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Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
Sat Oct 15, 2016, 12:25 PM Oct 2016

Will the US survive?

The US (and other Democratic/Republic nations) have a tradition that when the Party in power is voted out of office and a new Party takes the reigns of government, it is a peaceful transition. In my lifetime, which stretches back to Harry Truman, there has only been one stretch where one party held the office of President for more than 8 years (Reagan/George H. W. Bush) and only one where a sitting President was not reelected (Carter). The point being that each time there was a peaceful transition of power. The campaign for the Presidency might become hot and heavy with attacks and counter-attacks by the candidates, but once the election was over the losers conceded gracefully and the winners accepted graciously. Never in the history of the United States have we attempted to prosecute a former President or Presidential Candidate for something they may (or may not) have said or done in the performance of their previous governmental positions. Additionally, every serious Presidential Candidate was expected to have some background in government it they were to be taken seriously. Certainly there have been candidates with no experience who have run - Nader and Perot come to mind, there have been others - but they were never considered to have a valid chance.

In the last election, the Republican Candidate, John McCain, gently but firmly repudiated the birther/Muslim/non-citizen meme being pushed when he told a woman that Obama was a good and decent man who was born here, who was a Christian, and that he was just someone that McCain had policy differences with. Note that the birther myth may not have originated with Donald Trump, but it was certainly fanned into a driving myth by him.

This election is radically different. The GOP has nominated a man with absolutely no background government, has never been elected to any office and is running on a platform devoid of any real policy, simply one of hate and fear. He has threatened to imprison his opponent after the election, he has threatened to destroy the First Amendment. He seems to have absolutely no real understanding of how our Federal Government operates. He has suggested that his supporters assassinate his opponent, he has preached to his supporters that if he doesn't get elected it will be because the election are rigged. He claims that the media (including any newspaper, TV station, radio personality, or blogger) who disagrees on anything he says is part of a vast cabal that is out to 'get us' and 'destroy our very civilization'. He has suggested that his followers go armed to polling places in black neighborhoods and 'challenge voters' - apparently anyone who might be thinking about voting for anyone but him. He has actually claimed that "[He] is the only person who can save us".

He has engendered a tidal wave of hate and fear that hasn't been seen in this country in nearly 60 years. Perhaps this sort of thing has to happen every few generations. The Constitution was ratified in 1789. Seventy years we had the Civil War. Ninety years later the Civil Rights Movement began, and sixty years later we have Trump. Perhaps we need to be shaken out of our complacency every now and then.

But now is a different time. Things that were once 'unthinkable' are not 'thinkable'. Blowing up buildings to 'try and start a race war'. Shooting up a school full of kids. Start with High Schools and work you way down to Sandy Hook. Blow up a Government Building and work your way down to shooting up night clubs. The violence of the Revolution, the Civil War, the Civil Rights Movement is at least understandable, the random violence of today is not.

I will go vote early on November 8th. I will go to my strongly Red precinct and cast my ballot for every Democrat on the ballot from Hillary on down. If there isn't a Democrat running for a particular office, I won't vote for anyone for that office. Then I will go home and wait for results. I will have food stocked for the next couple of days. I won't go out. I will 'shelter in place'. Regardless of the outcome I expect 'civil unrest' and I have no interest in being part of it. Will the Trumpers grudgingly finally come to accept that their candidate actually lost because a majority of Americans voted for someone else? How long will it take? Will Trump fade quietly away as some new con catches his eye or will he continue to try and tear down 'the shining city on the hill' to appease his insanity and monstrous ego? Will Trump start up his own network to compete with FOX and preach his brand of jingoism and authoritarianism with messianic fervor, a new Rush Limbaugh/Benito Mussolini/Adolph Hitler or will his narcissistic massive ego send him hurtling off in some new direction?

Will we, as a nation, survive?

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Will the US survive? (Original Post) Stonepounder Oct 2016 OP
Not if GWC58 Oct 2016 #1
Yes, we will survive. Glamrock Oct 2016 #2
We may survive, dgibby Oct 2016 #3
We live Lefthacker Oct 2016 #4
A Russian professor, dgibby Oct 2016 #5
Dimitry Orlov Binkie The Clown Oct 2016 #6
Thanks. dgibby Oct 2016 #7
Bad as thing are at this moment, marybourg Oct 2016 #8
I'm old enough to remember Bobby Kennedy and MLK being assassinated workinclasszero Oct 2016 #9
I fervently hope to be proved wrong as well! Stonepounder Oct 2016 #10
Protect the vote Johnny2X2X Oct 2016 #12
Dec 1969 #

Glamrock

(11,794 posts)
2. Yes, we will survive.
Sat Oct 15, 2016, 12:31 PM
Oct 2016

With some social strife of course. I think we'll see a legislative reigning in of the right wing echo chamber if things get bad enough. Which, in the long run is desperately needed.

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
3. We may survive,
Sat Oct 15, 2016, 12:35 PM
Oct 2016

but we may be on life support before it's over. I'm 70, have never seen anything like this, and I came of age during the 60's. Trump and his followers present a "real and present danger" to the rest of us.

Lefthacker

(264 posts)
4. We live
Sat Oct 15, 2016, 12:46 PM
Oct 2016

In a fractured nation, no doubt about it. However,
there are, thankfully enough sane thinking people to elect our first African American president and God willing our first female president. I feel the election of Obama intensified the disgusting hate that still persists in too many pockets of our country. The Republican nomination of the biggest slime to ever run for office gave those pigs
a voice. The right is seeing their view, their warped, sick view dwindling into oblivion. We in time will be better as a nation but it shows we will still be fractured. Germany to this day has neo Nazi extremists as do other countries.
My hope is that in time even some sane thinking Republicans see the light. Maybe that's a PollyAnnish hope?

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
5. A Russian professor,
Sat Oct 15, 2016, 01:12 PM
Oct 2016

whose name I can't recall at the moment, has predicted that the US will eventually fracture into about 5 countries, based on political/religious beliefs. The more I think about it, the more I think he's absolutely right.

marybourg

(12,609 posts)
8. Bad as thing are at this moment,
Sat Oct 15, 2016, 02:39 PM
Oct 2016

the run-up to the Civil War, the War itself and the Civil Right Era were more violent and dangerous. We survived then, we'll survive now.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
9. I'm old enough to remember Bobby Kennedy and MLK being assassinated
Sat Oct 15, 2016, 02:54 PM
Oct 2016

I don't remember President Kennedy being killed even though I was alive then, too young I guess.

I remember riots, the Detroit riot vividly. The National Guard was called out and they just started shooting people down in the streets. Many people were killed.

I remember Kent State and what happened there. I remember George Wallace and Barry Goldwater. I remember the freedom riders and the horrible beatings they endured in the south at the hands of the police and the KKK.

I remember 3 boys who were terrorized, murdered and buried in a dam in Mississippi so that people could exercise their right to vote.

I hope I'm wrong but I'm afraid a combination of the republican party, the intolerant and un-Christ like religious right, the news media, hate radio, Fox "news" is bringing all the hate, death and misery back from those days.

Trump is the match that will set it all off when he loses the election.

Maybe I'm wrong, I hope so.

Johnny2X2X

(19,023 posts)
12. Protect the vote
Sat Oct 15, 2016, 03:17 PM
Oct 2016

If Trump were elected the Reps would severely curtail voting rights, they'd knock tens of millions off the voter roles in one way or another.

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