2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy does Julian Assange have a beef with Hillary
I have heard that he does, but not why. An honest question.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,174 posts)But I think he might be afraid she will have him extradited to the US and prosecute him for publishing stolen government documents.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)It's like there's something different about her ...
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)be the one to help him. Also he has worked with Snowden, I don't think Hillary would be sympathetic to dropping the charges of espionage against Snowden, she understands the impact the stealing of documents from the NSA truly means.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Putin hates Hillary because she called the Russian elections dishonest and inspired protests in Moscow when she was SOS.
MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)pnwmom
(108,976 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)I get that he hates the US, is basically an anarchist, and so he hates anyone associated with the US government because he considers them evil imperialists.
But that doesn't explain why he hates her so much more than the GOP or Trump specifically. Say what you will about Hillary, but she's not advocating that we invade countries to steal oil, like Trump does. And she's not the one who thinks we should torture people, even if it doesn't work. And so on.
It's possible that he wants Trump to win simply because he thinks it would hurt America and he hates the US so much that he doesn't care about the danger Trump poses to the rest of the world.
Or maybe he's just a Bernie or Buster: wanted Bernie and is mad at the woman who beat him.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)They prefer women who will submit. That's how misogyny works.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Yeah, the misogyny thing is a reason for sure. In fact, for a lot of the hatred she gets from the "left", there aren't many other explanations. In terms of where she is on policy, she's not far from Obama, and if anything she's to his left.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And in the end, the best they can say is hatred if how she handled her marriage. Which is bizarre to hear throughly progressive men admit. They didn't get how incredibly sexist that was.
They'd picked up quite a bit of the RW framing over the years simply because it made them feel super lefty. And once that realization came to them they listened to her for really the first time. And liked her just fine. Not 100% agreement but I think they saw their standards were new and highly unusual. No one could meet those satandards.
Blue Idaho
(5,048 posts)No one on the right ever thought he was any sort of "hero" and now that he is Putin's lap dog he's pretty much discredited to at least the center and center left as well.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)... that that is accurate other than the Russians are using Wikileaks to publish hacked emails. That may be just a convenient outlet for them - they are surely not going to admit they are the hackers and release the emails themselves.
Now this is an honest question - I just want to know - are their other indications that Assange is "Putin's boy"?
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)And I guess that's all the proof I need; you may feel otherwise.
There's a chance his anti-Hillary press stuff is a PR campaign for Wikileaks, I guess, but it doesn't seem like it to me.
I've always supported his intentions -- I'm more than a little bit the anarchist myself -- but I've always felt Assange was a bit of a whack job.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts).... and gave him the power to decide what hacked material should be be released and which should remain private because they could get people killed.
barbiegeek
(1,140 posts)SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)barbiegeek
(1,140 posts)Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Upthevibe
(8,038 posts)Was he accused of a crime in the U.S. (Rape)? And is he "on the run?" I've fantasized about telling this guy that by doing this to the Democratic Niminee, he's f'in with millions of people and their very lives.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)He has been on Interpol's most wanted list.
From Wikipedia: "After exhausting his legal options in the United Kingdom, Assange failed to surrender for extradition. Instead, he sought and was granted asylum by Ecuador in August 2012. Assange has since remained in the Embassy of Ecuador in London, and he is unable to leave without being arrested for breaching his bail conditions."
Nailzberg
(4,610 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)I just assumed he was Swedish. I know that his main fear about returning to Sweden is that he might be extradited to the US to be tried for releasing confidential information. How strong is the case in Sweden? Is there a good chance he could be conflicted?
applegrove
(118,622 posts)Trump and get more power. And Assange has handed over his power to Putin. Putin leads the outlaws of the world at this point.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)The three successful ones I can think of are Osama bin Laden, Benjamin Netanyahu, and Vladimir Putin. Assange works with the latter.
Hekate
(90,645 posts)By this time I absolutely believe that is his motive.
You and I know very well that Putin is collecting info on the GOP as well, but it serves them to enable Trump to rise to power. If Benedict Donald were ever to actually make it to the White House, the Russians would turn on him in a New York minute.
lame54
(35,284 posts)They're gonna break his knee-caps
LexVegas
(6,059 posts)MineralMan
(146,286 posts)He has a beef with government. Period. In his view, disrupting government is a positive action. He doesn't really care about Hillary or Trump or Putin. He simply wants to tear down governments.
lame54
(35,284 posts)And Hillary is running for Obama's third term
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Orange Hitlers fav dictator.
Lunabell
(6,078 posts)He is doing their bidding. I don't know if he is just getting money, or is a spy. I think this needs to be fully investigated. http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/09/julian-assange-is-a-russian-front-man-not-a-freedom-fighter/ The author is a #NeverTrump republican, but he makes some interesting points.
barbiegeek
(1,140 posts)Murdoch is an Australian who own Fox News and stirs up the crazies. Assange is Australian.
What does Australia have against us. It is just a strange coincidence.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Both have wrecked their lives by their own hands and cannot admit to it. Therefore, other forces are to blame for their shortcomings: "I wouldn't be in this state if it wasn't for all the people conspiring against me!"
Trump. Assange. Man-boys who take no responsibility for their actions. In other words, the very essence of Conservatism.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]
brooklynite
(94,502 posts)This election presents the two most unpopular candidates in recent history. One has developed a reputation for secrecy and dishonesty. The other built a campaign on insults and bigoted statements, finally losing any right to be taken seriously with the recent release of a video in which he was heard to brag about his ability to get away with sexually assaulting women.
There is certainly not a perfect choice but, at this point, the only candidate who comes close to being qualified and fit for the post is Hillary Clinton.
She has shown that she is tough, yet able and willing to reach out to politicians to her left and her right in order to get things done.
Her secret plan to reform health care in America during her husband's administration fell incompetently apart. But she learned from that experience and, as a senator, worked across party lines to extend health insurance to millions of children.
Doodley
(9,088 posts)assume he is being paid to do what he is doing from those who would benefit from a Trump presidency, possibly with money from Russia. His actions in this election destroy any moral justification he may have previously used. He has turned Wikileaks from a platform for whistleblowers to expose corruption into a terrorist organization that uses information to affect the outcome of an election, aiding a fascist who would be a global to security.
demotux
(76 posts)... and publish Trump's taxfiles.
awake
(3,226 posts)He may feel that the election of Trump will f-up our country so much that anarchy will take root
Took the words out of my mouth.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)They are all cut from the same cloth
stonecutter357
(12,695 posts)Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Yep, I get it that governments have too many secrets and that we would like horrible people exposed for what they really are, but who appointed Julian Assange and others like him god. Who put him in charge of what information should be released to the general public and what should not. How could have the knowledge to know when releasing certain classified information might get someone killed.
When does the public's right to know exceed a person's right to privacy. For instance what gives us the right to know what Colin Powell is writing in his email?
I have done some more reading about Assange since I posted my OP. There is much speculation that either Assange is either going nuts due to his confinement in the embassy are that he has selfish reasons for his alliance with Trump.
The first of these reasons is to simply to attract new new readers to Wikileaks. The alt right now considers him a hero. The other reason is that there is an upcoming Presidential election in Ecuador and his protector is not running for reelection. This obviously will have Assange very worried that he will be extradited to Sweden and ultimately to the US. He seems to believe that a Trump administration would be much harsh on him than a Clinton administration.
Sean Hannity, a big Trump promoter told Assange during an interview, You know, part of me in the beginning was conflicted about you, but you have done a lot of good in what you have exposed about how corrupt, dishonest, and phony our government is. Later he said, "
I do hope you get free one day.
I think that answers my original question.