Don't be facetious. Please offer sincere advice.

[boston bean]

How do you deal with a person who hates trump and won't vote for him. And in the next breath says Hillary is just as bad.

Makes me nuts. I have run into this a lot and basically use tactics that arent very nice. Like shaming them in so many words, or basically calling them dumb with not outright saying it.

What do you do?

[pnwmom]

1. I don't know. The same situation flummoxes me.

If I had time, I'd try to get the person to talk about what he most cared about, and why that person had a problem with Hillary.

And then speak to that.

[Drunken Irishman]

2. There isn't much you can do.

If they're that steadfast in their beliefs, there's no chance to change their mind.

I see 'em a lot and there's nothing I've said, or done, that could change their minds. I just generally hope they're Republicans who've voted Republican and were never seriously considering voting Democrat.

I will say this, there was a coworker who said she could not support Hillary and would rather have Trump as president but changed her mind after the first debate. So, it's possible but it was nothing I really did (tho, she did say to me the next day after that debate that throughout all she could do was think, "Drunken Irishman was right!&quot . So, just keep throwing out facts and hopefully they see the light.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Ask them in exactly what respects is Hillary just as bad.

Has she ever sexually assaulted anybody and then bragged about it?
Does she make fun of handicapped people?
Does she claim Mexicans are rapists?
Has she cheated small business that did work for her?
Has she been sued 4,000 times?
etc., etc.

List all the revolting things Trump has done and said and then ask her what specific things Hillary has done or said and why she thinks those things are just as bad.

[Jim Lane]

40. I respectfully disagree.

This amounts to saying to the person: "Please present to me the anti-Hillary arguments." The practical effect will be to strengthen the person's belief in those arguments. It would be much better to start by asking why the person hates Trump, and ask follow-up questions seeking elaboration.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

42. OK, good point.

[regnaD kciN]

4. Encourage them not to vote, if they're conservative…

If they're coming from the left, tell them to "vote their conscience" on the presidential level, but make sure to vote a straight Democratic ticket otherwise. Even if they're absolutely dead set against HRC, we still need them to give us control of Congress…not to mention the state houses that will be drawing the next round of congressional boundaries.

[Binkie The Clown]

5. Do nothing. They won't vote for Trump, and that is good enough. n/t

[Cakes488]

21. I agree...I would just encourage them to stay home.

[demigoddess]

6. you could send him this.

http://www.scarymommy.com/hillary-clinton-myths-debunked/

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

38. Most RWers will reject this info, as they are devoted to the RW media which

sold them the lies in the first place. But, it's good info and worth a try!

[athena]

44. The OP doesn't specify that these are RWers.

They might be Bernie supporters, or people who just don't follow politics very closely.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

46. Good point.

I think the RW media seeps into those who aren't specifically RW devotees, but at least those sorts are more open to an alternative message.

I just heard that one of my nieces, whose RW aunt emails her and facebooks her a steady diet of RW talking points, was going to vote for Trump, though she told my mom she didn't' know why she was voting for him. Real deep thinker there.

Now she says she's not voting at all. Better than her voting for Trump. It's hard to counteract the RW stuff as her personality predisposes her to wanting to believe the outrageous sorts of lies and drama that come with the RW propaganda.

[athena]

45. That is a great article!

Lots of good information, all in one place.

[Siwsan]

7. If it is someone who will actually listen, pull out Hillaries CV. It's pretty impressive

All of the work she has done for women and children, over the years, is amazing. That is an especially relevant contrast to Trump.

Her work for first responders, and push to get the truth about air quality after the WTC attack.

And I know some people live in their own reality concerning what was accomplished while she was Secretary of State, but the facts are nothing to sneeze at.

[smorkingapple]

8. Easy, even if you hate both of them personally, Hillary is miles ahead in preparedness

and this job is not a joke to be handed to someone who hasn't a clue how government nor foreign relations works

[TheCowsCameHome]

9. Take it to mean one less vote for Trump.

Hopefully enough Hillary supporters will turn out election day to get the job done.

[Hekate]

10. Absolutely serious here: Sympathize and urge them to protest by staying home.

I hope you see the advantages to Democratic candidates in this advice.

