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retrowire

(10,345 posts)
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 11:29 AM Oct 2016

Sign here if youre a male that has never said those things.

I'm 28. Got married at 23 because I've always wanted to be married. Went to Home Ec class in middle school to learn kitchen skills because I wanted to be a good husband.

Granted I'm not like many men, but I've been through college. I've been apart of conversations with other male peers.

But I've never spoken like that or seen women that way. And neither did the guys I hung out with.

If you can consider yourself in that troupe of men. Sign here.

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Sign here if youre a male that has never said those things. (Original Post) retrowire Oct 2016 OP
I'll sign for my husband who would never say anything like that. leftofcool Oct 2016 #1
I'll chime in for my cousin who did talk exactly like that- and most of his friends just laughed.... bettyellen Oct 2016 #48
Never said it, never heard it said either. People I know would call it out then and there. Coyotl Oct 2016 #2
Boys say bad things JCMach1 Oct 2016 #3
I am forced to admit that I said that yesterday ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2016 #4
Context means everything! Pacifist Patriot Oct 2016 #57
I don't recall ever saying anything like that Cary Oct 2016 #5
I regret having to say that I never claimed to be perfect Cary Oct 2016 #9
My husband told me yesterday DUgosh Oct 2016 #6
Never have. Never would. Peigan68 Oct 2016 #7
I'll sign. tgards79 Oct 2016 #8
Not even in my distant horny youth. bluedigger Oct 2016 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2016 #11
I mentioned the same thing to my wife. Kablooie Oct 2016 #13
I said some things when I was a teenager that I am not proud of now Arneoker Oct 2016 #14
Co-signed. That's just not civilized behavior, IMO. BobbyDrake Oct 2016 #15
At age 59, it seems that Trump never outgrew his adolescent stage. procon Oct 2016 #16
What's funny to me is who he was trying to impress TexasBushwhacker Oct 2016 #22
Never said anything remotely like that. MineralMan Oct 2016 #17
Nope not even close duncang Oct 2016 #18
Once, in my Air Force barracks, I heard one man talk like that. Binkie The Clown Oct 2016 #19
I've said depraved things. I've never been describing my own actions, however, in those terms. Zynx Oct 2016 #20
i never took Home Ec but also never talked like that. Jim Lane Oct 2016 #21
Never. Ever. DonViejo Oct 2016 #23
I've never in my life wanted to sexually assault a women. Rex Oct 2016 #24
Only deplorables say shit like that ThoughtCriminal Oct 2016 #25
Add me Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #26
I have never used these terms Gothmog Oct 2016 #27
The Truth Jayd4sho Oct 2016 #28
"Creatures of desire?" Really? MineralMan Oct 2016 #49
Never said and never heard in my 70 years on this planet, FuzzyRabbit Oct 2016 #29
Ive never said anything like this. Or tolerated anything being said like this. writes3000 Oct 2016 #31
Yup. Agschmid Oct 2016 #32
Raises hand. Adsos Letter Oct 2016 #33
This is why you should despise Trump: He keeps us from trusting you. nolabear Oct 2016 #34
This is an angle that can be true. retrowire Oct 2016 #36
You have no idea how good that is to hear. Men should say it more often. nolabear Oct 2016 #37
As someone with many female friends forjusticethunders Oct 2016 #43
Nope, but have been around variations of it--up to mid 20s. JohnnyLib2 Oct 2016 #35
Been in many locker rooms superpatriotman Oct 2016 #38
Hell no titaniumsalute Oct 2016 #39
This thread is exactly what I expected from DU ... and echoes the men in my life etherealtruth Oct 2016 #40
Signed. forjusticethunders Oct 2016 #42
Not in my repertoire Maine-i-acs Oct 2016 #44
I'm the same age as Trump was back then Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2016 #45
NEVER EVER thought of physically assualting a woman like that !!! uponit7771 Oct 2016 #46
Yes, I'm gay, but.... TimD82 Oct 2016 #47
Welcome to DU! retrowire Oct 2016 #50
Thanks for the welcome! TimD82 Oct 2016 #55
No way! lilsourgoose Oct 2016 #51
Never and none of my friends talk this way. Been in many a locker room too. emulatorloo Oct 2016 #52
Present. A-Schwarzenegger Oct 2016 #53
Never. CanonRay Oct 2016 #54
nope never did. And when I would hear such talk, I would walk away rurallib Oct 2016 #56
I do the same AmericanMan1958 Oct 2016 #60
I asked my husband about it and... Pacifist Patriot Oct 2016 #58
BIG thanks to all the men who responded NastyRiffraff Oct 2016 #59
In decades of locker rooms, I've never heard that crap. Nye Bevan Oct 2016 #61
Only a predator says things like that Yavin4 Oct 2016 #62
Never said, never did. JoePhilly Oct 2016 #63
Never did &and don't recall other men talking that way CajunBlazer Oct 2016 #64
Never. Alexander Oct 2016 #65
Signed denbot Oct 2016 #66
Nope, never........... socialist_n_TN Oct 2016 #67
I haven't even said anything close to what that perverted impact loompa said! Nt LostOne4Ever Oct 2016 #69
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
48. I'll chime in for my cousin who did talk exactly like that- and most of his friends just laughed....
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 03:45 PM
Oct 2016

