2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIn retrospect, Tim Kaine’s debate was a masterful lesson in campaign strategy
For most of the US vice presidential debate, the collective Twittersphere concluded that senator Tim Kaine had made a bad miscalculation. He was not just annoying and overaggressive in interrupting governor Mike Pence; he was plain rude. But, as the dust has settled, it is even more evident that Kaine, and the Hillary Clinton campaign as a whole, is simply operating at different strategic level than the rest of us.
How many people do you think saw the debate? Right now, estimates say approximately 36 million people, which, while significant, is a major drop off from the 51 million that watched in 2012, and the lowest since 2000. The vast majority of voters did not watch the debate; their only exposure is the post-debate spin.
Lets be clear: Pence won the debate. While vapid and wholly without any policy details, he was calm and presidential to Kaines frenetic and unpolished demeanor. He simply looked the part. But his victory is pyrrhic, because Kaines strategy and execution will win the election.
Kaines goal was simple: get as many of Donald Trumps quotes on the record as possible, and force Pence to either defend them, or abandon them. Either situation here was a win/win. ..........
GOP candidates are stuck. Can't win by supporting Trump, can't win by renouncing him.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/politico-morning-consult-poll-229394
JCMach1
(27,556 posts)I said as much after the debate... why he 'actually' won is now apparent ...
underpants
(182,769 posts)Aside from the headlines being filled with the fact checking that backed Tim up there was the set for tonight.
Hillary : your own running mate can't/won't defend you
Hillary : you need to apologize --- this was last week. It appears now all sides of the Repub party (including Teabaggers) are demanding a full unqualified apology from Trump tonight or all support gets pulled and they run away as far as the get in a month.
JCMach1
(27,556 posts)but it's also the only chance he has...
Quite small, but he would have to depress the turnout so much that the deplorables win...
I hope Clinton has prepared a walk-out strategy. She may have to deploy it.
underpants
(182,769 posts)Aaprently Breitbart has a Broaderrick video on their main page
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)just before the concluding remarks. It was like the bell ringing the end of the last round as Pence was about to collapse to the mat. Pence had just stated Trump sometimes says things he doesn't mean and lacked polish, plus the "Mexican Thing" gaffe. I don't get how some people say Pence won the debate. They have a very different scoring method I suppose, based on things like sitting up straight instead of substance and intellect.
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Cosmocat
(14,563 posts)IF it were the Rs doing it to a D, the Rs would be crowing and the media gushing about how they were getting into his head the way they have.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Some of it was payback for interrupting Hillary, I suspect. Trump fell for it and tweeted about the interruptions. Some of it was to rattle Pence, and it really did even if he tried not to allow it to show. But mostly, it was to not allow lies to slip past. You cannot wait to call out a lie, you have to interject "lie" right then and there, or the lie becomes a soundbite in an ad. Kaine effectively removed a ton of ad material from possible usage with his interjections to counter false talking points.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)On how that works.
qdouble
(891 posts)Lose the style battle, win the issue war.