[DURHAM D]

11. I always ask, in a very polite manner,

what they don't like about Hillary. Usually they say something like "Because she lies". Then I ask them in a very calm voice what specific lie they are most bothered by. At this point they usually get flustered so I ask them? Is it the emails? They nod. I then tell them that she received and sent zero Classified Emails and talk about that for a bit.

The next thing they usually go to is "What difference does it make" So I ask them what the rest of the sentence was. They never know.

Last week after a conversation similar to the above a man said to me "I am entitled to my own opinion". I said, yes you are but do you know the rest of the quote. He had never heard the second part. He actually laughed.

[LisaL]

12. What can you do?

You can't change some people's mind no matter what.

[SpareribSP]

13. Just want to say

That shaming people and calling them dumb can backfire horribly, even if (sometimes especially if) you're saying it underhandedly. I think tactics like these are one of the reasons in the first place that people get to be stubbornly anti-Hillary in the first place, and so bringing it up again can just reinforce their belief that they're not wanted.

It goes back to the whole "Hillary doesn't need Bernie voters" thing that went on before. The people who were very big fans of Bernie then went "Well, okay!" and left, and shaming them isn't going to bring them towards Hillary now. Neither should someone be groveling - rather, I think some simple respect and candor can go a long way.

[Kaleva]

14. Some people you can't change. Be happy they are not voting for Trump.

[Thinkingabout]

15. I was told some weeks ago that if I would listen to Trump I would know his plan,

I listened, still no plan. I also tell them if Trump was the DNC nominee I would not be voting for the DNC nominee. They never vote for Hillary but I wished they would truly look at Trump and maybe not vote.

[boston bean]

16. Wow! You guys really helped. I can try all of this. Tyvm!

[Dem2]

17. I tell them they are suckers who fell for the propaganda

... from the Republican party with a major assist from the media.

[Charlotte Little]

18. Just had a conversation today with a WOMAN...

...who is still on the fence. Yes, you read that correctly, a WOMAN.

Here is the thing, she is a die-hard Republican and this election is killing her. She's a lovely woman who isn't racist or rich or any other (fill in the blank) that you'd normally equate with a Republican. She just grew up in a GOP loving household. Now, she's utterly conflicted. She's scared of "liberals." She is afraid that all rules of decent society will end if conservatism is wiped out entirely.

While I don't agree with her views, I know her heart is a good one. So, today, when we got into a VERY heated exchange, I didn't back down and kept appealing to her from a "decency" standpoint. She seemed almost on the edge of tears and admitted that she may not even vote. I just hugged her and promised her that not voting for Trump didn't mean she was turning her back on her own convictions.

We can't be angry with moderate Republicans, especially old school ones (my friend is in her 50's). We have to make peace with them and understand that, for them, this election is beyond gut-wrenching. So, remember that when trying to change a voter's mind. Be kind, willing to listen yet not willing to back down, empathetic and caring.

Let's face it - Trump could have chosen to run as a Democrat. Now think about that. No...really, think about that.

[muriel_volestrangler]

19. Ask them their reasons why they think Hillary is bad

because, if they actually have to explain them, they may realise there aren't concrete reasons, and it's just a vague idea of "untrustworthiness" that opponents have manufactured.

I don't think this would get people to like her, but they might start seeing her as 'just a politician'. Which is not as bad as Trump.

[MoonRiver]

20. I avoid people like that.

If there is no way I can avoid them, I never discuss politics with them. If pushed into the corner, though, I give them a piece of my mind. That usually solves the problem, because they will never discuss the issue with me again.

[oberliner]

22. What issues do they care about?

Maybe start there.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

23. Ask them why they believe she is just as bad...

Go ahead and make a comprehensive list of the reasons people give why they don't like her. Most reasons people give are not even valid due to inaccurate smears that have been leveled against her for decades.

If they say Benghazi then educate them on the fact that she recommended more funding for security at embassies and Obama put it in the budget but the Republican Congress slashed that budgeted amount so there was not adequate security in a lot of places.

Just be prepared to sincerely and without frustration explain away all the bogus reasons people list as to why they dislike her.

Perhaps then remind them that no candidate is going to match up with their views 100% and give them a bunch of links and info to check out further. If a person is open to discussion like this then they may come around.

