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Why does Julian Assange have a beef with Hillary (Original Post) CajunBlazer Oct 2016 OP
He says it's because he thinks she's a war monger TexasBushwhacker Oct 2016 #1
Why would a rapist hate Hillary? geek tragedy Oct 2016 #2
I get the feeling he is wanting someone to bail him out of his rape charge. I doubt Hillary would Thinkingabout Oct 2016 #3
Assange is a Putin puppet jcgoldie Oct 2016 #4
He is no beef but he is Putins dog MyNameIsKhan Oct 2016 #5
Because he's hooked up with Putin. Putin wants Trump. n/t pnwmom Oct 2016 #6
Why I don't get is why he hates her specifically so much. DanTex Oct 2016 #7
Did you read the details of the rape allegations? He's a pig. Pigs fear strong women.... bettyellen Oct 2016 #17
Didn't read the details, no. Read a little about it back when. DanTex Oct 2016 #22
I've pinned down a couple of former BOB friends and examined the hatred with them.... bettyellen Oct 2016 #44
I wonder if he realizes his credibility is pretty much shot? Blue Idaho Oct 2016 #8
Okay, I see posts that Assange is in bed with Putin - what indications do you have... CajunBlazer Oct 2016 #9
There's his anti-Hillary news conferences for one thing Nevernose Oct 2016 #11
I just wonder who he thinks made him god.... CajunBlazer Oct 2016 #15
Isn't Assange hiding in Russia? barbiegeek Oct 2016 #24
He's holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London. SaschaHM Oct 2016 #30
Oh thanks barbiegeek Oct 2016 #39
Edward Snowden is hiding in Russia Madam45for2923 Oct 2016 #41
He's on Putin's Payrole? Agnosticsherbet Oct 2016 #10
I have wondered this myself. He is awful towards her. I know very little about him. Upthevibe Oct 2016 #12
Actually he is wanted on rape and sexual assault charges by his homeland Sweden CajunBlazer Oct 2016 #16
His homeland is Australia. He was visiting Sweden. Nailzberg Oct 2016 #19
Thanks for the correction CajunBlazer Oct 2016 #20
Because Putin wants the choke artist Trump to win so Putin can easily snow applegrove Oct 2016 #13
It's not hard to influence American policy, if you know what you're doing rusty quoin Oct 2016 #14
Because he is trying to damage the US and is a tool for Putin Hekate Oct 2016 #18
Trump knows if he doesn't win... lame54 Oct 2016 #27
She is a woman. nt LexVegas Oct 2016 #21
Assange is essentially an anarchist. MineralMan Oct 2016 #23
He's "imprisoned" because Obama... lame54 Oct 2016 #25
Because he works for Putin workinclasszero Oct 2016 #26
Exactly! Lunabell Oct 2016 #31
Assange & Rupert Murdoch are both Australian. Why is Australia problem w/ USA barbiegeek Oct 2016 #28
We won't eat the Vegemite. Scurrilous Oct 2016 #36
For the exact same reasons as Trump, actually. randome Oct 2016 #29
Editorial: In the end, Hillary Clinton is the only qualified candidate, and the best choice brooklynite Oct 2016 #32
Unless he can explain why he is helping Trump, we should Doodley Oct 2016 #33
He should make better use of Wikileaks' resources ... demotux Oct 2016 #34
I think he may be an anarchist awake Oct 2016 #35
This^ frazzled Oct 2016 #40
He hates anything "West" just like people who love Maduro who can do no wrong snooper2 Oct 2016 #37
he is a putin and ron paul libertarian lul. stonecutter357 Oct 2016 #38
He thinks she wanted to drone him!? Madam45for2923 Oct 2016 #42
I have a problem with the entire Wikileaks concept CajunBlazer Oct 2016 #43

TexasBushwhacker

(20,174 posts)
1. He says it's because he thinks she's a war monger
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 11:42 PM
Oct 2016

But I think he might be afraid she will have him extradited to the US and prosecute him for publishing stolen government documents.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
3. I get the feeling he is wanting someone to bail him out of his rape charge. I doubt Hillary would
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 11:48 PM
Oct 2016

be the one to help him. Also he has worked with Snowden, I don't think Hillary would be sympathetic to dropping the charges of espionage against Snowden, she understands the impact the stealing of documents from the NSA truly means.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
4. Assange is a Putin puppet
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 11:49 PM
Oct 2016

Putin hates Hillary because she called the Russian elections dishonest and inspired protests in Moscow when she was SOS.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
7. Why I don't get is why he hates her specifically so much.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 11:53 PM
Oct 2016

I get that he hates the US, is basically an anarchist, and so he hates anyone associated with the US government because he considers them evil imperialists.

