Is Mike Pence Honestly Stupid, Stupidly Honest or Just Stupid? No he’s Deadly Stupid

[Jnew28]

Please read and share: http://stupidpartymathvmyth.com/1/post/2016/07/mike-pence-honestly-stupid-stupidly-honest-just-deadly-stupid.html

"The one time talk radio host “Rush Limbaugh on decaf” who chats his way to the Governorship, the guy who blew his Presidential aspirations over his cock up in his handling of Indiana’s Orwellian named religious liberty law, the guy who evidently Trumped regretted picking as his VP even before Trump officially picked him as his VP—”CNN’s Dana Bash and NBC News’ Kelly O’Donnell both reported that Trump got cold feet Thursday night over his apparent veep choice, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence. According to Bash, Trump was “so unsure” about his offer to Pence that “around midnight last night, he asked aides if he could get out of it.” O’Donnell tweeted that the real estate mogul was on the phone late into the evening on Thursday, “asking if he could change course on VP pick.” It is not like the negative feeling is not mutual -no it is much worse than that – The National Review’s Tim Alberta reported in April that longtime friends of Pence’s said the governor “loathes” Trump. Alberta stood by that reporting on Friday. A match made in hell then. Yes meet the StupidParty of 2016, a year when every day is Christmas day…"

[Cha]

1. Well, he's not honest.

[Jnew28]

5. How can you be honest when you have to defend Trump, right?

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

[Cha]

11. There's that.. and it's the same way

he lies about everything else.. with the ease of a sociopath.

[Jnew28]

12. His campaign should have had Trump focus on the economy, ISIS, and the military....

...the entire time. The immigrant/racial obsession destroyed his chances 3-4 months ago in my opinion.

[saltpoint]

2. I think he's as manipulative as he is ambitious,

and he is extremely ambitious indeed.

[Jnew28]

3. I sense a 2020 run.

[saltpoint]

7. Yes. I think Pence is calculating his

chances as we speak.

Fattening up that donor Rolodex.

[Jnew28]

8. And honestly...

I think that either Clinton or Trump will be a one termer - a true outsider will win next time.

[saltpoint]

9. Hillary-Kaine may surprise the odds on

that. We have to win the general in November, and preferably take at least the Senate back.

There'll be a short window to nominate justices etc., and then we face long odds on retaining the Senate in that next cycle.

But as a national entity, I don't see the GOP crawling their way out of the rubble any time soon. Agree that a strong third party / independent campaign could have a major impact in 2020, but they're going to have to better than Gary Johnson. A lot better. Find somebody who's had a little geography somewhere along the way in high school.

[Jnew28]

10. Very great points my friend.

I agree that her election is crucial in regards to balancing out the Court's right-leaning jurisprudence.

However, the Sanders' millennials are going to present another strong primary challenge - and this time, not coming from a 74-year-old socialist from Vermont.

She can mitigate this potential issue, however, by adhering to a more progressive platform.

[emulatorloo]

13. She's got a long record as a liberal and a fighter, so please drop the BoB memes

And Jeff Weaver-style dishonest innuendo.

That is long past it's sell by date, and it doesn't really add anything to your arguments.

And I say both of those things as a Sanders primary supporter.

You are a great poster, have a great night.

[Jnew28]

16. Yeah...

...She definitely has a record of favoring some major progressive policies - and the leaked emails show her outright support for single-payer.

The way in which I would classify her as "non-progressive" is her cozy relationship with Wall Street - now, does her political career show that she was influenced by big money? Not necessarily. But her globalist, pro-banking talking points - as she praised bankers who were involved in crashing the economy in her private speeches - came off as a bit sychophantic.

[emulatorloo]

39. When she asked Bernie how she helped Wall Street, he had no answer.

Sure, on Weavers advice he parroted Weaver's "deal with the devil" talking points.

But when she asked him for an example and push came to shove, Bernie was unwilling to lie about Hillary.

He knows her record, has worked with her: Bernie knows she has done NOTHING in her career to favor Wall Street.

So seriously, please drop the whore of Wall Street and Hillary is dishonest memes. They aren't true.

[Jnew28]

41. Hey, I concede that he had an incredibly weak response...

....the point really was how these private speeches would impact future legislation. While it's speculative, it still has some merit as politicians often scratch the backs of those who helped them into office.

[emulatorloo]

42. You've seen the 'worst' paragraphs of several speeches from Wikileaks

Podesta's email of excerpts that he believed could dishonestly spun as negative.

There's nothing negative about them.

There is certainly no talk or evidence at all of collusion between HRC and Wall Street on future legislation.

That's just garbage speculation and conspiracy theory

Speculation is not fact, it is a smear.

Have a great day and take care of yourself!

[Jnew28]

43. You can add this shadiness to the list as well...

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/wikileaks-email-shows-bernie-sanders-was-paid-off-to-support-hillary/

[emulatorloo]

44. Seriously? That's nothing but negative spin and innuendo.

Email says no such thing, and please note the blog has changed the FALSE headline about Sanders being "paid off"

Bernie said from day one that he would support the Dem nominee.

There are a bunch of assholes who are twisting and spinning these emails to pretend they are saying things they aren't saying.

I don't know what motivates them to do so.

In the case of your "Libertarian" source they seem to be stirring the pot and playing some "divide and conquer" game

I suggest you ignore the spin and just read the content.

Best Regards.

[vlyons]

14. If Clinton can improve student loans, get immigration reform,

and justice reform, she need not worry too much about getting a 2nd term. But a republican obstructionist House will be a big obstacle to overcome.

[saltpoint]

15. The GOP has the power to obstruct, yes,

although there are forces at play that could blast through the roadblock.