Oh, and fact check sites are good too.

[sofa king]

24. An interesting problem.

Normally, my stock advice is, "a vote for a third party, or a non-vote, is an automatic vote for the winner." But in this case, I've been sure all year that Hillary Clinton will be the winner. The problem now is that many yahoos are going to go straight back to the Republican well down-ballot, and Congress will prove at least as annoying for Mrs. Clinton as it has for President Obama.

One play may be to suggest that Trump is merely the end-product of the Republican Party's migration to the racist right wing, and the only way to keep him out of it forever is to bounce all Republicans until they change their ways.

Another might be to point out the simple, obvious difference between the parties, which is that only one actually tries to help the American people, while the other enriches their benefactors. Who voted to kill Americans faster by denying them health care, forty-some times in the past eight years? And who causes a recession every single time they cut taxes for rich people?

But probably the best way to approach it is by simply saying something like, "if you really can't tell the difference between Trump and Clinton, or Democrats and Republicans, then you're not really qualified to vote at all, are you?" Or, "it's an obvious choice to me, but then again I actually read the news." That, at least, is a challenge to the person to become better informed.

[Madam45for2923]

25. If they like you as a person: I'd say am sorry you think that, my view of Hillary is very different

If they like you- then your opinion is respected and therefore it's possible to discuss further but don't push it.

I would then say I experienced the Clintons' story since he was President. So I saw how the media treated them since then. I know that what the media tried to portray of the Clintons and my experience of them did not jive at all.

Where I admired Hillary - the media tried to crush her. At the time there was no internet like now, so all of us experiencing and thinking this were not able to communicate with each other, so it just continued.

If they give some opinions about not trusting her, I'd say: I see- but I trust her more than you. And there is much I like in her and want in a President.

I think this is just a start. All of the above takes less than 5 minutes. But it plants the idea that not everyone around them dislikes Hillary Clinton.

[djsunyc]

26. may not be popular

but tell them not to vote. can't risk this person making a gametime decision in the actual booth and picking trump.

[liberal N proud]

27. How can anyone say that?

After the shit Trump has said and done?

[boston bean]

28. Woman family member posted these thoughts on fb this evening.

[GulfCoast66]

29. If you are Southern

Look at them, smile politely and say 'Well Bless your Heart'.

[flying-skeleton]

30. Quickly ...de-friend him/her !!

[MFM008]

31. My sister

Is just like this.
I tell her then she believes in decades of Republican lies.
Insulting her intelligence usually is helpful . Your not stupid enough to believe what your told by republicans are U?
See she's a one issue voter. Pot. Period.

[nolabels]

34. Some people will never admit they are incorrect no matter how bad it looks

If you spend anytime trying correct them, then the best thing that can happen is for them bringing you down to their level where you might understand where they are coming from. Other than that i don't see any help for the situation

[lame54]

32. Ask them...

If Bill's behavior towards women should have made him ineligible to be president

When they inevitably say yes

Then ask Them if the same appliies to Trump

Then ask them if it was right for Melania to have forgiven Trump

When they inevitably say yes

Then ask them if the same applies to Hillary

When they hit you with the bullshit that Trump just said words while Bill did actions

Point out that Trump was admitting to actions

[Orrex]

33. On Facebook earlier today...

I had an exchange who stated that he won't be voting because "as my pappy used to say, the lesser of two evils is still evil."

He intended as a "trump" card because who would call out his dead father?

Well, I would, and I did. I told him outright that his pappy held a simplistic view, and that it's impossible to fail to distinguish between the two candidates unless one makes a deliberate choice to ignore the very real differences.

Predictably, he asked me how dare I call his dad a simpleton, to which I replied "I'm sure that he was very smart, but in this matter his view was simplistic."

Long story short, anyone who claims at this point that the two candidates are "just as bad" is a Trump voter who lacks the integrity to admit it.

[Cracklin Charlie]

35. Shaming and name calling will never work.

If it's someone you care about, you can turn them; but, patience is the key.

I used some tactics on my husband, and he has made a beautiful 180 degree turnaround. I am so so proud of him. Here's what I did:

1. Never, ever tell them they're stupid. They're not stupid, just mis-informed. In my husbands case, he was just kind of too busy to keep up.

