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brooklynite

(94,325 posts)
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 01:16 PM Oct 2016

BREAKING: Trump campaign canceling ad buys in critical swing States

Maggie Haberman ‏@maggieNYT 11 minutes ago Manhattan, NY
Trump campaign is canceling hundreds of thousands of dollars in advertising in Fla, NC, OH, possibly other states, per two buying sources.


Overconfidence or hopelessness?
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BREAKING: Trump campaign canceling ad buys in critical swing States (Original Post) brooklynite Oct 2016 OP
Broke? Renew Deal Oct 2016 #1
greed ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2016 #2
You're probably right Renew Deal Oct 2016 #11
Could be. And/or maybe a promised donor backed out. Hortensis Oct 2016 #19
It's hard to tell from the OP rsdsharp Oct 2016 #39
Maybe he wants to save the cash to pay back money he loaned his campaign. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2016 #43
Well, there is MSM's alert and dutiful coverage of the issues. Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #82
question - how reliable of a source is Maggie? ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2016 #3
She writes PasadenaTrudy Oct 2016 #17
I get it every sunday, and read the E-version daily ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2016 #24
Giving up Jason1961 Oct 2016 #4
Smart. Very smart. Many people are saying it. Those states aren't that important underpants Oct 2016 #5
LOL Lucinda Oct 2016 #23
That's awesome NewJeffCT Oct 2016 #25
Reminds me of a line from This is Spinal Tap VWolf Oct 2016 #63
Ha! Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #83
Incompetence Cary Oct 2016 #6
Weak. Tactical Peek Oct 2016 #7
Not questioning you but if so it's Dole in 1996 all over again underpants Oct 2016 #36
Sure, why waste money on a hopeless run. Rex Oct 2016 #8
He's going to keep the money rumdude Oct 2016 #9
Yes, I believe you are correct NewJeffCT Oct 2016 #30
Taking the Money and Run AmericanMan1958 Oct 2016 #41
Who in their right mind Cosmocat Oct 2016 #60
Relying on Russian hackers Iliyah Oct 2016 #10
Yeah, I was wondering when his donors would start complaining. Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #84
HE'S KEEPING THE DONATION MONEY !!! He'll find a way to grift the money for personal use uponit7771 Oct 2016 #12
yep. yellowcanine Oct 2016 #75
Trump is not doing that well in fundraising and Trump will not put enough money into the campaign Gothmog Oct 2016 #13
Trump claimed he forgave his loan to his campaign NewJeffCT Oct 2016 #28
Trump considers biggest donation yet to his own campaign Gothmog Oct 2016 #57
Hard to tell TSIAS Oct 2016 #14
He can keep the money raised for his campaign. A lot of people keep it for future runs. duncang Oct 2016 #80
And he's running TV ads here in Oregon. Go figure. n/t Binkie The Clown Oct 2016 #15
He knows he's going to lose... Coolie_J Oct 2016 #16
Is the RNC writing him off and using the money for other races? Doctor Jack Oct 2016 #18
Works for me. okwmember Oct 2016 #20
And, yet, his ads are playing in Oklahoma. Reddest of the red. nt Tess49 Oct 2016 #21
I saw one last night here in Kentucky get the red out Oct 2016 #32
Makes no sense. It's not as if he's at risk of losing here. n/t Tess49 Oct 2016 #78
He's letting the PACs spend the money. GoCubsGo Oct 2016 #22
My bet is that he's keeping the money to pay himself. apcalc Oct 2016 #26
Damn straight he is Cosmocat Oct 2016 #61
Clinton has to win one of the tossups to win the election Major Nikon Oct 2016 #27
LOL. New Hampshire is not, and has never been, a tossup. Stubborn Oct 2016 #29
From your own source... Major Nikon Oct 2016 #81
Don't be that person. Stubborn Oct 2016 #90
You do realize you are the person listing sources that are saying the same thing, yes? Major Nikon Oct 2016 #91
All those "toss-ups" are already blue! That's an old view of this election. Coyotl Oct 2016 #34
fivethirthyeight - updated one hour ago womanofthehills Oct 2016 #40
It "came out" 4 hours before I posted it Major Nikon Oct 2016 #87
Time to bank that money, Donald? The real con becomes obvious. Coyotl Oct 2016 #31
2 thoughts dreamer67 Oct 2016 #33
WRONG underpants Oct 2016 #37
Thank you for posting that ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #35
List of cancellations from her twitter feed. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2016 #38
Wow lark Oct 2016 #47
Is it RNC money? Jim Dandy Oct 2016 #42
He'll be pocketing that money mcar Oct 2016 #44
Time to wrap it up... BigRig Oct 2016 #45
Hip, hip, hurray! lark Oct 2016 #46
Surrender Time? Botany Oct 2016 #48
He's going full potato on RIGGED/ELECTION FRAUD/THE FIX IS IN!!!!" grossproffit Oct 2016 #49
Wow. Trump is canceling ads in swing states, but continuing them in states where it is +15 or more 4lbs Oct 2016 #50
Cutting his losses workinclasszero Oct 2016 #51
with four weeks to go,,,, Cryptoad Oct 2016 #52
New Trump campaign theme song Yavin4 Oct 2016 #53
Hopelessness, methinks ailsagirl Oct 2016 #54
He is keeping it Johnny2X2X Oct 2016 #55
What he can't personally pocket he'll use to payoff pols bigbrother05 Oct 2016 #59
Probably some of it Johnny2X2X Oct 2016 #64
Or perhaps they have some kind of cheating game in place? Helen Borg Oct 2016 #56
Who's going to help him? John Kasich? alcibiades_mystery Oct 2016 #67
Dunno, Russian hackers? Helen Borg Oct 2016 #79
I'll bet he hasn't paid the contractors and they stopped producing ads. yardwork Oct 2016 #58
Good point. News outlets always want full, pre-paid media buys. Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #86
Right. And the designers of the ads probably quit. yardwork Oct 2016 #88
Trump Mysteriously Scrambles His Ad Reservations In Crucial Swing States Retired George Oct 2016 #62
we'd better plan on sending him flowers elehhhhna Oct 2016 #65
Expect Blitzkrieg for debates bucolic_frolic Oct 2016 #66
Protecting his brand. He will do anything to do that remaineruk Oct 2016 #68
Too late. Donald J tRump's brand is now racist, bigoted, prejudiced and toxic. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #71
Yes but he doesn't think that way....he will just be thinking remaineruk Oct 2016 #74
Making TV Great Again Maru Kitteh Oct 2016 #69
^^^ THREAD WINNER ^^^ Auggie Oct 2016 #70
He is going to need money for sorefeet Oct 2016 #72
The writing's on the wall, right Don? TonyPDX Oct 2016 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author DeminPennswoods Oct 2016 #76
I've been seeing a lot of his ads here in NC. cwydro Oct 2016 #77
Election Night 2012: Romney cancels all staff credit cards leaving many stranded. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2016 #85
Did he hear something was about to explode with the Access Hollywood audio? spiderpig Oct 2016 #89
Yup. The tape is released, and his campaign is over. lindysalsagal Oct 2016 #92

