, but who turned seamlessly to her when she won the nomination. They always were "us."

Some were from the far left but genuinely progressive and chose Bernie for his stated goals.

Some were far-left anti-Democrats. The name really says it all. They never were "us." They're very real and were all over DU for a while. They're left wing but extremists who can't be bothered to worry about conservatives because they're too busy despising and blaming liberals and Democrats for everything. Jealousy big time. And disappointment--they thought they were going to take over and "purge" the party of the rest of us. Uh-huh. To them, Bernie's the betrayer.

Some were identified by analysts as romantics who wanted to be part of a movement, and lots of those were also personality cultists who wanted a strong leader to attach to.

A significant number of Bernie supporters were conservative spoilers who never intended to vote for either of them in the general. Betrayers from day 1 and part of the mess on the right.

And many, many were/are angry populist types from across the spectrum, who resent some amorphous victimizing "the establishment" that they see Hillary as belonging to, but who regard both Bernie and Donald as populist saviors because they...say they are. (Bernie means it, in spite of his very establishment background, but Trump'd see us all on our knees before himm.) Of course many of those now support Donald and have decided Bernie is a traitor.

Btw, over 80% of Bernie supporters are Hillary supporters. And even probably roughly half of the conservatives in the Democratic Party are also Hillary supporters (unusual--almost all usually go Republican for president). We're doing really well. The other, hostile ones were never part of "us," and we can't lose what we never had.

[Mamajami]

85. Nina did a fairly good job of turning black millennials against Hillary and she is still damning

her with faint praise. Just watch her on TV. Never gives a defense of Hillary for anything. She just keeps on harping on how bad Trump is and that is ok but we all know that. To Nina, Hillary, is undeserving of black millennial votes and she says this in so many subtle ways. I can't stomach her.

[meadowlark5]

3. If they flocked to Jill Stein that would at least make some sense

But Johnson? He espouses nothing, not one thing remotely close to Bernie's agenda and views. I think early on they heard Johnson wants to legalize pot across the nation and instead of really looking at what a libertarian platform looks like, they assumed legal pot means the guy must be cool and progressive. People who supported Bernie and now have switched to the polar opposite of him with Johnson don't make sense.

Or is this support more to collapse the 2 party system? They can't bring themselves to vote for Trump but by voting for Johnson could throw the election to Trump and that will hasten the "political revolution"?

[Cattledog]

4. They are like the Russian nihilists of 1900

who followed a Russian revolutionary party that found nothing to like in the established social order.

[SMC22307]

5. Swipes at Sanders' supporters.

Never gets old.

[GreenPartyVoter]

8. Not even a little. *sigh*

[Duval]

9. Really!!

I know you remember what Sanders told his supporters regarding voting. "Don't listen to me".

[BaronChocula]

14. But even then he was saying

We can not let Donald Trump be elected president.

[JudyM]

13. Yep.

Any angle will do, any time...

[BaronChocula]

16. Full disclosure

I've been supporting Sanders since I was old enough to vote in the 80s. I'm only talking about the Sanders supporters who are abandoning the platform he fought for.

[SMC22307]

27. Uh-huh.

Why not ask these platform-abandoning supporters directly? Plenty of sites out there. Surely you didn't expect Hillary-supporting DU to answer your question with anything other than "hipster bros," eh?

[BaronChocula]

52. Yeah

Who says I haven't? All I get there is anti-Hillary screeds that sound like RNC talking points.

[NobodyHere]

98. Was it any different than the GD:P forums during the primary?

[otohara]

20. They're The Talk of the Country

Yesterday was Millennial day on every damn news channel which filtered on the the internet.

Frankly I'm sick of hearing about them - so is my Millennial son who was all in for Sanders when he was touring with a band he was working for - he was in charge of visuals and there was Sanders up on the LED wall after every show - they had registration tables. And then .... he flipped to Hillary.

His hipster Bro friends treat him like he's a traitor now. He was in Ohio for a 3 day festival last week and people would walk up to him and say snarky, nasty comments to him.

How long is this going to go on?

[SMC22307]

28. "hipster Bro friends"

There it is.

