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I hate the Rachel Maddow shtick, but please, talk me down: He won't possibly win, right? (Original Post) nixonwasbetterthanW Oct 2016 OP
I mean anything is possible...but no. Drunken Irishman Oct 2016 #1
Nope. It's impossible. Plus we shld get the senate and so USSC judges! bettyellen Oct 2016 #2
Seriously? I mean really? Glamrock Oct 2016 #3
That's actually my problem right now. Even with 90% probability, it's like an NFL kicker's chance... nixonwasbetterthanW Oct 2016 #6
I'm hip man, I'm hip. Glamrock Oct 2016 #13
I'm in the GWC58 Oct 2016 #30
It's like a 60-yard field goal, with the wind blowing toward him. klook Oct 2016 #31
He won't win. madaboutharry Oct 2016 #4
That's a good point about GOTV. drm604 Oct 2016 #9
Yes, barring some bombshell Wikileak, Stay-at-home voters is the only way this doesn't end badly for OnDoutside Oct 2016 #23
Yes - barring the release of something FINALLY showing her to be a cynical criminal jberryhill Oct 2016 #27
Very slim possibility. It would have to take a massive outside event at this point. Zynx Oct 2016 #5
Even in his best moments Charles Bukowski Oct 2016 #7
I fear election night: NH 2 close to call, NC 2 close, FL 2 close .. OH for Trump, Iowa for Trump .. nixonwasbetterthanW Oct 2016 #8
NH 2 is fine NHDEMFORLIFE Oct 2016 #35
The best thing you can do is get everyone you know out to vote. There's so much at stake. -Steph- Oct 2016 #10
Love the sentiment but am in a very, very blue region. There's not a red EV within 200 miles. nixonwasbetterthanW Oct 2016 #12
Your and your neighbors votes are still important though. Salviati Oct 2016 #18
People still need to vote. drm604 Oct 2016 #25
The Presidential election is over, it's all about how much she wins by and JRLeft Oct 2016 #11
Not even the slightest chance that Trump will win. Ligyron Oct 2016 #14
86.6% likely that he loses Kennah Oct 2016 #15
The more "rigged" he claims the saltpoint Oct 2016 #16
It's possible that he wins Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2016 #17
like i dont think so but nothing would really surprise me Tom Rivers Oct 2016 #19
Of course he can win. I doubt that he will, but it would be foolhardy to say that it is impossible. StevieM Oct 2016 #20
Which schtick? Zero information here. LeftRant Oct 2016 #21
"Talk me down" is a old line of Rachel's Maeve Oct 2016 #24
We all need to work as hard as we would if they were neck and neck. pnwmom Oct 2016 #22
It is very unlikely at this point jberryhill Oct 2016 #26
About the only thing that gives me pause is the fact that Russia has hackers working to help Trump. drm604 Oct 2016 #28
21 days left MFM008 Oct 2016 #29
context? still_one Oct 2016 #32
Possible but highly unlikely Doctor Jack Oct 2016 #33
He has zero chance of winning. kairos12 Oct 2016 #34
I'm sorry I can't talk you down. lovemydog Oct 2016 #36
Will the GOP even exist after 2016? Coyotl Oct 2016 #37

Glamrock

(11,795 posts)
3. Seriously? I mean really?
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 09:06 PM
Oct 2016


Dude (or dudette as the case may be). The betting houses have her at like 90% probability. She's leading by slim majorities in red states. She's statistically tied in Alaska. Alaska! Talk you down (muttering and shaking head).....

nixonwasbetterthanW

(1,317 posts)
6. That's actually my problem right now. Even with 90% probability, it's like an NFL kicker's chance...
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 09:09 PM
Oct 2016

... of making a 30-yard field goal. I watched some NFL kicking today and a few of them barely got it thru the uprights at that distance.

(I'm a dude but appreciate the consideration!)

Glamrock

(11,795 posts)
13. I'm hip man, I'm hip.
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 09:20 PM
Oct 2016

Thing is the majority of women are now excited to vote against this creep. As are Latinos, African Americans, gays, immigrants, cats, dogs, squirrels....except of course white dudes. We don't make up enough of the population to put him in office. Period. Conventional wisdom from the last election was that the candidate had to get, what, 47% of the Latino vote? Trump is at like 16%. It's all over but the shouting.

Feel better brother?

P. S. Yes. We know. People have to vote.

klook

(12,154 posts)
31. It's like a 60-yard field goal, with the wind blowing toward him.
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 05:15 PM
Oct 2016

Not statistically impossible, but the likelihood is so remote that nobody but deluded zealots and obsessive worrywarts (no offense meant) are still thinking he has a chance.

Then again (here's the nagging worry part) -- to continue the analogy: Sure, there could be a sudden gust of 40-mph wind at the kicker's back just as toe meets pigskin. That would be the equivalent of a game-changing late October surprise in Trump's favor.

But with so much already going Clinton's way -- and with voting already under way -- it's really hard to imagine what would constitute a strong enough wind at Trump's back at this point for him to have a chance. 538.com currently has Hillary with an 87.6% chance of winning, to 12.3 % for Trump. I'll take those odds.

I know what you mean, though. I feel the anxiety, too. We'll be worrying until this damned election season is over, and then we'll worry some more when Trump and his pitchfork-and-torch brigade try to say they was robbed. But there are just too many things going in Hillary's favor at this late stage for Trump to pull off a miracle for the ages.

madaboutharry

(40,208 posts)
4. He won't win.
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 09:07 PM
Oct 2016

In the next couple of weeks Trump and his campaign will become completely unglued. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up with 30% of the vote. He may even meltdown in front of TV cameras.