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
2. greed
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 01:18 PM
Oct 2016

he is searching for a way to declare that money as a gift or non-taxable donation to his favorite charity - him.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. Could be. And/or maybe a promised donor backed out.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 01:40 PM
Oct 2016

Trump undoubtedly wants to keep enough in the kitty to reimburse his own invoices to the campaign, including profit, in full.

rsdsharp

(9,135 posts)
39. It's hard to tell from the OP
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 02:05 PM
Oct 2016

whether he has cancelled buys he originally intended to make, or whether he's cancelling buys already made. If it's the former it could be a lack of money. But if it's the latter, radio and TV stations require political money to be paid up front before airing the spots. If the buy is cancelled, he would get a refund, although probably not 100%. The closer to the election the cancellation occurs, the smaller the refund, in all probability.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,311 posts)
43. Maybe he wants to save the cash to pay back money he loaned his campaign.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 02:14 PM
Oct 2016

With all the bluster from him about how he was self financing didn't it turn out he was structuring the "self financing" as loans?

It's not like anybody will hold fundraisers to retire his debt.

He can pay himself back and stiff any vendors or employees left holding the bag. As per fucking usual.

Jason1961

(413 posts)
4. Giving up
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 01:20 PM
Oct 2016

It looks to me as though he's recognizing that he made another bad investment and is cutting costs.

He's probably going to funnel his campaign money into his own wallet again.

It's just another good sign for us.

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
63. Reminds me of a line from This is Spinal Tap
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 03:23 PM
Oct 2016

"We had to cancel a couple of tour dates in Boston. Don't worry, it's not a big college town."

Tactical Peek

(1,207 posts)
7. Weak.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 01:23 PM
Oct 2016

Remember, it's not his money. And the RNC has people who know how to read a poll who realize helping Trump is money down the drain, so they want it for Senate candidates and such.

Sad.

underpants

(182,591 posts)
36. Not questioning you but if so it's Dole in 1996 all over again
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 02:00 PM
Oct 2016

Haley Barbour (I think) realized that Dole was a lost cause so the party bailed on him.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
30. Yes, I believe you are correct
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 01:51 PM
Oct 2016

He wants to keep as much to himself as possible. Why spend a few million dollars on advertisements when he can keep it an line his own pockets? Maybe instead of 6 foot portrait of himself, he can get a 12 foot one now? And, a statue of himself in the courtyard of Mar A Lago.