[otohara]

64. That's Who They Are

they work the music festival/venue circuit and call each other Bro and claim they won't vote for Hillary, now way no how! They are still badmouthing Hillary on Facebook/Twitter.

I guess you forgot Sanders supporters yelling whore, whore, whore at Hillary supporters and writing vile messages to anyone who supported Hillary.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/clinton-backers-feel-the-bern-of-angry-sanders-supporters/

I am an aging hippie which made me a hippie in the 60's/70's - then I ventured into a punk... back to hippie status.

[Tarheel_Dem]

39. +a million! Sick to death of hearing about them. Perhaps they'll finally realize that they'll.....

suffer right along with the rest of us. The next POTUS is expected to possibly replace up to 3 USSC Justices. I can't see how that benefits "millenials" if that POTUS is Donald Trump. Makes no sense to me.

[riderinthestorm]

40. Yup. nt

[Demsrule86]

46. If they plan to vote for Johnson as described...

they are not Bernie supporters and never were.

[SMC22307]

55. You can't possibly know that.

People support Sanders for many different reasons. If these same voters believe that Johnson or Stein better represent their views than Hillary, they're gonna vote for Johnson or Stein. And calling them names and insulting their intelligence is not the way to persuade them otherwise. This *ain't* rocket science.

[pnwmom]

63. Yes, we can. Bernie's socialism and Johnson's libertarianism are diametric OPPOSITES.

No one who genuinely supported Bernie's left-wing progressive economic policies could ever support Johnson and his plans to cut Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and everything else Libertarians and other right-wingers like to call the "nanny state."

[pnwmom]

53. Voting for Trump, the libertarian, or even the Green dictator-lover

is a betrayal of Sanders and everything he stands for.

[pnwmom]

62. I don't have a newfound concern for Bernie. I have the same concern for progressive ISSUES

that I've always had, and that he and Hillary share.

[MagickMuffin]

6. Operation Chaos: Ring A BELL: A Refresher

During the 08 campaign Rush Limpbaughs urged and encouraged his minions to vote for Barack Obama to throw the primaries to Obama. In other words it was designed to destroy Hillary's chances of winning the Democratic nomination.

I saw it first hand working the precinct convention in Texas. The perceived notion that America would never / could never elect a black man. Only problem with that plan (which backfired) is they lost to the black man TWICE!

I believe the Sanderistas / Bernie Bros. were trying to implement the same plan. They were most likely using the same tactics as in '08. Every Bernie Sander's supporters I have talked with are voting for Hillary. Myself included!

So, I'd say they were not that interested in Bernie from the get go.

[Duval]

7. No, the support is more for Jill Stein, not Johnson.

And, Sanders told his supporters that he would NEVER tell anyone how to vote, and if he DID, to IGNORE him. So, no betrayal here at all.

[Demsrule86]

48. He has asked his supporters to vote for Hillary.

If you are not voting for the Democratic nominee then you have no respect for what Bernie stood for...Jill Stein is a green tool...nothing but a spoiler. In order to get Bernie's revolution going, we must elect a Democrat...thus if one is willing to throw the election to Trump by voting for Stein or even the orange monster, (not saying you are doing so )it is not about policy maybe spite? The primary is over. Time to do what you can to stop Trump and save the country.

[SMC22307]

60. Team Hillary wants "to get Bernie's revolution going," eh?

Is that the new tack? LOL

[MADem]

104. Well, he's telling them how to vote now. So he either didn't mean it the first time, or he's a

liar.

I don't think he's a liar.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/09/25/bernie-sanders-millennials-4-big-reasons-vote-hillary-clinton.html

[Madam45for2923]

10. Some were Liberitarian to start with so they just went back, non?

[BaronChocula]

11. I'm sure that's true for some

I talk to some who are still writing in Sanders which is ironically a betrayal to him.

[SMC22307]

29. Oh, the drama!

Failed drama, that is. No "betrayal," no matter how much you wish it so.

...we are not a movement where I can snap my fingers and say to you or to anybody else what you should do, because you won't listen to me. You shouldn't. Uh, you'll make these decisions yourself.

http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-told-supporters-hed-never-tell-them-how-to-vote/

What he said is that Hillary, like any candidate, must earn votes.