One is Ryan's unpopularity with the Bagger cadre. They never liked him and they like him less now. He'll win re-election from his district but may face a mutiny after the first of the year from his own party's far right wing.

If Trump-Pence continues to tank in national polling, there is a rising chance that Democrats could regain control of the House, or in any case, gain enough seats to make Ryan's job much harder. He would be forced to negotiate more and block less. And if we get the Senate back this cycle, he can no longer work with McConnell to stonewall everything President Clinton proposes.

If we gain control of the Senate, I think President Clinton should consider nominating one Barack Obama to the Supreme Court of the United States. We'd have the votes, and it would piss Mitch McConnell off somethin' fierce.

[vlyons]

17. The trick is to own the House.

Dems need to do a much much better job of making GOP obstruction the culprit of why Gov doesn't work.

[saltpoint]

21. Yes. We could hit them a lot

harder on that. They have been very bad girls and boys, those Republican House members.

[vlyons]

25. I want to see Clinton use obstruction to get her top 2 or 3 objectives

She needs to specifically use GOP obstruction as the REASON why students pay high interest rates on student loans. Why obstruction is the REASON why there's no jobs bill to fix and upgrade infrastructure and renewable energy jobs. Do this for the 2018 midterms. Pretty hard for the GOP to demonize cheap student loans and more jobs.

[Jnew28]

19. Barack would be the new Taft, minus the subcutaneous fat.

[saltpoint]

22. Yes. Taft -- wasn't he the only U.S. president

who later served on the high court? I'm not sure what kind of shape his mind was in by then, but it seems to stand out as a true exception for someone to have served in both capacities.

Obama would be a younger appointment and suitably tough to take on the far right justices. He'd likely drive them up a wall.

If we regain the Senate and Barack Obama is appointed to fill the vacancy left by Scalia's death, Mitch McConnell would probably undertake a pyrrhic Thelma-and-Louise leap off a high cliff in a manure wagon.

[Jnew28]

23. Yes - the only US president to do so, under a very conservative Court.

[Jnew28]

18. One of my primary concerns...

...is the continuing gridlock, which will just create more anger against status quo politics. Her first hundred days are crucial as I think the Democrats will be able to regain control of the Senate - and most important, be able to sway reasonable Republicans, such as Paul Ryan to cross the aisle.

[saltpoint]

20. Yes, they need a handful of fairly high-profile

Republicans to cross that aisle to get things done. It could be Ryan, especially if he senses he has more to gain that way than by obstructing.

Agree also that that first 100 days is going to be a whole lot of the story. Trump's latest ad depicts HRC as medically unsound, frail, and weak. She could hit the ground running in January and in that first 100 days, she could alter the course of the nation. It would leave Trump's supporters stupefied. Of course Trump's supporters are already pretty stupefied as it is.

I have a worry (that I'm trying to suppress) that the Senate outcome is (in effect) 50-50, which appears to give Democrats the chamber with Kaine's tie-breaking vote, but that someone like Joe Manchin of West Virginia will change parties and join the Pukes. So I want the Senate, but I'm greedy: I want a majority that's party switch-proof.

[OnDoutside]

24. He'd want a new calculator then. He's an irrelevance and will be after the GE. Worse, he will be

inextricably linked to Trump in the post election civil war.

[saltpoint]

30. I like your prediction and will cross

all my fingers that it is realized in voters' minds.

But I do worry about those voters who do not have minds, meaning of course the Republican base.

We watch the behavior of Trump-Pence supporters at those rallies and it does seem fair to ask where those people left their brains.

[Jnew28]

36. I actually think he's backing off in time - Trump will try to force the creation...

...of a third party, but it will presumably fail due to his personal moral failings.

[OnDoutside]

37. I don't think he would have any interest in a 3rd party. He'll stick around the Republican Party,

like a dose of the clap. After all, someone else will be paying for it. The Media organisation is the money one.

[Lucinda]

4. he is a liar n/t

[Jnew28]

6. Agreed.

[Mike Nelson]

26. Of those three...

...the winner is "Stupid" because it's the option without "Honest" (Pence is not honest). Pence wants to be President/Savior of the US.

[raging moderate]

27. Pence is honest. He is just delusional.

His church puts a straight-jacket on his mind. Only certain tightly-scripted thoughts are allowed.

[LisaL]

28. Honest? Did you watch the VP debate?

[raging moderate]

29. I think he truly believes what he said.

I attended such a church in my teens. The thinking is very binary, very black/white. Anything that would alter one's thinking is blipped out as evil seduction by devils. Whatever props up their rigid narrow tribe is believed. No matter how solid the evidence, it MUST be a lie planted by the enemy. No matter how evil someone is in words or deeds, he MUST be actually a divine messenger if he attacks the culture enemies of the rigid tribal society, which MUST be maintained as handed down by ancestors.

[Mike Nelson]

31. I think...

...he's both dishonest and delusional. Pence believes he's doing the Lord Jesus' work. So, to lie about what Trump says aims for a greater goal: stopping "baby-killers" and "godless gays" from continuing their "holocaust". Pence represents the view that keeping people like Obama and Hillary out of power could keep him out of Hell and ensure a position in Heaven close to God/Jesus. Just my opinion.

[BlueMTexpat]

38. + a million or so! eom

[Adrahil]

32. He is a an extremely ambitious and a practiced liar.

He is a genuinely horrible person. One of my joys in seeing Trump crushed will be seeing the end of Mike Pence's career. Fuck him.

[Jnew28]

35. I wish that was the case - but his base will look for the next loon to support. n/t

[Gabi Hayes]

40. totally.....you might enjoy this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028129628

[Gothmog]

33. Pence is both a liar and a stupid person

[Jnew28]

34. Soup for you! n/t