Cosmocat

(14,558 posts)
60. Who in their right mind
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 03:16 PM
Oct 2016

From day one would not know, for a fact, this carpet bagging pos was going come out of this having somehow MADE MONEY off of it.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
28. Trump claimed he forgave his loan to his campaign
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 01:49 PM
Oct 2016

in May or June, I believe. However, the initial filing did not have evidence of that forgiveness. Did he ever actually do it?

Gothmog

(144,905 posts)
57. Trump considers biggest donation yet to his own campaign
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 03:05 PM
Oct 2016

Last week there was a story on politico about trump making a large additional contribution to the campaign in order to be competitive and to purchase $140 million in TV ads for the last month of the campaign http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-campaign-self-fund-228801

Donald Trump’s aides are discussing the possibility of asking him to write his biggest check yet to his own campaign to fund an ad blitz, and the billionaire candidate is open to the possibility, according to three people close to the nominee.
While Trump’s campaign has experienced a surge in small-dollar fundraising this month that could make an infusion of personal cash unnecessary, major Republican donors are nervous after a rocky first debate against Hillary Clinton and could ramp up pressure on their nominee to invest in the air war.

Trump’s campaign last week said that it was planning a $140-million television and digital advertising push between this week and Election Day, in an effort to cut into the massive advertising advantage enjoyed by Clinton.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-campaign-self-fund-228801#ixzz4MQa5kmH7
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

That additional campaign contribution is evidently not happening and so the campaign is cancelling advertising commitments

TSIAS

(14,689 posts)
14. Hard to tell
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 01:36 PM
Oct 2016

It's not as if he is allowed to keep the money he raised, so it wouldn't appear to be a result of being cheap.

If true, this is really bad news for Trump. These states were supposed to be close, and there's no way he wins without winning all of them.

duncang

(1,907 posts)
80. He can keep the money raised for his campaign. A lot of people keep it for future runs.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 05:32 PM
Oct 2016

After the election he can pull money from it. Just by saying he is doing feasibility studies in different states. Possibly paying for expenses out of the campaign money. He may even be able to pull some out saying he uses his office at trump towers part time for the same thing.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
18. Is the RNC writing him off and using the money for other races?
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 01:40 PM
Oct 2016

A lot of that money is theirs . Maybe they are giving up on him and trying to shore up money for down ticket races? They did it to dole in 1996

GoCubsGo

(32,073 posts)
22. He's letting the PACs spend the money.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 01:43 PM
Oct 2016

I get my TV out of Georgia. Some PAC has been constantly running a couple of really nasty anti-Hillary ads for the past few days. One of them likens her to Richard Nixon, which I find pretty hilarious. Hey, assholes. Wrong candidate. (Yes. I know it's just typical right-wing projection.)

I would guess that the Trump campaign is probably low on money, and is saving what little they have for the week or two before the election.

Major Nikon

(36,818 posts)
81. From your own source...
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 05:58 PM
Oct 2016
Suffolk University/Boston Globe Poll Shows Statistical Dead Heat in N.H., with 2-Point Advantage for Clinton

October 6, 2016

Democrat Hillary Clinton (44 percent) leads Republican Donald Trump (42 percent) in a Suffolk University/Boston Globe poll of New Hampshire voters. The 2-point margin represents a toss-up, as the results are within the poll’s statistical margin of error.

https://www.suffolk.edu/news/67699.php

Major Nikon

(36,818 posts)
91. You do realize you are the person listing sources that are saying the same thing, yes?
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:22 PM
Oct 2016

Actually your source lists even more tossups than NBC (126 electoral votes vs 80), including NH which isn't surprising since RCP has a decidedly right bend.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
34. All those "toss-ups" are already blue! That's an old view of this election.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 01:56 PM
Oct 2016

Do you realize how many Trump crimes have come out since that picture was true?

We need a list of Trump's known crimes.

dreamer67

(12 posts)
33. 2 thoughts
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 01:56 PM
Oct 2016

1) Trump has been raising money on line using other peoples lists and using donor banks. This is very expensive, remember Ben Carson, his fund-raising was costing him upwards of 50% of each dollar raised. So even thought he has raised a lot of money the actual net to spend is not very high.

2) Large Rallies cost a lot of money and non of it is recouped.

3) I am not sure Donald has really canceled any personal debt the campaign has to him personally.

Given the above he is smart enough to know that he is loosing and would rather hoard cash to repay himself.