I think he (future NYPD) peaked at describing a group sexual assault of a woman who passed out. They felt she deserved it because she was stupid enough to date their friend who was a real pig. And this happened at a family Thanksgiving dinner. My Mom didn't even understand what he was saying. I was the only one to use the word rape.

JCMach1

(27,556 posts)
3. Boys say bad things
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 11:32 AM
Oct 2016

But even in that context... This is the guy you look at and say wtf did you just say? It's not okay even in that vulgar adolescent context..

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
4. I am forced to admit that I said that yesterday
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 11:37 AM
Oct 2016

Actually, the conversation with my honey went like this:

Me: Honey, you won't believe what Cheeto Hair was recorded saying.

She: Read it to me please, my hands are full with bread dough.

Me: Ok, (insert trump's quote here).

She: oh my god, is he a pig!

So, I did use those words, sad to say, and if forced to testify under oath, I would have to admit it.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
5. I don't recall ever saying anything like that
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 11:37 AM
Oct 2016

I certainly don't think of people that way.

I have evolved over the years. I would not say that I was ever perfect.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
9. I regret having to say that I never claimed to be perfect
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 11:41 AM
Oct 2016

Because tRump said that. I don't say it as an excuse. I strive for.humility.

DUgosh

(3,055 posts)
6. My husband told me yesterday
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 11:38 AM
Oct 2016

He never has. He is a retired Union plumber, and he was a sailor during Vietnam.

tgards79

(1,415 posts)
8. I'll sign.
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 11:41 AM
Oct 2016

50+ male here. Jock in high school and college, varsity sports, sports nut to this day. I'll sign.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
10. Not even in my distant horny youth.
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 11:43 AM
Oct 2016

I can't begin to imagine the thought process that allowed a then 59-year old man to verbalize such brutality in public.

Response to retrowire (Original post)

Kablooie

(18,625 posts)
13. I mentioned the same thing to my wife.
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 12:03 PM
Oct 2016

And I was telling the truth.
My friends and I have never ogled women and objectived them.
Someone might point out a particularly beautiful woman now and then but that's as far as it went.

We did try going to a strip club once to see what it was like but none of us enjoyed it much and we never returned.

Arneoker

(375 posts)
14. I said some things when I was a teenager that I am not proud of now
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 12:05 PM
Oct 2016

But nothing like what little Donnie said when he was 59.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
15. Co-signed. That's just not civilized behavior, IMO.
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 12:08 PM
Oct 2016

What's bothering me the most is that the media is making it possible for Trump to use the excuse of "I was younger then." He was 59 at the time! And he's the nominee for the party that proclaims itself all about personal responsibility too. WTH?

procon

(15,805 posts)
16. At age 59, it seems that Trump never outgrew his adolescent stage.
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 12:22 PM
Oct 2016

Something inside that man is broken, and he's never matured or developed a healthy view of women, sexuality or normal relationships.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,172 posts)
22. What's funny to me is who he was trying to impress
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 01:33 PM
Oct 2016

Guys say these things to look macho and impress other guys, right? But Trump was 59 and trying to impress 33 year old Billy Bush! Pathetic!

duncang

(1,907 posts)
18. Nope not even close
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 12:39 PM
Oct 2016

Been married 40 years also never tried to or cheated on my wife. Also one of the group who already posted here haven't heard someone say something that sickening. I have heard some pretty harsh stuff. But that and the stuff he said about his daughter really tops any thing I've heard.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
19. Once, in my Air Force barracks, I heard one man talk like that.
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 01:06 PM
Oct 2016

Everyone else looked uncomfortable and kept their distance from him.