[emulatorloo]

44. Dunno, Bernie's everywhere asking voters not to vote third party

Clearly he has a preference and is seeking to convince people to vote for the Democratic nominee.

Of course he can't tell anybody how to vote. Nobody can. But IMHO he's a very persuasive guy.

Agreed "betrayal" is a melodramatic word.

[SMC22307]

56. Good. Then Team Hillary should be thanking him. (n/t)

[JTFrog]

84. Everyone here should be Team Hillary by now.

Seems like you are only interested in rehashing primary shit in this thread. This is definitely the wrong site to push your message that voting third party doesn't betray what Bernie has asked of his supporters. That's a dangerous message that Bernie would never support. And this is definitely the wrong place to push third party advocacy.

But then you knew all that already.

[stonecutter357]

102. you seem very concerned.

[BobbyDrake]

12. "Some" Sanders supporters weren't for him, just pure anti-HRC. Frauds, in other words.

And they used Sanders because he ran against HRC, and continue to do so now, even though Sanders has lived up to his word to campaign for HRC and against Trump. So really, and I'm trying to be sincere when I say this, it's wrong to even continue to call such people "Sanders supporters," because they never were and still aren't. We should just call them "the angry fringe," because that's what they are, and leave Sanders' name out of it.

If they're backing Gary Johnson, then just call them Gary Johnson supporters.

[Kathy M]

18. Agree with what you said .

[bigwillq]

15. That's life.

Not everyone is always going to agree with everyone, or support the folks Sanders wants them to support. There's no reason to call anyone out, they're not going to vote for who Sanders wants them to vote for no matter what Sanders says anyway. Sanders should just focus on selling the candidate he supports and not really worry about anything or anyone else.

[still_one]

17. Those that subscribe to that view are self-absorbed idiots. With the Supreme Court at stake, their

actions show their pseudo concern for the poor are empty words

[Kathy M]

22. Agree with this also ..... now and for many years but looking back

This thread brought back memories of the first couple times I voted and my mom telling me who to vote for . It kinda rubbed me the wrong way ( this usually happened few weeks before election ) . As the election drew closer she backed off with the debates etc.... On election day of course I voted democrat we always did , except for one Congressman years ago ( LaTourette )

[still_one]

32. This election is unique, because the wrong outcome will have a lasting impact that will change the

very fabric of America for years to come. I am of course referring to the Supreme Court

[Kathy M]

37. Agree .....

I was just referring to when young first couple elections are they thinking of Supreme court ? Supreme Court is very important I just do not think some realize or know the ramifications .......

[grossproffit]

19. I've moved on. My job now is to keep getting Republicans to vote for HRC instead of Don the Con.

[Rocknrule]

21. Hey, political revolution takes sacrifice!

And the lives and livelihoods of blacks, gays, women, Hispanics, the poor, Muslims, etc. is a price they're willing to pay to accomplish that!

These self-righteous special snowflakes can take their "conscience" and "principles" and shove them where the sun don't shine

[jalan48]

24. What's snowflake mean?

[grossproffit]

30. Entitled twits that demand special treatment. Miserable people. It's all about them or nothing.

[jalan48]

34. I see.

[grossproffit]

36. Uh huh.

[mythology]

25. He got 113,206,428 votes. Is he supposed to take each of them by the hand to vote for Clinton?

Sanders has endorsed and is campaigning for Clinton. Just as Clinton did for Obama in 2008.

That is all anybody can do. His voters are allowed to vote for who they want. It's a little odd to be posting this here. His supporters here are supporting Clinton. Some number of Clinton supporters in 2008 didn't support Obama in the general. He still won. Clinton has to do the same.

[BaronChocula]

50. My issue isn't with Bernie.

My issue is with the people who are turning their back on the platform he fought hard for.

[SMC22307]

61. Which candidate's platform most closely matches Sanders'? (n/t)

[former9thward]

105. You added an extra 100 million votes to his total.

[Mamajami]

26. It really won't matter if he calls them out. They won't listen to him. Remember a portion of

Bernie's supporters were actually privileged well-off millennials who will not suffer any hardship no matter who is elected. They liked his stand on pot and his rants against the system. This was not indicative of the majority of his supporters who actually stood on principled positions and sincere respect for Bernie.

