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AmericanMan1958

(520 posts)
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 12:41 PM Oct 2016

Trump Suggests That Soldiers Who Suffer From PTSD Aren’t “Strong”

“When people come back from war and combat and they see maybe what the people in this room have seen many times over, and you’re strong and you can handle it, but a lot of people can’t handle it,” Trump told a room full of veterans.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/emaoconnor/trump-ptsd?utm_term=.uljk8ly6M#.hbm6m9GzL

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Trump Suggests That Soldiers Who Suffer From PTSD Aren’t “Strong” (Original Post) AmericanMan1958 Oct 2016 OP
OH... MY... GOD Fast Walker 52 Oct 2016 #1
Well that's sure to be a big hit at VFW lodges around the country *snark* vlyons Oct 2016 #2
Any other candidate (including a Republican) I might be inclined to give a pass for this bluestateguy Oct 2016 #3
the same nasty-words that drove elder son, Donalds older brother to an early grave. Sunlei Oct 2016 #4
I just wrote something similar! Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #7
His 10 year old son never smiles. Words hurt, Donalds an experienced pro at verbal abuse. Sunlei Oct 2016 #13
In the recent Frontline episode about Hillary an Donald... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #18
Not surprising. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #5
Says he, the dodger of service BSdetect Oct 2016 #6
I'm hoping Trump has his own attack of PTSD, on November 9. Siwsan Oct 2016 #8
bless you, that is excellent. niyad Oct 2016 #10
He's Already Too Crazy The River Oct 2016 #22
Here's an important observation... brooklynite Oct 2016 #9
Yep... WiffenPoof Oct 2016 #14
Gonna need to get more popcorn. Cracklin Charlie Oct 2016 #15
Dear God. He has no idea what being a feeling human being is like.. nolabear Oct 2016 #11
and he was talking to a roomful of vets. niyad Oct 2016 #12
After he gets trounced by a woman he will experience PTSD. TexasProgresive Oct 2016 #16
My husband spent a good portion of his professional life as a psychiatrist working at the VA mnhtnbb Oct 2016 #17
I hope this goat-mouthed, draft dodging piece of shit learns what it's like. VulgarPoet Oct 2016 #19
I hate to defend trump but... Doctor Jack Oct 2016 #20
I don't see how that mitigates what he said Fast Walker 52 Oct 2016 #21
Thats a good point Doctor Jack Oct 2016 #24
Yeah, just stiff upper lip time. Buck up. No sissies. Just be "strong". mnhtnbb Oct 2016 #23

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
2. Well that's sure to be a big hit at VFW lodges around the country *snark*
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 12:46 PM
Oct 2016

Trump just has this talent for saying exactly the wrong thing at the wrong time to the wrong audience. This one is sure to get commented on by HRC at her next debate.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
3. Any other candidate (including a Republican) I might be inclined to give a pass for this
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 12:47 PM
Oct 2016

But Trump's phony empathy with veterans has been shown over and over again.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
4. the same nasty-words that drove elder son, Donalds older brother to an early grave.
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 12:50 PM
Oct 2016
must be hell to work or live with him.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
18. In the recent Frontline episode about Hillary an Donald...
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 01:14 PM
Oct 2016

... some of Donald's former military school buddies said that he seemed to enjoy the bullying aspects of it.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
5. Not surprising.
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 12:50 PM
Oct 2016

He didn't seem to have much sympathy for his brother, Fred Jr, either.

Not that Fred Jr was in a war, but I can imagine some people getting PTSD after growing up with their father and his cutthroat attitudes (according to what I've heard about Fred Sr). Fred Jr became an alcoholic.

The River

(2,615 posts)
22. He's Already Too Crazy
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 01:53 PM
Oct 2016

There's no more room in his tiny little brain for that injury.
You have be a decent human being before the effects would be noticeable.

brooklynite

(94,452 posts)
9. Here's an important observation...
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 12:55 PM
Oct 2016

The speech that preceded the Q&A (which this comment was in response to) was on a teleprompter and was relatively controlled. This happened when he no longer had a script. Now think about the Town Hall debate format...

WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
14. Yep...
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 01:02 PM
Oct 2016

The Town Hall format is not going to be kind to Trump. The less controlled the environment, the less controlled Trump will be. I suspect that we will not only learn more about is lack of policy knowledge, but we will learn more about his temperament. In addition, he will want to throw the kitchen sink at Clinton...it will be too much for him to handle.

nolabear

(41,956 posts)
11. Dear God. He has no idea what being a feeling human being is like..
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 12:57 PM
Oct 2016

I'm so angry. I've known so many incredibly good people who were damaged by war, and who THESE words will harm. That bastard.

mnhtnbb

(31,377 posts)
17. My husband spent a good portion of his professional life as a psychiatrist working at the VA
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 01:14 PM
Oct 2016

from the 1970's through the late 1990's. And yes, he is also a vet from the Vietnam era: Major, USAF (Retired)

Trump is an ignorant, unempathic, cowardly a$$hole.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
19. I hope this goat-mouthed, draft dodging piece of shit learns what it's like.
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 01:15 PM
Oct 2016

Thankfully, the 9th'll probably do it for him.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
20. I hate to defend trump but...
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 01:23 PM
Oct 2016

...if you read his remarks he didnt seem to be suggesting that people with PTSD are weak. He said some people came back from war without mental health problems but others do. Sounds more like a slighly ambiguous, somewhat poor choice of words in one sentence. Maybe even not quite understanding the exact causes of PTSD. I can see how people can take it as meaning that people with ptsd are weak but I dont see that as the actual intention there.

" When you talk about the mental health problems, when people come back from war and combat — and they see things that maybe a lot of the folks in this room have seen many times over and you’re strong and you can handle it, but a lot of people can’t handle it,” Trump said. “And they see horror stories. They see events that you couldn’t see in a movie. Nobody would believe it.”

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
21. I don't see how that mitigates what he said
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 01:52 PM
Oct 2016

Yes, obviously he could have phrased it better, but that was the whole point.

Not to mention-- how does he know he wasn't talking to people who had or had had PTSD?

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
24. Thats a good point
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 03:59 PM
Oct 2016

He cant assume that the people in the audience didnt have ptsd as well. I suppose i see it as more ignorance or poorly worded and less malicious intent. I dont think that he was intentially trying to belittle people with ptsd but being careful about choice of words is obviously important for someone that wants to be president.

Perhaps i am so used to him saying overtly offensive things that his more subtle ignorance is slipping under my radar.

mnhtnbb

(31,377 posts)
23. Yeah, just stiff upper lip time. Buck up. No sissies. Just be "strong".
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 02:08 PM
Oct 2016

FFS. Do you tell people that who have depression, too? Snap out of it? They aren't "strong" enough to handle it?

Ever seen the play, "Copenhagen"? About Heisenberg and Niels Bohr and the Uncertainty principle?

"The play, written by Michael Frayn, re-enacts the meeting between Bohr and Heisenberg several times from different perspectives, reflecting different interpretations of what was said and what it meant."
http://unhmagazine.unh.edu/f02/uncertainty_principle.html

People can come away from the same experience affected differently and with different interpretations. It has nothing to do with "strength to handle it".

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