Men who talk like that think that everyone else talks like that too, but we don't. We don't talk like that, and we don't approve of "men" that do.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
20. I've said depraved things. I've never been describing my own actions, however, in those terms.
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 01:08 PM
Oct 2016

I've certainly told dirty jokes, but never have I done the things he did and as a consequence I've never described such things.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
21. i never took Home Ec but also never talked like that.
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 01:26 PM
Oct 2016

I will admit, with Jimmy Carter, that I have lusted in my heart. I've thought plenty of things that I wouldn't say. But a little hypocrisy of that sort is what helps a society function.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
25. Only deplorables say shit like that
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 02:02 PM
Oct 2016

I can't put myself inside the head of anyone who would want to be like that.

Jayd4sho

(45 posts)
28. The Truth
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 02:14 PM
Oct 2016

Unless one is super religious or sheltered, most guys have talked about women (they like) sexually, which is normal. They talk about who they want to get with and yes her looks. That is locker room banter. HOWEVER, most guys do not talk about controlling women against their will, or groping them, or grabbing them by their genitals using power/money as influence. Those guys do exist and they are usually predators, sex offenders, molesters, and abusers. That is the difference between men and disgusting/perverse men.

Most hetereosexual men see women as creatures of desire.

Men like Trump see them as objects that they should "conquer" and brag about with other like minded men.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
49. "Creatures of desire?" Really?
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 03:51 PM
Oct 2016

I see women as people like everyone else. I'm attracted to some and not to others. My attraction, however, means nothing, unless it is returned voluntarily.

Women are people. They're not "creatures." Desire or lack of desire on some man's part is irrelevant, completely.

Dogs and cats and lizards are "creatures." Women are people, just the same as all other people.

FuzzyRabbit

(1,967 posts)
29. Never said and never heard in my 70 years on this planet,
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 02:16 PM
Oct 2016

even when working as a merchant marine sailor and doing construction work, even back in the pre-politically correct 1960s.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
34. This is why you should despise Trump: He keeps us from trusting you.
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 02:24 PM
Oct 2016

It's a pity. You have been wronged as much as we have by this; maybe more in a way, because women are deeply afraid of this being the secret that men keep. I'm so sorry for all of you good men. You have been harmed by this whether we say it or not.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
36. This is an angle that can be true.
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 02:28 PM
Oct 2016

My wife fears men in general because of what a handful in life have done to her. She even fears me at times.

All I can do is be a better example, and lead other men in being better!

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
37. You have no idea how good that is to hear. Men should say it more often.
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 02:30 PM
Oct 2016

A whole lot of positive to counteract the negative would work wonders, I think.

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
43. As someone with many female friends
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 03:07 PM
Oct 2016

The fear is *pervasive*, just as pervasive as the acts that create it.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
39. Hell no
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 02:35 PM
Oct 2016

Im 41 and married. I've never cheated on my wife (either of them lol). I could have many times as a traveling business person who would strike up conversations with women at hotel bars over the years. Was even invited back to rooms a few times. It was tempting...but I was always able to see past the quickie to the dark world of cheating. So I didn't do it.