[SMC22307]

33. "privileged well-off millennials"

And there's another one.

[aikoaiko]

31. Dont worry about a thing. Every little things is going to be alright.

There's no need to be dramatic.

If you were paying attention, Bernie had brought together a coalition of people with diverse interests. Some were on the same page with him on all issues and some not so much. It is not surprising that a small percentage are going elsewhere with their GE vote.

They aren't really betraying Bernie. They only thing they owed Bernie was their vote during the primary. And all of that is over now.

[Sorceress]

35. As a Sanders supporter, I respect that it is

As a Sanders supporter, I respect that it is their choice to make. But I don't get their choice either. I just don't.

[mountain grammy]

38. Bernie supporters not voting Hillary

were never truly Bernie supporters.

[Avalux]

41. Do you have numbers for how may Sanders supporters are with Johnson?

As with any other group of people, not all Sanders supporters are with Clinton, some may actually be voting for Trump too. Bernie has called them out, explained the importance of this election and urged them to support Clinton.

I'm not sure why you felt a need to post this, but the primary was put to bed here awhile ago and it's best to leave it there.

[revbones]

42. Bernie isn't a cult-leader.

People supported him because of his policies. It's plain and simple. Nobody should have expected his followers to just vote whichever way he says to, and frankly he never did either. He's always said Hillary would have to earn those votes.

[qdouble]

68. If they support Sanders for his policies than backing Gary Johnson makes no sense

[revbones]

69. Some obviously feel otherwise

as they do support Johnson. That said, many support Stein.

If you're looking for an honest discussion of why a segment of Sanders supporters aren't supporting Clinton, well this isn't the site for that. All you're going to get here without an alert is constant insults toward those that aren't supporting her - often with even more venom than for those voting Republican / Trump as seen by this and other threads.

Editted to add: All that said, given the vitriol given to the Green Party/Stein as well as the overt untruths floated around, there's little else than Johnson for those that can't bring themselves to vote for Clinton. I think many of us fail to comprehend the depth of that sentiment felt by some.

[qdouble]

70. I find it perfectly reasonable that some Sanders supporters don't like Hillary.

However, supporting Gary Johnson (or Trump as some do) shows that they have a very flimsy ideological basis behind their support beyond personality politics... as other than a very few issues, their policy positions are polar opposites.

That many voters choose who they vote for based on irrational and superficial reasons is no great revelation, but it's sad nonetheless.

[revbones]

72. I'm sure many of them can rationalize their choices and

find they have the same thoughts about who you politically support as well. You won't get anywhere just assuming they have no good reasons other than a "very flimsy idealogical basis" and label them as irrational instead of trying to understand their reasons.

[qdouble]

73. Voting for someone in the general election who has polar opposite positions on issues

than the person you voted for in the primary shows that you don't have strong issue based convictions. Speaking the truth has nothing to with me convincing them of anything, I'm just stating facts, I'm not campaigning.

[revbones]

75. No, you're really just stating your opinion

and claiming it is fact in order to disparage others.

[qdouble]

87. No. If you vote for positions that are the exact opposite of what positions you claimed to have held

just a few months prior, that shows a lack of conviction in your positions. If you understand what the word "conviction" means and what the word "position" means, I don't know how my statement can be misconstrued as anything other than non subjective, factual analysis.

[JTFrog]

86. Ignore that dude.

He has never shown support for Hillary. Always defending the deplorables instead and pushing third party bullshit. No idea how he is still here.

[qdouble]

88. yeah, I'm fine with people not liking Hillary or supporting the nominee...

it's the pretenders that are the most disturbing.

[BobbyDrake]

89. This isn't a site for insulting Democratic voters, said someone insulting Democratic voters.

The cognitive dissonance of you is astounding.

Poor you, you had to see something critical of the narcissist Jill Stein. Maybe GreenNihilistsUnderground would be more your speed?

If you're on a site called DemocraticUnderground, and get offended by people who are Democrats, supporting other Democrats, while being critical of non-Democrats who attack Democrats, and all you can do is whinewhinewhine about people not sucking up to the Green Party enough for you, then you're on the wrong site.

