2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSign here if youre a male that has never said those things.
I'm 28. Got married at 23 because I've always wanted to be married. Went to Home Ec class in middle school to learn kitchen skills because I wanted to be a good husband.
Granted I'm not like many men, but I've been through college. I've been apart of conversations with other male peers.
But I've never spoken like that or seen women that way. And neither did the guys I hung out with.
If you can consider yourself in that troupe of men. Sign here.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I think he (future NYPD) peaked at describing a group sexual assault of a woman who passed out. They felt she deserved it because she was stupid enough to date their friend who was a real pig. And this happened at a family Thanksgiving dinner. My Mom didn't even understand what he was saying. I was the only one to use the word rape.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)JCMach1
(27,556 posts)But even in that context... This is the guy you look at and say wtf did you just say? It's not okay even in that vulgar adolescent context..
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Actually, the conversation with my honey went like this:
Me: Honey, you won't believe what Cheeto Hair was recorded saying.
She: Read it to me please, my hands are full with bread dough.
Me: Ok, (insert trump's quote here).
She: oh my god, is he a pig!
So, I did use those words, sad to say, and if forced to testify under oath, I would have to admit it.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)You have a major pass here.
Cary
(11,746 posts)I certainly don't think of people that way.
I have evolved over the years. I would not say that I was ever perfect.
Cary
(11,746 posts)Because tRump said that. I don't say it as an excuse. I strive for.humility.
DUgosh
(3,055 posts)He never has. He is a retired Union plumber, and he was a sailor during Vietnam.
Peigan68
(137 posts)tgards79
(1,415 posts)50+ male here. Jock in high school and college, varsity sports, sports nut to this day. I'll sign.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)I can't begin to imagine the thought process that allowed a then 59-year old man to verbalize such brutality in public.
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Kablooie
(18,625 posts)And I was telling the truth.
My friends and I have never ogled women and objectived them.
Someone might point out a particularly beautiful woman now and then but that's as far as it went.
We did try going to a strip club once to see what it was like but none of us enjoyed it much and we never returned.
Arneoker
(375 posts)But nothing like what little Donnie said when he was 59.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)What's bothering me the most is that the media is making it possible for Trump to use the excuse of "I was younger then." He was 59 at the time! And he's the nominee for the party that proclaims itself all about personal responsibility too. WTH?
procon
(15,805 posts)Something inside that man is broken, and he's never matured or developed a healthy view of women, sexuality or normal relationships.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,172 posts)Guys say these things to look macho and impress other guys, right? But Trump was 59 and trying to impress 33 year old Billy Bush! Pathetic!
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Never heard it said, either, and I'm 71 years old.
duncang
(1,907 posts)Been married 40 years also never tried to or cheated on my wife. Also one of the group who already posted here haven't heard someone say something that sickening. I have heard some pretty harsh stuff. But that and the stuff he said about his daughter really tops any thing I've heard.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)Everyone else looked uncomfortable and kept their distance from him.
Men who talk like that think that everyone else talks like that too, but we don't. We don't talk like that, and we don't approve of "men" that do.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)I've certainly told dirty jokes, but never have I done the things he did and as a consequence I've never described such things.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)I will admit, with Jimmy Carter, that I have lusted in my heart. I've thought plenty of things that I wouldn't say. But a little hypocrisy of that sort is what helps a society function.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)The thought of it is appalling to me.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)I can't put myself inside the head of anyone who would want to be like that.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Gothmog
(145,126 posts)Jayd4sho
(45 posts)Unless one is super religious or sheltered, most guys have talked about women (they like) sexually, which is normal. They talk about who they want to get with and yes her looks. That is locker room banter. HOWEVER, most guys do not talk about controlling women against their will, or groping them, or grabbing them by their genitals using power/money as influence. Those guys do exist and they are usually predators, sex offenders, molesters, and abusers. That is the difference between men and disgusting/perverse men.
Most hetereosexual men see women as creatures of desire.
Men like Trump see them as objects that they should "conquer" and brag about with other like minded men.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)I see women as people like everyone else. I'm attracted to some and not to others. My attraction, however, means nothing, unless it is returned voluntarily.
Women are people. They're not "creatures." Desire or lack of desire on some man's part is irrelevant, completely.
Dogs and cats and lizards are "creatures." Women are people, just the same as all other people.
FuzzyRabbit
(1,967 posts)even when working as a merchant marine sailor and doing construction work, even back in the pre-politically correct 1960s.
writes3000
(4,734 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Even as a gay male I don't say that stuff about other guys either.
Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)I'm 61 years old and was no boyscout in life, but I never talked about women like that.
nolabear
(41,959 posts)It's a pity. You have been wronged as much as we have by this; maybe more in a way, because women are deeply afraid of this being the secret that men keep. I'm so sorry for all of you good men. You have been harmed by this whether we say it or not.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)My wife fears men in general because of what a handful in life have done to her. She even fears me at times.
All I can do is be a better example, and lead other men in being better!
nolabear
(41,959 posts)A whole lot of positive to counteract the negative would work wonders, I think.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)The fear is *pervasive*, just as pervasive as the acts that create it.
JohnnyLib2
(11,211 posts)superpatriotman
(6,247 posts)Never spoke or heard speech like that.
Excuses, remember, are like assholes...
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)Im 41 and married. I've never cheated on my wife (either of them lol). I could have many times as a traveling business person who would strike up conversations with women at hotel bars over the years. Was even invited back to rooms a few times. It was tempting...but I was always able to see past the quickie to the dark world of cheating. So I didn't do it.
But to flat out grope a female or to even joke about it...no way. Matter of fact, in hindsight, there were times when I was single I know a woman was coming onto me strong. I never wanted to be "that guy" who tried to just bed someone so I bles off some potential one nighters. I'm not some overly romantic of chivalrous guy but I think woman should be treated with respect.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)(I am a woman)
What I am hearing is men "talk sh*t" (sexually explicit sh*t) in locker rooms (and other similar places) ... BUT ... they have never expressed thoughts or confessions of assaulting women and are horrified by anyone that would do this. I am hearing (and expected to see): this isn't something normal men do or say .... and it is not acceptable when someone does ... EVER
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)Maine-i-acs
(1,499 posts)And I have worked in positions of power over many women.
Have worked with and hung out with guys that are pigs, but none to the extent of the CheetoFuhrer.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,903 posts)Can't imagine anyone my age bragging about sexual assault. The fact that he has a daughter makes his comments even more baffling.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)TimD82
(7 posts)I would never say anything like this about a female or male. None of my straight male friends or family talk like this about sexual assault. I have heard guys use the those words plenty of times, but never in the context of assault. This is not about crude talk.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)What brings ya here stranger?
And totally agree, that talk is the talk of predators. Not men. Not REAL MEN.
TimD82
(7 posts)I just updated my profile if you want to learn a little bit more about me. The posts on DU have been my life-blood for news this year from the primaries on. I was an early Bernie supporter but ended up voting for Hillary in the June California primary. I am a proud Progressive-Democrat and look forward to be a contributing member to this forum now and beyond the election.
lilsourgoose
(92 posts)Not only have I never said anything like that, I've toured with wealthy/popular musicians and entertainers, and have never heard anything even remotely like that.
It wasn't the language that should be the issue, it's that he is boasting of sexual assault and how his fame (which was ONLY the result of his wealth) allows him to get away with it. Unbelievable.
Take notes on whoever defends it as "normal" conversation; it is not, and they are outing themselves as total dirtbags to be shunned.
emulatorloo
(44,113 posts)Trumps talk is that of a sexual predator. People I know don't talk like that, they do not talk about wanting to sexually assault women.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)CanonRay
(14,100 posts)rurallib
(62,406 posts)this was in high school in the 60s. Not even that much then - usually some jerk.
AmericanMan1958
(520 posts)I just don't like to her it.
Make me feel ashamed!
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)he said he's never said anything remotely close to that and never heard it in any locker room he's been in. Talking about girls and which ones you'd want to go out with, sure. Expressing the opinion it was okay to grope and assault, never!
My sixteen year old son approached us two years ago very upset by what he was hearing from some of the boys on his soccer team. I brought it to the coach's attention who promptly lit into the boys involved and he nipped that in the bud immediately. Wish I had recorded the dressing down he gave them. Two ended up being kicked off of the team simply because of how they talked about girls. Love, love, love that coach. The two boys were good solid players. He chose integrity over talent. That's being a good man!
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)It's reassuring to read your posts here, after the filth spewed by Trump, and the excuses from some of his supporters and surrogates.
I am a woman, and I appreciate all of you!
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Despite what the Trumpkins are desperately claiming.
Yavin4
(35,433 posts)Normal men don't talk like that.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)I don't even remember even other teen age boys talking that way when I was that young.
First of all - to talk that way a man would have to act that he was some how entitled - you don't talk that way to other men because they would shut you down in a heartbeat for being a vain bastard.
Second - you don't talk that way to other men because it implies you force yourself on women - no guy want to admit that he has to force himself on women.
Alexander
(15,318 posts)denbot
(9,899 posts)My mom and two sisters would have beat the piss out of me, had a story like that got back to them..
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)Never had any desire to force a woman into sex. If I wasn't wanted, I went on to where I was wanted.