The only benefit it the con is on the deplorables that are giving him the small donations.

What a shame.

lark

(23,059 posts)
47. Wow
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 02:49 PM
Oct 2016

They really valued my home city, 2nd highest amount. Weird that that they were spending so much in West Palm Beach which is reliably blue, but then he's just pure stupid. He probably thinks FL is in the bag because Voldemort told him so.

lark

(23,059 posts)
46. Hip, hip, hurray!
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 02:45 PM
Oct 2016

Hopefully that includes No. Fl. so I don't have to see those lying creepy ads again.

4lbs

(6,825 posts)
50. Wow. Trump is canceling ads in swing states, but continuing them in states where it is +15 or more
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 02:53 PM
Oct 2016

and pretty much guaranteed one way or the other.

Smart!

Genius!

Why can't the GOP run every campaign like this!


 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
51. Cutting his losses
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 02:54 PM
Oct 2016

Trump knows its over and wants to pocket all the campaign cash he can get his stubby little fingers on.

Johnny2X2X

(18,968 posts)
55. He is keeping it
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 02:58 PM
Oct 2016

Just as sure as the sky is blue Trump will keep that money. And not just by paying outrageous prices for services to his companies. He's going to try to pocket $tens of millions, I guarantee it. You can see the greed in his eyes, he's like the gold miner in bugs bunny, "mine, all mine, it's mine l, all mine!" He will falsify spending records, filter the money through a dozen paths on paper and in the end he will keep most of it. And just as sure as that, he will brag about making money running for President.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
59. What he can't personally pocket he'll use to payoff pols
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 03:14 PM
Oct 2016

He always bragged how he used donations to insure he got what he wanted. Campaigns can use left over funds to contribute to other campaigns. Bet he uses remaining funds for politicians in locations he needs favorable zoning/tax rulings.

Johnny2X2X

(18,968 posts)
64. Probably some of it
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 03:25 PM
Oct 2016

But I tell you, that guy is keeping a lot midnight money. It will be illegal, but he will keep it for himself. This is a guy who settled lawsuits against him with donations intended for charity, he's not going to let go of that money.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
67. Who's going to help him? John Kasich?
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 03:42 PM
Oct 2016

They are going to throw all their money at Pennsylvania and hope some of the rest come through.

It's the last ditch strategy of a failing campaign.

yardwork

(61,536 posts)
58. I'll bet he hasn't paid the contractors and they stopped producing ads.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 03:09 PM
Oct 2016

The ads aren't there because nobody wants to contract with Trump anymore. He stiffs everybody.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
65. we'd better plan on sending him flowers
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 03:28 PM
Oct 2016

Next month after he's completely destroyed the Republican Party

bucolic_frolic

(43,034 posts)
66. Expect Blitzkrieg for debates
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 03:29 PM
Oct 2016

followed by all this money reinvested for a media blitz in late October

Gambling and desperation for sure

remaineruk

(156 posts)
68. Protecting his brand. He will do anything to do that
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 03:43 PM
Oct 2016

He and his family will now concentrate on damage limitation as not just his brand but their fortune is at risk. More digging and allegations will drive their business to the ground.

Slipping away and losing will be better than fighting it out. But it may be too late for that. If he doesn't drop the rigging accusations their brand will be finished and bankrupt post election. And this will be a proper brankrupcy with no daddy to bail out. Sad.

remaineruk

(156 posts)
74. Yes but he doesn't think that way....he will just be thinking
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 04:10 PM
Oct 2016

About how to protect his paper (not real) bank balance. Must be bricking it

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
72. He is going to need money for
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 04:04 PM
Oct 2016

LAWYERS FEES. He has several suits and indictments that will need quite a bit of legal services. I'm sure his kids will need some money too, for their legal fees. If the arrogant, greedy fuck never ran for president, none of his corruption would have been exposed. He cut his own throat.

TonyPDX

(962 posts)
73. The writing's on the wall, right Don?
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 04:07 PM
Oct 2016

This is priceless. He knows that advertising won't translate into dollars, I mean votes, so cutting losses makes more sense.

Standby by for cries of "rigged election" in 3, 2, 1 . . .

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
77. I've been seeing a lot of his ads here in NC.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 04:36 PM
Oct 2016

Just recently.

Even saw a billboard for Trump/Pence in Union County today.

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
89. Did he hear something was about to explode with the Access Hollywood audio?
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 06:41 PM
Oct 2016

Saving his (other people's) pennies.

lindysalsagal

(20,576 posts)
92. Yup. The tape is released, and his campaign is over.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 11:15 PM
Oct 2016

It remains to be seen if the RNC will insist he drop out. This may be his out. He may have had enough.

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