Peddle support for Putin's useful idiots the Green Party elsewhere, perhaps. The only "overt untruth" is that one offered by the brain dead morons who say, "Jill Stein is qualified to be president."

[revbones]

90. That's a bit juvenile to say.

No, I saw something disparaging of voters that may vote Democratic down-ticket as I said. Perhaps you should re-examine the comment thread.

[BobbyDrake]

91. Perhaps you should stop promoting alternative parties on a Democratic site.

Maybe you wouldn't be so offended if you tried to adhere to the terms of service. Perhaps you should re-examine those.

Maybe someday all the anti-Democrat wishes will come true and GreenPartyFuckfacesUnderground will be a real site, but not today.

[revbones]

93. Rather than misinterpret and then double-down on that misunderstanding

I'd suggest you re-read and ask that you show me where I promoted a 3rd party here or failed to adhere to the terms of service.

Perhaps you could stop bashing democrats for a few minutes and stop doubling down on such a foolish error.

[BobbyDrake]

95. Now you're just projecting at me. No thank you.

3rd party sympathizers don't get to lecture me about "bashing Democrats." The folks I'm criticizing aren't Democrats, by their own admission.

[revbones]

96. Nope, just telling it like it is.

If you can't even look back to prove your point about me violating the terms of service or falsehood about me defending anyone other than potential downticket dem voters, then it's not really worth my time since you're not going to register truth anyway and are just interested in spouting forth more falsehoods about others.

[BobbyDrake]

97. This is too cute. Must be a slow day on JPR for this to be the best use of your time.

Maybe there these antics earn kudos? Maybe there, 3rd party sympathizers are lauded as heroes?

Oh look... There you are! Active 2 days ago, too, applauding Jill Stein's NC ballot access!


Maybe keep your backwards third-party efforts on your backwards third-party website.

[revbones]

99. Wow. Stalk much?

Yes, I'm a member at JPR - as are many here. I also checked it two days ago as your screenshot proves. I don't deny reading posts at JPR. I read posts/articles at many different sites. Is that your best proof for your absurd falsehoods in this thread about me? Really?

Go ahead and look and see what if anything I've posted there. Have fun. You won't find any justification at all for you falsehoods here.

And even if I had actually posted anything that would justify your attacks here, it would have been irrelevant to the discussion at hand, or the falsehood you promoted saying I defended anyone other than potential downticket Democratic voters or even your ridiculous claim that I violated the terms of service here.

Please back up your claim that I violated the terms of service in this thread, unless you're saying membership on another site and reading posts there constitutes a TOS violation. If so, then perhaps you may want to re-read those terms of service.

Please also back up your claim that I insulted Democratic voters or stood up for anyone other than Democratic voters in this thread.

You can't do either, so you resorted to childishly stalking me on other sites hoping that I had lived up to your absurd claims so you could try to claim some victory without owning up to the falsehoods you stated here about me. If you think a membership elsewhere is a way to claim victory in that, then wow - it says much more about you than me.

Really you just wanted to attack someone, and now can't be big enough of a person to admit you were wrong in doing so to me based on your apparently not reading what I posted here or even trying to go back and reread to see your mistake. And now you're just seeking out other ways to malign me to dig even deeper and try to avoid admitting you were wrong. Nice.

[BobbyDrake]

100. Wow, lose your cool much?

I see being exposed as a JPR infiltrator doesn't sit well with you. Maybe you should end your participation at that hate-site, if having people see your involvement there is clearly so embarrassing to you.

The behaviour of folks like you is so laughable because it's so inept and obvious. You're fooling no one but yourselves.

[revbones]

106. Lol

A JPR infiltrator? rofl You are too much.

Wow. Such conspiracy theories. All to avoid admitting you either misread and won't reread to discover your mistake and have to recant your ridiculous accusations or just to dig deeper and make even more ridiculous ones.

You did the stalking. Might want to look at the join date there vs the join date here before you accuse someone of being an "infiltrator". rofl. You are too much. Please continue, it's hilarious at this point.

Also, you are still avoiding pointing out where I violated the terms of service here in this thread as you accused me of doing, or your claim that I insulted Democratic voters or stood up for anyone other than Democratic voters in this thread. Are you admitting those were just lies now by going down this 'infiltrator' conspiracy?

