2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI hate the Rachel Maddow shtick, but please, talk me down: He won't possibly win, right?
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)He's cooked.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Glamrock
(11,795 posts)Dude (or dudette as the case may be). The betting houses have her at like 90% probability. She's leading by slim majorities in red states. She's statistically tied in Alaska. Alaska! Talk you down (muttering and shaking head).....
nixonwasbetterthanW
(1,317 posts)... of making a 30-yard field goal. I watched some NFL kicking today and a few of them barely got it thru the uprights at that distance.
(I'm a dude but appreciate the consideration!)
Glamrock
(11,795 posts)Thing is the majority of women are now excited to vote against this creep. As are Latinos, African Americans, gays, immigrants, cats, dogs, squirrels....except of course white dudes. We don't make up enough of the population to put him in office. Period. Conventional wisdom from the last election was that the candidate had to get, what, 47% of the Latino vote? Trump is at like 16%. It's all over but the shouting.
Feel better brother?
P. S. Yes. We know. People have to vote.
GWC58
(2,678 posts)white males without a college degree group voting, proudly, for Hillary!🤗😀
klook
(12,154 posts)Not statistically impossible, but the likelihood is so remote that nobody but deluded zealots and obsessive worrywarts (no offense meant) are still thinking he has a chance.
Then again (here's the nagging worry part) -- to continue the analogy: Sure, there could be a sudden gust of 40-mph wind at the kicker's back just as toe meets pigskin. That would be the equivalent of a game-changing late October surprise in Trump's favor.
But with so much already going Clinton's way -- and with voting already under way -- it's really hard to imagine what would constitute a strong enough wind at Trump's back at this point for him to have a chance. 538.com currently has Hillary with an 87.6% chance of winning, to 12.3 % for Trump. I'll take those odds.
I know what you mean, though. I feel the anxiety, too. We'll be worrying until this damned election season is over, and then we'll worry some more when Trump and his pitchfork-and-torch brigade try to say they was robbed. But there are just too many things going in Hillary's favor at this late stage for Trump to pull off a miracle for the ages.
madaboutharry
(40,208 posts)In the next couple of weeks Trump and his campaign will become completely unglued. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up with 30% of the vote. He may even meltdown in front of TV cameras.
GOTV. Just in case I'm wrong.
drm604
(16,230 posts)The one thing that could conceivably go wrong (other than some unexpected major event) is that Democrats become over confident and don't bother voting or volunteering. We need to act as if it's NOT a sure thing. For the sake of the House and Senate, if nothing else
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)Trump.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I wouldn't hold my breath.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)No candidate has ever come back from this sort of deficit.
Charles Bukowski
(1,132 posts)(Post convention, just prior to the first debate) Trump was a longshot to win.
The demographics were against even without his hateful rhetoric.
nixonwasbetterthanW
(1,317 posts)NHDEMFORLIFE
(489 posts)Kuster has it.
-Steph-
(409 posts)I don't think he has any shot at all of winning, but the only way to be sure is to get out the vote.
nixonwasbetterthanW
(1,317 posts)Salviati
(6,008 posts)This election isn't just about winning, but it's about shutting down the trumpian, neo-republican ideology as unacceptable. We need to win, we need to win big, and we need to knock them on their asses for a generation. We need to GOTV in 2016, 2018, and 2020.
drm604
(16,230 posts)For the sake of the House and the Senate, even if the Presidency is a sure thing.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)is there long enough coattails to flip the both houses.
Ligyron
(7,627 posts)But we need to run up the score so there's no possibility of fraud or saying Hills doesn't have a mandate.
GOTV, and the Senate and maybe even the House are ours for the taking.
Kennah
(14,256 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)election is, the more likely he knows he is going to lose.
He is not running a campaign, at least not in the way we traditionally think of national political campaigns. He doesn't have very many field offices. He has minimal staff. The staff he has are nitwits and newbies and rage monsters. One wears a bullet necklace.
A serious contender would have hired experienced staff and a consulting team to focus on issues. That has definitely not happened.
I think the Trump-Pence ticket goes down in flames early on the evening of November 8.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)His strategy now is to get what supporters he has left as angry as hell while hoping Hillary supporters get lulled into a sense of complacency. He's going to play this rigged-election-conspiracy shtick to the hilt.
Also remember that the media has an interest in keeping the race at least apparently competitive, lest no one will watch their highly profitable cable news shows.
Tom Rivers
(459 posts)dems have huge advantage in ground game in a lot of key swing states but also a lot of low information voters out there that trumps act appeals to.
still given that he is running behind in most of the swing state polls and has been for a while i don't think it seems likely. a lot of republican insiders are even publicly stating that they don't think he has much of a chance and worry that he is making it worse now with his off the rails madness.
bottom line if dems get out there and vote for hillary instead of staying home then trump has no path. i trust our gotv crew will step it up to get hillary elected and send trump back to his golden toilet bowl.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)That's why we have to work really hard to make sure it doesn't happen.
Hopefully Hillary will win by a wide enough margin to carry in a Democratic Congress.
LeftRant
(524 posts)Maeve
(42,279 posts)She hasn't used ot much lately, but....
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)We shouldn't be overly confident.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)drm604
(16,230 posts)Hypothetically, suppose that Trump is working with the Russians, and that the Russians are planning to hack, or have already hacked, voting machines in key areas. Part of the plan is to have Trump go on and on about how the election is going to be rigged against him, causing the Democrats, and most of the TV talking heads, to insist over and over that such a thing is not happening and is not even possible.
Then when it is rigged, but against Hillary, it would make it difficult for the Democrats to claim that it is, after weeks of denying that it's even possible.
MFM008
(19,805 posts)She's at 86 perecent
He's at 12
Which odds do you want going into a surgery?
still_one
(92,138 posts)Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)Its possible that Jill Stein wins in a landslide. Its possible that the electors vote for me to be president. Just because something is possible doesnt mean its probable and in the case of trump, its highly improbable that he will win. Even Nate Silver admits has 10ish% that he has trump at right now is likely way too high.
Will Trump win? Anything is possible but to be blunt, no, no he wont.
kairos12
(12,852 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I can't predict the future.
I just try and live in the present.
Anything is a possibility regarding elections.
That's why I vote to make myself heard & encourage all my friends to vote too.
If you want to do more, perhaps if you're able you could help out your local democratic party?
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)The GOP is falling apart before our very eyesthat much is clear. The gaping chasm between the elite/establishment wing of the party and the white working-class voters in the South who have consistently voted Republican (often against their own economic interests) has swallowed whatever middle ground may have once existed between the two factions. Libertarians, in the meantime, dont know which way to turn. This has Republicans of all stripes conjecturing about what the future holds for conservativesand heres one thing they seem to agree on: The GOP as we know it won't exist following this election. ..............