But that doesn't explain why he hates her so much more than the GOP or Trump specifically. Say what you will about Hillary, but she's not advocating that we invade countries to steal oil, like Trump does. And she's not the one who thinks we should torture people, even if it doesn't work. And so on.

It's possible that he wants Trump to win simply because he thinks it would hurt America and he hates the US so much that he doesn't care about the danger Trump poses to the rest of the world.

Or maybe he's just a Bernie or Buster: wanted Bernie and is mad at the woman who beat him.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
17. Did you read the details of the rape allegations? He's a pig. Pigs fear strong women....
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 01:09 AM
Oct 2016

They prefer women who will submit. That's how misogyny works.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
22. Didn't read the details, no. Read a little about it back when.
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 09:11 AM
Oct 2016

Yeah, the misogyny thing is a reason for sure. In fact, for a lot of the hatred she gets from the "left", there aren't many other explanations. In terms of where she is on policy, she's not far from Obama, and if anything she's to his left.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
44. I've pinned down a couple of former BOB friends and examined the hatred with them....
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 11:28 AM
Oct 2016

And in the end, the best they can say is hatred if how she handled her marriage. Which is bizarre to hear throughly progressive men admit. They didn't get how incredibly sexist that was.

They'd picked up quite a bit of the RW framing over the years simply because it made them feel super lefty. And once that realization came to them they listened to her for really the first time. And liked her just fine. Not 100% agreement but I think they saw their standards were new and highly unusual. No one could meet those satandards.

Blue Idaho

(5,048 posts)
8. I wonder if he realizes his credibility is pretty much shot?
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 11:56 PM
Oct 2016

No one on the right ever thought he was any sort of "hero" and now that he is Putin's lap dog he's pretty much discredited to at least the center and center left as well.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
9. Okay, I see posts that Assange is in bed with Putin - what indications do you have...
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 11:57 PM
Oct 2016

... that that is accurate other than the Russians are using Wikileaks to publish hacked emails. That may be just a convenient outlet for them - they are surely not going to admit they are the hackers and release the emails themselves.

Now this is an honest question - I just want to know - are their other indications that Assange is "Putin's boy"?

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
11. There's his anti-Hillary news conferences for one thing
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 12:07 AM
Oct 2016

And I guess that's all the proof I need; you may feel otherwise.

There's a chance his anti-Hillary press stuff is a PR campaign for Wikileaks, I guess, but it doesn't seem like it to me.

I've always supported his intentions -- I'm more than a little bit the anarchist myself -- but I've always felt Assange was a bit of a whack job.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
15. I just wonder who he thinks made him god....
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 12:57 AM
Oct 2016

.... and gave him the power to decide what hacked material should be be released and which should remain private because they could get people killed.

Upthevibe

(8,038 posts)
12. I have wondered this myself. He is awful towards her. I know very little about him.
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 12:15 AM
Oct 2016

Was he accused of a crime in the U.S. (Rape)? And is he "on the run?" I've fantasized about telling this guy that by doing this to the Democratic Niminee, he's f'in with millions of people and their very lives.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
16. Actually he is wanted on rape and sexual assault charges by his homeland Sweden
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 01:04 AM
Oct 2016

He has been on Interpol's most wanted list.

From Wikipedia: "After exhausting his legal options in the United Kingdom, Assange failed to surrender for extradition. Instead, he sought and was granted asylum by Ecuador in August 2012. Assange has since remained in the Embassy of Ecuador in London, and he is unable to leave without being arrested for breaching his bail conditions."

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
20. Thanks for the correction
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 09:09 AM
Oct 2016

I just assumed he was Swedish. I know that his main fear about returning to Sweden is that he might be extradited to the US to be tried for releasing confidential information. How strong is the case in Sweden? Is there a good chance he could be conflicted?

applegrove

(118,622 posts)
13. Because Putin wants the choke artist Trump to win so Putin can easily snow
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 12:21 AM
Oct 2016

Trump and get more power. And Assange has handed over his power to Putin. Putin leads the outlaws of the world at this point.

 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
14. It's not hard to influence American policy, if you know what you're doing
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 12:45 AM
Oct 2016

The three successful ones I can think of are Osama bin Laden, Benjamin Netanyahu, and Vladimir Putin. Assange works with the latter.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
18. Because he is trying to damage the US and is a tool for Putin
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 01:33 AM
Oct 2016

By this time I absolutely believe that is his motive.