If you weren't lying then please point to where I did those things. Otherwise, man up and admit your mistake/lie.

[BobbyDrake]

108. Obvious third-party sympathizer is obvious.

That's your ToS violation right there. Why not just scuttle back to JackassRidiculous.com, maybe there someone will applaud you for these antics. Obsessing over this for several days hasn't fixed it for you. Typing more and more words hasn't fixed it for you. All it does is bump the thread showing you're more loyal to there than here, so by all means, yes, keep responding.

[revbones]

109. You are too funny.

The fact that you think my membership on another site is a ToS violation is hilarious. You still haven't provided proof of your accusations so I'm guessing you're admitting that they were lies. Thanks.

Please keep up the conspiracy theories and attacks, it's pretty entertaining. Seriously funny that you think the ToS magically changes to whatever you feel it says at the time enabling you to attack others.

Where in the ToS might I ask does it say membership on another site is a violation? rofl.

Thanks for basically admitting your other attacks were lies since you refuse to address them. Too bad you weren't big enough of a person to expressly own up to it, rather than avoid the issue and continue to make outlandish attacks.

Also the fact that you said "third-party sympathizer" as if it was a McCarthyite statement is just icing on the cake. rofl

[BobbyDrake]

110. More words? ROFLMAO.

No, it's your third-party boosting on DU that sets you apart from genuine members here. The JPR membership is just an embarrassment for you that I wanted anyone who might make the mistake of taking you seriously to know about in advance.

Your defense is nothing but a logical fallacy.

[revbones]

112. Sure.

I'm not embarrassed at all.

If you really think my membership at another site is a terms of service violation here, why not cite the exact spot in the terms of service it violates? Your inability to back up your claims is what's embarrassing here.

Feel free to report me if you can prove I've violated the terms of service. Otherwise, why not try to be an adult and admit you were lying?

[BobbyDrake]

113. No one has argued your membership at JPR is a ToS violation.

Consider your straw man all burnt up. It's your boosting of alternative parties on DU. Sorry, I can't dumb it down any more because there's no input for crayons and cardboard paper here. You'll have to put the work in to catch up with the actual debate here.

Or just crawl back to JPR and join back in with their hateful mockery of women and minorities.

[revbones]

114. You're the one attacking me.

Then please prove your other claims that I violated the terms of service and show where in the ToS it says I've violated them. You claimed I was a "third-party sympathizer" (rofl) and then said "That's your ToS violation right there".

Please show me where I've been "boosting" alternative parties on DU. You can't, because I was standing up for people that might vote Democrat in down-ticket races.

No, crawl back in your hole if you can't support your claims, or at least be an adult and admit you were lying. I tried to assume you just misunderstood and asked you to reread my posts that you were claiming violated the ToS, but you either refused to or just ignored that you were wrong because you want to attack someone and think you have a valid reason, which is actually pretty hilarious and deserving of a tin foil hat.

"third-party sympathizer" rofl, that's the best though, it's like you just arrived and didn't realize it was 2016 and meant to say "communist sympathizer". I'm still laughing over that one.

Seriously, back up your claims or admit you were lying. Show how I violated the ToS. Report me if I did. Don't just throw around "you violated the terms of service" like it's your own personal cudgel to hit people with that you disagree with or want to attack for some reason.

[BobbyDrake]

115. Most JPR members react this badly when exposed for what they are.

So your behavior here is not surprising. But I guess in your rush to join a site like JPR that traffics in hate, misogyny, and open bigotry, you didn't stop to consider the consequences. Not my problem, though.

But yeah, keep bumping the thread too. The more people who see who you really are, the better.

ETA:

[revbones]

117. So now you're saying it's my membership there that offends you?

Despite you never finding offensive posts? Nice.

And you still refuse to back up your original ToS violation claims as well. Very adult of you. I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish here. You claim I've violated the ToS but can't back it up. You won't report me - I'm guessing because you know you're being ridiculous.

You went out cyber-stalking and found out I had a membership at JPR, but can't find any offensive posts there, and you seem to claim just having a membership is somehow an egregious act.