2. So, let's get informed. I would ask my husband questions, that I may know the answer to. Sometimes, he would come back to me with the answers, then we would have that, and even more things to discuss. Then, he would start calling my attention to different articles he had read. Sometimes, I even pretended that I hadn't already seen the article, even though I had. He really would look so proud of himself, when he found the information he was looking for. Let them think they are educating you.

3. Patience cannot be stressed enough.

4. Encourage them to vote for the candidate of their choice, whether you support that candidate or not. Voting should always be encouraged, even for just local matters. Offer to drive them.

I found it best in hubs' case to start with areas that I knew would be of interest to him. I remember an early discussion about how he said athletes had no business making political statements. After a couple hours of discussion, he came to realize that sports and politics have probably always been closely linked, at least a long way back through history. I think it's true that facts do have a liberal bias. I also think there are people in that basket of deplorables who want the facts, but they just don't know where to get them.

Sorry to write such a book, I just want you not to give up on your loved ones. Trump will never be president, so none of his phony bull crap even matters.

[Maru Kitteh]

36. Depends really.

Do I know how the person would vote downticket? What are my state laws about leaving a blank at the top of the ticket?

Is it worth my time to explain Hillary's well-thought-out, forward-thinking positions and proven, lifetime track record of progressivism and human rights to this person?

[LaydeeBug]

37. Tell them they are equivocating. The thing about these "I'm in the middle" folks

is that they want to inflict the spite, but don't want to catch the blame. The closest thing you will *ever* get to a rightie's apology is "both sides do it". Politely point out that, "No, the fucking don't"

These people want to be TOLD. They don't want us to ask them questions and litigate issues for them. It's too complex, and they likely have a beer or a football game or a NASCAR race to get to. They don't want to be interrogated either. They want you to TELL them.

Let them know that Bill Clinton isn't running for office, so anything HE did last century is moot. Of course, if we're bringing spouses into this, which one of Donald's THREE are fair game? Please.

People claiming the moral high ground ought not do it while they're standing on a heap of bullshit. Call it out. It needs to be.

[Poiuyt]

39. I start out by telling them I used to be conflicted too

(I wasn't really, but it makes them think that I'm not just blindly voting for Clinton).

If they are concerned about Hillary's honesty and trustworthiness, point out that Politifact found her to be the most honest of all the candidates in this election. That surprised me when I heard that, and made me feel better about voting for her. Not that I was that concerned.

If they are thinking of not voting, or voting for a 3rd party candidate, point out that the next president will be Trump or Clinton—it won't be Johnson, it won't be Sanders, it will be Trump or Clinton. It's not as if they don't like any of the entertainment options in town and decide to stay home. One of them will be president, whether they like them or not, and who it is will affect their life.

If they are thinking of a protest vote, remind them that the election is not about them, it is about America. Voting for Johnson or Stein might make them feel better, but it will not help America. Voting should not be about the voter's pride or ego.

If they still can't decide, tell them to vote for the party whose platform most closely follows their beliefs.

[Ken Burch]

41. Are you in a battleground state?

If not, it may not be worth TRYING to deal with that person.

[athena]

43. How about something like this?

"I used to think so, too, but then I did some research into it, read some articles, and found that almost none of the bad things being said about Hillary are in fact true." Then, I would suggest that they read, for example, these articles:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/28/hillary-clinton-honest-transparency-jill-abramson

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2016/02/why_one_feminist_woman_is_voting_for_hillary_clinton_over_bernie_sanders.html

https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/hillary-clinton-wants-to-talk-to-you-about-love-and-kindness

It may not be true in your case; it is in mine. I didn't think Hillary was horrible, but all the negative press had given me the vague impression that there was something not-so-good about her. When you actually do your own research, you realize the negativity is not at all deserved. If you were with Hillary from the very start and never had a negative impression of her, you could say, "I know many people who used to think so, too, but then they did their own research, and ..." etc.

[MineralMan]

47. As long as they don't vote for Trump, I couldn't care less.

Let them do as they wish. Find someone who will vote for Hillary and help that person get to the polling place.

You can't reform idiots or assholes.