You and I know very well that Putin is collecting info on the GOP as well, but it serves them to enable Trump to rise to power. If Benedict Donald were ever to actually make it to the White House, the Russians would turn on him in a New York minute.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
23. Assange is essentially an anarchist.
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 09:13 AM
Oct 2016

He has a beef with government. Period. In his view, disrupting government is a positive action. He doesn't really care about Hillary or Trump or Putin. He simply wants to tear down governments.

Lunabell

(6,078 posts)
31. Exactly!
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 09:23 AM
Oct 2016

He is doing their bidding. I don't know if he is just getting money, or is a spy. I think this needs to be fully investigated. http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/09/julian-assange-is-a-russian-front-man-not-a-freedom-fighter/ The author is a #NeverTrump republican, but he makes some interesting points.

barbiegeek

(1,140 posts)
28. Assange & Rupert Murdoch are both Australian. Why is Australia problem w/ USA
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 09:17 AM
Oct 2016

Murdoch is an Australian who own Fox News and stirs up the crazies. Assange is Australian.

What does Australia have against us. It is just a strange coincidence.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
29. For the exact same reasons as Trump, actually.
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 09:21 AM
Oct 2016

Both have wrecked their lives by their own hands and cannot admit to it. Therefore, other forces are to blame for their shortcomings: "I wouldn't be in this state if it wasn't for all the people conspiring against me!"

Trump. Assange. Man-boys who take no responsibility for their actions. In other words, the very essence of Conservatism.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
32. Editorial: In the end, Hillary Clinton is the only qualified candidate, and the best choice
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 09:23 AM
Oct 2016
Salt Lake Tribune

This election presents the two most unpopular candidates in recent history. One has developed a reputation for secrecy and dishonesty. The other built a campaign on insults and bigoted statements, finally losing any right to be taken seriously with the recent release of a video in which he was heard to brag about his ability to get away with sexually assaulting women.

There is certainly not a perfect choice but, at this point, the only candidate who comes close to being qualified and fit for the post is Hillary Clinton.

She has shown that she is tough, yet able and willing to reach out to politicians to her left and her right in order to get things done.

Her secret plan to reform health care in America during her husband's administration fell incompetently apart. But she learned from that experience and, as a senator, worked across party lines to extend health insurance to millions of children.

Doodley

(9,088 posts)
33. Unless he can explain why he is helping Trump, we should
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 09:25 AM
Oct 2016

assume he is being paid to do what he is doing from those who would benefit from a Trump presidency, possibly with money from Russia. His actions in this election destroy any moral justification he may have previously used. He has turned Wikileaks from a platform for whistleblowers to expose corruption into a terrorist organization that uses information to affect the outcome of an election, aiding a fascist who would be a global to security.

awake

(3,226 posts)
35. I think he may be an anarchist
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 09:25 AM
Oct 2016

He may feel that the election of Trump will f-up our country so much that anarchy will take root

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
37. He hates anything "West" just like people who love Maduro who can do no wrong
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 09:56 AM
Oct 2016

They are all cut from the same cloth

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
43. I have a problem with the entire Wikileaks concept
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 10:59 AM
Oct 2016

Yep, I get it that governments have too many secrets and that we would like horrible people exposed for what they really are, but who appointed Julian Assange and others like him god. Who put him in charge of what information should be released to the general public and what should not. How could have the knowledge to know when releasing certain classified information might get someone killed.

When does the public's right to know exceed a person's right to privacy. For instance what gives us the right to know what Colin Powell is writing in his email?

I have done some more reading about Assange since I posted my OP. There is much speculation that either Assange is either going nuts due to his confinement in the embassy are that he has selfish reasons for his alliance with Trump.

The first of these reasons is to simply to attract new new readers to Wikileaks. The alt right now considers him a hero. The other reason is that there is an upcoming Presidential election in Ecuador and his protector is not running for reelection. This obviously will have Assange very worried that he will be extradited to Sweden and ultimately to the US. He seems to believe that a Trump administration would be much harsh on him than a Clinton administration.

Sean Hannity, a big Trump promoter told Assange during an interview, “You know, part of me in the beginning was conflicted about you, but you have done a lot of good in what you have exposed about how corrupt, dishonest, and phony our government is.” Later he said, "
“I do hope you get free one day.”

I think that answers my original question.

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