Yep, you certainly got me. rofl.

I obviously don't care if others see this comment thread, and would welcome it. You're the one that should be embarrassed here.

[BobbyDrake]

119. An army of straw men won't save you, or change anything.

You misrepresent my argument because you can't justify your membership on a hate-site, and having been exposed, you're reacting badly about it. Boo-fucking-hoo.

Have you tried not being a member of a hate-site instead? No? Well, that's on you. JPR filthmongers should just stay on JPR and leave DU alone.

[revbones]

120. Do you understand what a straw man argument is? It doesn't seem like it.

I'm not the one reacting poorly - you're the one attacking me, or not recanting the falsehoods you stated earlier when you bagan this attack. You're also the one cyber-stalking as well.

So you're still not willing to back up your ToS violation claims when you started this, or admit they were lies? Nice. Feel free to report me if you can scrounge up any actual proof you weren't lying about me violating the terms of service here. I'll be waiting.

I read a sign today at lunch. It said "Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction." I'm going to bow out now, since you just seem to want to throw out random juvenile attacks without backing anything up, and just maligning me for a membership at another political site. I'm sorry you are unable to see how sad and pathetic those attacks are, but hopefully one day you will realize how poorly you looked in all this. I hope whatever is plaguing your life to make you want to attack people and not admit you were stating falsehoods or mistaken gets resolved soon. Have a good weekend.

[BobbyDrake]

121. Lol, your attempts at logic are as deplorable as your off-DU activity.

A straw man is where you invent something to argue against that no one else ever said. For example, when you claimed that I called your active and recent JPR activity a TOS violation, when in fact I never said that. That's a straw man. Which you strangely keep bringing up despite it never happening!

I also read a sign today. It said, "A JPR member and his intelligence are soon parted." Have a good membership at a Trump-supporting hate-site!

[ucrdem]

43. Sanders' campaign was sort of like the last lounge in the boarding area

and a few didn't make the flight.

[Arazi]

45. Hillary has to earn their votes. Bernie can't force them to do anything

She's had big unfavorables since her 1st day of her campaign and has always known she's got to overcome that and find a way to persuade people to vote for her.

This isn't Bernie's fault or his supporters - it's Hillary's job now

[Mamajami]

51. And Johnson has earned their votes by ____________?

[BaronChocula]

71. Exactly!

All I did was ask why Sanders supporters would betray the platform he fought for and all the Hillary haters pile on. All of a sudden I'm the villain. There have been some pretty lame nonsensical excuses that don't even address the point. I think I struck a nerve

[grossproffit]

78. Having a penis.

[pnwmom]

54. She has, to anyone who can read or has ears. She's the only progressive in the race. n/t

[NCTraveler]

47. Sanders and his supporters...

Transitioned to Clinton very well after the convention. I was an am happy with that aspect.

The people who went from Sanders to Johnson are special. They were never Clintons to get and wasting time and money on them would be useless.

[ColemanMaskell]

49. Bernie supporters flipping to Johnson may just be psychologically unable to vote for a woman.

If I remember right there are estimated to be about 20% of Americans who have steadfast resistance to voting for a woman. If half of those are Dems, that could account for much of Johnson's support among former Bernie supporters. I'd rather they vote for Johnson than for Trump, if they can't bring themselves to behave rationally.

[JRLeft]

57. Voters cannot betray someone who's supposed to work for them.

Too many people believe support is entitled it is not. It must be earned.

The OP has this thing backwards.

[NurseJackie]

58. Sad, isn't it?

[duncang]

65. Remember Jill?

And the fake democrats at the convention? They are still out there. The other day one posing as a bernie sanders supporter asked a really trumpian question. And was escorted out. Even though he had a Sanders shirt on he pulled out a jill for prez sign as he was leaving. So there may be the same shit going on now. Jill is putting fake Sanders supporters in to sow havoc. Slash and burn tactics since she is a loser.

[ibegurpard]

66. insulting voters is stupid political strategy

Doesn't matter whether it's true or not. It just hardens their resolve.

[bravenak]

67. Who cares at this point, be nice if we could stop talking about them. Just makes them double down

ignore them and they will be bored with opposition for the sake of opposition.

