For Christians considering Trump: 1 Corinthians 5:11

[ehrnst]

I am writing to tell you that you must not associate with those who call themselves believers in Christ but who sin sexually, or are greedy, or worship idols, or abuse others with words, or get drunk, or cheat people. Do not even eat with people like that.

[TBA]

1. WWJG

Who Would Jesus Grope

[rurallib]

2. well, Trump doesn't drink

does snorting coke count? If so he scores 100 on that test.

[ehrnst]

3. Cocaine didn't exist then, and I think that's a yes that it would be included in "drunk". (nt)

[ehrnst]

4. Proverbs 16:29

A violent person entices his neighbor, and leads him down a path that is terrible.

[ehrnst]

5. Proverbs 24:1-2

Do not envy the wicked, do not desire their company; for their hearts plot violence, and their lips talk about making trouble

[PJMcK]

6. There you go with that "One" Corinthians thing, again! (n/t)

[lame54]

7. Didn't Jesus make wine?

[ColemanMaskell]

9. drinking is okay, just not drunkenness. Also that was low-alcohol wine, a few per cent. Also

Some scholars think that "wine" referred to all fruit juice generally. Specifically "new wine" was fresh fruit juice, not fermented. Possibly Jesus turned water into new wine -- though it doesn't specifically say. Consider the passage where the bible talks about putting new wine into old wine skins, and how the new wine will make the wine skins burst later -- namely, when the fruit juice ferments and gives off gas, the pressure will burst the wine skins. So there is good indication that "new wine" is fruit juice, and the word wine in general encompasses both new and old wine, that is, unfermented fruit juice and fermented wine.

[lame54]

11. talk about reading between the lines...

He did it when the wine ran out and it was suggested the guest had too much to drink
But thanks to Jesus the partying continued

[ColemanMaskell]

12. Honest, some bible scholars think "wine" means fermented or unfermented fruit juice.

Yes, the water-to-wine thing happened after the wine ran out at the party, but that doesn't tell you if it was "new wine" or fermented wine that ran out. Just because your parties feature alcohol doesn't mean that all parties feature it. They may have been drinking fruit juice.

I was skeptical when I first heard this line of thinking too, but eventually I was convinced. Obviously none of us were there and we don't speak the language that was spoken -- Given that we have trouble with Ye Olde Englishe which is only a few hundred years old, translation of a two thousand year old foreign language is not going to have 100% confidence level.

Anyway people really do study this, and one serious school of thought among such people has it that "wine" on its own means any fruit juice, whether fermented or not; that "new wine" is fresh fruit juice; and that "old wine" is fermented wine containing alcohol. There is additional evidence I won't bore you with here, but it is a serious school of thought.

Obviously it is a view that suits religions that advocate abstaining from alcohol. I think Mormons might be such a religion.
There are others. Seventh Day Adventists.

[susanna]

15. Fermentation as a preservation method is nothing new.

The fermentation of liquids was actually crucial to human survival. Fermented fruit juices (wine/cider) or fermented barley malt water (beer) were necessary because pathogens would grow unchecked in unfermented liquids (pasteurization did not exist way back when). This is why ales, wines and spirits (although distilling came later) are mentioned as common drinks in historical documents vs. water. People did not generally drink water, as a rule, because of contamination concerns.

Now, it was different in Asia - they drank mostly tea, and tea is made with boiled water. The boiling rendered the water safe.

[sinkingfeeling]

8. Is that One Corinthians?

[MineralMan]

10. Send that to all ministers and pastors who are supporting Trump.

Remind them that there's a book of rules for Christians that they're supposed to have read and understood.

Good verse.

[Rocknrule]

13. They don't read that book of rules

except for the parts on homosexuality

[Frank Cannon]

17. Which is pretty damn funny...

As Jesus doesn't say a word about homosexuality in the Bible.

[Frank Cannon]

16. They don't give a fuck about the New Testament.

All they ever do is quote little snippets of the Old Testament. Very rarely, they'll dig into a few of Paul's less tolerant statements from the New Testament. NEVER do they offer anything from the Gospels. You would think those books had never been written.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

14. New International Version

But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.