GOTV. Just in case I'm wrong.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
9. That's a good point about GOTV.
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 09:12 PM
Oct 2016

The one thing that could conceivably go wrong (other than some unexpected major event) is that Democrats become over confident and don't bother voting or volunteering. We need to act as if it's NOT a sure thing. For the sake of the House and Senate, if nothing else

OnDoutside

(19,953 posts)
23. Yes, barring some bombshell Wikileak, Stay-at-home voters is the only way this doesn't end badly for
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 05:11 AM
Oct 2016

Trump.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
27. Yes - barring the release of something FINALLY showing her to be a cynical criminal
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 05:05 PM
Oct 2016

I wouldn't hold my breath.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
5. Very slim possibility. It would have to take a massive outside event at this point.
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 09:07 PM
Oct 2016

No candidate has ever come back from this sort of deficit.

 

Charles Bukowski

(1,132 posts)
7. Even in his best moments
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 09:09 PM
Oct 2016

(Post convention, just prior to the first debate) Trump was a longshot to win.

The demographics were against even without his hateful rhetoric.

-Steph-

(409 posts)
10. The best thing you can do is get everyone you know out to vote. There's so much at stake.
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 09:13 PM
Oct 2016

I don't think he has any shot at all of winning, but the only way to be sure is to get out the vote.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
18. Your and your neighbors votes are still important though.
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 11:06 PM
Oct 2016

This election isn't just about winning, but it's about shutting down the trumpian, neo-republican ideology as unacceptable. We need to win, we need to win big, and we need to knock them on their asses for a generation. We need to GOTV in 2016, 2018, and 2020.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
25. People still need to vote.
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 04:59 PM
Oct 2016

For the sake of the House and the Senate, even if the Presidency is a sure thing.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
11. The Presidential election is over, it's all about how much she wins by and
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 09:13 PM
Oct 2016

is there long enough coattails to flip the both houses.

Ligyron

(7,627 posts)
14. Not even the slightest chance that Trump will win.
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 09:22 PM
Oct 2016

But we need to run up the score so there's no possibility of fraud or saying Hills doesn't have a mandate.

GOTV, and the Senate and maybe even the House are ours for the taking.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
16. The more "rigged" he claims the
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 09:42 PM
Oct 2016

election is, the more likely he knows he is going to lose.

He is not running a campaign, at least not in the way we traditionally think of national political campaigns. He doesn't have very many field offices. He has minimal staff. The staff he has are nitwits and newbies and rage monsters. One wears a bullet necklace.

A serious contender would have hired experienced staff and a consulting team to focus on issues. That has definitely not happened.

I think the Trump-Pence ticket goes down in flames early on the evening of November 8.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
17. It's possible that he wins
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 09:56 PM
Oct 2016

His strategy now is to get what supporters he has left as angry as hell while hoping Hillary supporters get lulled into a sense of complacency. He's going to play this rigged-election-conspiracy shtick to the hilt.

Also remember that the media has an interest in keeping the race at least apparently competitive, lest no one will watch their highly profitable cable news shows.

Tom Rivers

(459 posts)
19. like i dont think so but nothing would really surprise me
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 11:22 PM
Oct 2016

dems have huge advantage in ground game in a lot of key swing states but also a lot of low information voters out there that trumps act appeals to.

still given that he is running behind in most of the swing state polls and has been for a while i don't think it seems likely. a lot of republican insiders are even publicly stating that they don't think he has much of a chance and worry that he is making it worse now with his off the rails madness.

bottom line if dems get out there and vote for hillary instead of staying home then trump has no path. i trust our gotv crew will step it up to get hillary elected and send trump back to his golden toilet bowl.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
20. Of course he can win. I doubt that he will, but it would be foolhardy to say that it is impossible.
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 11:38 PM
Oct 2016

That's why we have to work really hard to make sure it doesn't happen.

Hopefully Hillary will win by a wide enough margin to carry in a Democratic Congress.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
28. About the only thing that gives me pause is the fact that Russia has hackers working to help Trump.
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 05:08 PM
Oct 2016

Hypothetically, suppose that Trump is working with the Russians, and that the Russians are planning to hack, or have already hacked, voting machines in key areas. Part of the plan is to have Trump go on and on about how the election is going to be rigged against him, causing the Democrats, and most of the TV talking heads, to insist over and over that such a thing is not happening and is not even possible.

Then when it is rigged, but against Hillary, it would make it difficult for the Democrats to claim that it is, after weeks of denying that it's even possible.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
33. Possible but highly unlikely
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 05:28 PM
Oct 2016

Its possible that Jill Stein wins in a landslide. Its possible that the electors vote for me to be president. Just because something is possible doesnt mean its probable and in the case of trump, its highly improbable that he will win. Even Nate Silver admits has 10ish% that he has trump at right now is likely way too high.

Will Trump win? Anything is possible but to be blunt, no, no he wont.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
36. I'm sorry I can't talk you down.
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 08:34 PM
Oct 2016

I can't predict the future.

I just try and live in the present.

Anything is a possibility regarding elections.

That's why I vote to make myself heard & encourage all my friends to vote too.

If you want to do more, perhaps if you're able you could help out your local democratic party?

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
37. Will the GOP even exist after 2016?
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 08:41 PM
Oct 2016
Will the GOP even exist after 2016?

The GOP is falling apart before our very eyes—that much is clear. The gaping chasm between the elite/establishment wing of the party and the white working-class voters in the South who have consistently voted Republican (often against their own economic interests) has swallowed whatever middle ground may have once existed between the two factions. Libertarians, in the meantime, don’t know which way to turn. This has Republicans of all stripes conjecturing about what the future holds for conservatives—and here’s one thing they seem to agree on: The GOP as we know it won't exist following this election. ..............
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