But to flat out grope a female or to even joke about it...no way. Matter of fact, in hindsight, there were times when I was single I know a woman was coming onto me strong. I never wanted to be "that guy" who tried to just bed someone so I bles off some potential one nighters. I'm not some overly romantic of chivalrous guy but I think woman should be treated with respect.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
40. This thread is exactly what I expected from DU ... and echoes the men in my life
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 02:39 PM
Oct 2016

(I am a woman)

What I am hearing is men "talk sh*t" (sexually explicit sh*t) in locker rooms (and other similar places) ... BUT ... they have never expressed thoughts or confessions of assaulting women and are horrified by anyone that would do this. I am hearing (and expected to see): this isn't something normal men do or say .... and it is not acceptable when someone does ... EVER

Maine-i-acs

(1,499 posts)
44. Not in my repertoire
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 03:16 PM
Oct 2016

And I have worked in positions of power over many women.
Have worked with and hung out with guys that are pigs, but none to the extent of the CheetoFuhrer.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,903 posts)
45. I'm the same age as Trump was back then
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 03:35 PM
Oct 2016

Can't imagine anyone my age bragging about sexual assault. The fact that he has a daughter makes his comments even more baffling.

TimD82

(7 posts)
47. Yes, I'm gay, but....
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 03:43 PM
Oct 2016

I would never say anything like this about a female or male. None of my straight male friends or family talk like this about sexual assault. I have heard guys use the those words plenty of times, but never in the context of assault. This is not about crude talk.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
50. Welcome to DU!
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 04:09 PM
Oct 2016

What brings ya here stranger?

And totally agree, that talk is the talk of predators. Not men. Not REAL MEN.

TimD82

(7 posts)
55. Thanks for the welcome!
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 04:42 PM
Oct 2016

I just updated my profile if you want to learn a little bit more about me. The posts on DU have been my life-blood for news this year from the primaries on. I was an early Bernie supporter but ended up voting for Hillary in the June California primary. I am a proud Progressive-Democrat and look forward to be a contributing member to this forum now and beyond the election.

lilsourgoose

(92 posts)
51. No way!
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 04:14 PM
Oct 2016

Not only have I never said anything like that, I've toured with wealthy/popular musicians and entertainers, and have never heard anything even remotely like that.

It wasn't the language that should be the issue, it's that he is boasting of sexual assault and how his fame (which was ONLY the result of his wealth) allows him to get away with it. Unbelievable.

Take notes on whoever defends it as "normal" conversation; it is not, and they are outing themselves as total dirtbags to be shunned.

emulatorloo

(44,113 posts)
52. Never and none of my friends talk this way. Been in many a locker room too.
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 04:16 PM
Oct 2016

Trumps talk is that of a sexual predator. People I know don't talk like that, they do not talk about wanting to sexually assault women.

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
56. nope never did. And when I would hear such talk, I would walk away
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 05:52 PM
Oct 2016

this was in high school in the 60s. Not even that much then - usually some jerk.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
58. I asked my husband about it and...
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 05:59 PM
Oct 2016

he said he's never said anything remotely close to that and never heard it in any locker room he's been in. Talking about girls and which ones you'd want to go out with, sure. Expressing the opinion it was okay to grope and assault, never!

My sixteen year old son approached us two years ago very upset by what he was hearing from some of the boys on his soccer team. I brought it to the coach's attention who promptly lit into the boys involved and he nipped that in the bud immediately. Wish I had recorded the dressing down he gave them. Two ended up being kicked off of the team simply because of how they talked about girls. Love, love, love that coach. The two boys were good solid players. He chose integrity over talent. That's being a good man!

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
59. BIG thanks to all the men who responded
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 06:08 PM
Oct 2016

It's reassuring to read your posts here, after the filth spewed by Trump, and the excuses from some of his supporters and surrogates.

I am a woman, and I appreciate all of you!

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
61. In decades of locker rooms, I've never heard that crap.
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 06:10 PM
Oct 2016

Despite what the Trumpkins are desperately claiming.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
64. Never did &and don't recall other men talking that way
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 07:16 PM
Oct 2016

I don't even remember even other teen age boys talking that way when I was that young.

First of all - to talk that way a man would have to act that he was some how entitled - you don't talk that way to other men because they would shut you down in a heartbeat for being a vain bastard.

Second - you don't talk that way to other men because it implies you force yourself on women - no guy want to admit that he has to force himself on women.

denbot

(9,899 posts)
66. Signed
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 07:45 PM
Oct 2016

My mom and two sisters would have beat the piss out of me, had a story like that got back to them..

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
67. Nope, never...........
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 07:57 PM
Oct 2016

Never had any desire to force a woman into sex. If I wasn't wanted, I went on to where I was wanted.

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