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boston bean

(36,221 posts)
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 07:44 AM Oct 2016

Democratic elector says he may reject Clinton

Robert Satiacum Jr. calls Hillary Clinton a “clown,” a “rat,” a “criminal” and a virtual clone of Donald Trump. But that’s not all.

He’s also one of 12 Democrats designated to cast his electoral vote for Clinton if she wins Washington, a blue state she's expected to easily carry. Now, he’s caught in a fierce personal struggle over whether to rebel against her in the Electoral College, a decision that could create havoc in a close presidential contest.

“How can I say and do and be who I am and then cast a vote for somebody that’s the same as Trump?” Satiacum wondered. “They may be male, female, but they’re in the same canoe.”


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/washington-elector-hillary-clinton-rejection-229647

If this happens, all hell is going to break loose.

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Democratic elector says he may reject Clinton (Original Post) boston bean Oct 2016 OP
What a fricking traitor Emilybemily Oct 2016 #1
Dear Mr. Satiacum... Mike Nelson Oct 2016 #2
This. Just like County Clerks who cannot do their jobs anoNY42 Oct 2016 #7
Exactly. This isn't complicated. Adrahil Oct 2016 #26
The current legal consensus is that laws penalizing "faithless electors" are unconstitutional. PoliticAverse Oct 2016 #31
Then if he can't commit, he has to go. NT Adrahil Oct 2016 #36
How do these ignorant idiots get these positions? liberal N proud Oct 2016 #3
It's classic fringe ignorance, and narcissism, as his EC vote should be how his state votes. BobbyDrake Oct 2016 #10
Who named this seething nutjob as an elector? geek tragedy Oct 2016 #17
His concern will be duly noted... Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2016 #4
He's an idiot BainsBane Oct 2016 #5
I wonder if he can be removed? I have no idea how these electors are chosen... boston bean Oct 2016 #6
Sounds like another ignorant self-absorbed fringe loonie. BobbyDrake Oct 2016 #8
Read the article. His activist father was his hero. And also a child molester. BobbyDrake Oct 2016 #13
Then RESIGN ASSHOLE! workinclasszero Oct 2016 #9
He won't do it, this is all bluster. These guys always fall in line. smorkingapple Oct 2016 #11
Pinebagger grossproffit Oct 2016 #12
If he feels that way, he should get out of the way & let somebody else do the job. If he doesn't EV_Ares Oct 2016 #14
"a decision that could create havoc in a close presidential contest"?!? By whose metric? (nt) apnu Oct 2016 #15
Too late to replace this toxic narcissistic piece of garbage? nt geek tragedy Oct 2016 #16
More from Politico SharonClark Oct 2016 #18
"31 states have laws that require Electors to vote for whoever won the state"... PoliticAverse Oct 2016 #33
The guy's still fighting the Dem primary. oasis Oct 2016 #39
Just vote the will of the people, jackass--not your personal agenda. book_worm Oct 2016 #19
Get rid of the electoral college process BSdetect Oct 2016 #20
He could (and ethically should) resign his position as elector ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #21
Just another ego driven individual who believes he should hold more influence than the voters. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #22
How did this moron get picked as an elector? Renew Deal Oct 2016 #23
One big key to the democratic process... Wounded Bear Oct 2016 #24
Ray v Blair NCTraveler Oct 2016 #25
I suspect this BOBer is attempting to hurt Hillary's turnout via oasis Oct 2016 #40
Anyone who doesn't honor the vote of the people in this role needs to be charged with a felony NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #27
He thinks the election is about HIM C_U_L8R Oct 2016 #29
Holy crap! Wake the hell up...... bobGandolf Oct 2016 #30
Actually no, electors elect the President not the "electorate". n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2016 #34
What an attention whore dalton99 Oct 2016 #32
Faithleas Electors is one of the problems with the electoral system. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2016 #35
Faithless electors can be a problem Gothmog Oct 2016 #37
I think he's a poster on JPR (joke) steve2470 Oct 2016 #38
 

anoNY42

(670 posts)
7. This. Just like County Clerks who cannot do their jobs
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 07:55 AM
Oct 2016

when it comes to teh gays, this guy just needs to quit.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
26. Exactly. This isn't complicated.
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 10:39 AM
Oct 2016

In many states, Electors MUST vote for their committed candidate and if they do not, they are subject to penalties.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
31. The current legal consensus is that laws penalizing "faithless electors" are unconstitutional.
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 10:49 AM
Oct 2016

No "faithless elector" has ever been penalized.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
10. It's classic fringe ignorance, and narcissism, as his EC vote should be how his state votes.
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:01 AM
Oct 2016

NOT based on his preference. He was given a role with specific procedures to it, not some kind of second back-up personal vote.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
8. Sounds like another ignorant self-absorbed fringe loonie.
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 07:59 AM
Oct 2016

His role is to cast his vote as his state votes. It's not "his" vote to cast in the first place. And if he announces that he can't do that, then the process to remove him should be started, so a replacement who can fulfill the duties of the role can be found instead.

I'm beyond tired of so many assholes thinking that our government exists to cater to their god damn special feelings!

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
13. Read the article. His activist father was his hero. And also a child molester.
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:07 AM
Oct 2016

This is such an obvious publicity stunt, it makes me sick.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
9. Then RESIGN ASSHOLE!
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 07:59 AM
Oct 2016

How did this POS ever get the position in the first place??

Congrats on being on the wrong side of history idiot!

 

EV_Ares

(6,587 posts)
14. If he feels that way, he should get out of the way & let somebody else do the job. If he doesn't
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:26 AM
Oct 2016

they should find a legal way to remove him as a elector.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
18. More from Politico
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:50 AM
Oct 2016

"Satiacum got involved in this election cycle as a delegate to the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia for Bernie Sanders. He was among the delegates who stormed the press tent after Clinton was formally nominated. Satiacum was picked as a delegate, he said, largely by chance – after delivering brief remarks at a local convention decrying the lack of concern for Indian Country. Later, Patsy Whiteout, a prominent Native American education advocate, nominated him to be an elector."

31 states have laws that require Electors to vote for whoever won the state, including WA.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
33. "31 states have laws that require Electors to vote for whoever won the state"...
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 10:50 AM
Oct 2016

The current legal consensus is that laws penalizing "faithless electors" are unconstitutional.

No "faithless elector" has ever been penalized.

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
20. Get rid of the electoral college process
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 09:01 AM
Oct 2016

It's completely bonkers.

We do not need 4 year long presidential campaigns - it's inhuman torture

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
24. One big key to the democratic process...
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 10:35 AM
Oct 2016

You have to submit to the will of the voters. Shit like this doesn't help.

oasis

(49,376 posts)
40. I suspect this BOBer is attempting to hurt Hillary's turnout via
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 12:58 PM
Oct 2016

the press he gets from this story.

 

NoGoodNamesLeft

(2,056 posts)
27. Anyone who doesn't honor the vote of the people in this role needs to be charged with a felony
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 10:43 AM
Oct 2016

And have their asses tossed in jail. That would be interference with the election.

bobGandolf

(871 posts)
30. Holy crap! Wake the hell up......
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 10:48 AM
Oct 2016

Has anyone explained to this guy it is not his vote to use. It is the electorates.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
35. Faithleas Electors is one of the problems with the electoral system.
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 10:56 AM
Oct 2016

It would not be the first time an elector went rogue. It has never thrown the election in doubt.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
37. Faithless electors can be a problem
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 12:42 PM
Oct 2016

We vetted the people elected as electors at the state convention very carefully. In theory Washington law may enforce this elector to vote the right way.

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