[Nye Bevan]

74. Sanders is urging everyone to vote for Hillary.

Anyone who does not do so is therefore not a Sanders supporter.

[Eric J in MN]

76. Bernie has urged his supporters not to vote third party

...in multiple interviews.

Here is an example with Jake Tapper:

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/bernie-sanders-on-gary-johnson-212251450.html


“Look at (Gary Johnson's) point of view on issues like the environment, on climate change, on the economy,” Sanders said on CNN’s “State of the Union” Sunday. “And I think, if any of the people who voted for me take a hard look what he stands for, I think — and understand where he’s coming from — they will not be supporting him.”

Bernie is also going to be in MN, IA, WI and more this week campaigning for Hillary Clinton.

[Yallow]

77. It's Just The Future Of The Entire World At Stake - Toss Away A Protest Vote For Nuttery

And stick it to the girl.

Idiots.

I replace my Bernie Signs with Hillary Signs.

Stopping the deplorables is of the highest priority even if fools don't understand.

Wait till it is their sister that gets raped, and will die trying to have the child, and a deplorable denying her the right to an abortion.

Just wait.

[Doreen]

79. Bernie!!

I was Bernie all the way but when he did not get in I immediately went to Hillary without question as did most of the other people I know. Even if Bernie had asked not to go to Hillary I would have but Bernie is smart so I knew he would point us in her direction. I must admit that I feel better about Bernie's supporters gone Johnson or Stien better than some who have gone Trump but yes if they were true Bernie they would go for Hillary. For crying out loud She is directly working with him and I am sure none of the other three ( particularly Trump ) will work with him so what is their problem?

[The_Casual_Observer]

80. I guess at this point with all the shit Trump has said and done

Fuck them.

[Agnosticsherbet]

81. They are betraying progressive concepts like income equality, help for student loan debt, health

care, doing anything about global warming, and support giving individual states the right end marriage equality. They oppose public schools, support corporations having the right to do any damn thing they want to. Anyone who swings over to support Johnson never supported Sanders because of his policies. I suspect they are radicals more interested in revolution than better lives for Americans.

[LisaM]

82. A friend today told of a chat he had with a random guy

he met in a hotel while their rooms were being cleaned. The guy had supported Bernie but now he was going for Trump. He also hated Obama. I just had to conclude he was only comfortable voting for a white male.

[beachbum bob]

83. some will always betray as their egos are more important than our country's future

[Iggo]

92. Keep fighting that primary!

Everybody loves a sore winner!

[Gothmog]

103. A vote for stein or Johnson is a vote for trump

Sanders is supporting HRC and does not want Trump to be POTUS. A vote for Stein or Johnson is a vote for Trump

[oberliner]

107. Does Gary Johnson appeal more to those voters than Jill Stein?

That doesn't sound right.

[LP2K12]

111. It didn't sound right to me, but apparently... yes.

Many of my friends were Bernie supporters. As was I. I'm 30, so I'd say they range from 25-40. I'd say about 60% have transitioned over to supporting Clinton.

The rest are posting Johnson stuff every day. I've tried to explain the differences, but many don't want to hear it. They're stuck on the BS narratives given about Clinton.

These are friends I know, for sure, voted for Obama as well. It's very strange to me.

[NCTraveler]

116. Stop fighting the primary with bullshit lines like this.

"Bernie Sanders' message resonated more than any other candidate's in the 2016 race."

Sanders supporters have flocked to Clinton in droves. The party united in large part to Sanders excellent work. Your op is directly out of Trumps playbook of division.

[Orsino]

118. It's not a betrayal.

I believe you're referring to the few who were never going to get on board with an Establishment Democrat. If they care more about identity politics than about issues, no, they're not going to be vocal Clinton supporters and may be ashamed to be caught in what they might think of as a flip-flop. They may be anti-woman, or too bamboozled by all the anti-Clinton propaganda. We'll never know how serious their claims are now, or who they'll eventually vote for.

These aren't people we were ever going to consider potential Dem voters, and we might never have heard from them at all if not for Sanders' efforts. For the purposes of this election they're noise, not signal...but many of them might be wooed in the future.