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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 03:05 AM Oct 2016

It's bullshit to compare Trump(in the new Spanish-language HRC ad) to Hugo Chavez.

Hugo Chavez, even allowing for something of an authoritarian streak at times, was the only leader Venezuela ever had that did anything significant to help the working and jobless poor.

Trump has never helped anyone who was poor, and never would. And his rental practices(and those of his Hitler-moustached father before him) actively made life worse for the poor throughout New York.

Trump is exactly the sort of person Chavez devoted his life to helping the poor organize themselves against.

It's greed and the privileged we should be associating Trump with, not champions of the dispossessed.

(BTW, the opposition now has a solid majority in the Venezuelan Congress and has proposed no measures at all to help anyone other than the country's plutocrats. If they haven't done that with a congressional majority, they will never do it if they win the presidency there. They care only about "property rights" and other tools of the privileged). Nobody in the Venezuelan opposition alliance stands for anything Democrats or progressives agree with.

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It's bullshit to compare Trump(in the new Spanish-language HRC ad) to Hugo Chavez. (Original Post) Ken Burch Oct 2016 OP
Chavez destroyed his country by "helping" the poor Foggyhill Oct 2016 #1
Wrecked economy hurts poor Venezuelans terribly bluedye33139 Oct 2016 #2
Both are (were) Authoritarian; one LW other RW. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #3
Chavez will be ok. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #4
Chavez is dead. Ken Burch Oct 2016 #6
Really? I wasn't aware he was dead. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #7
Defending Chavez to capitalist americans MyNameGoesHere Oct 2016 #5

Foggyhill

(1,060 posts)
1. Chavez destroyed his country by "helping" the poor
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 03:23 AM
Oct 2016

By borrowing from their future
These people are way worse off now than they've ever been and will get even worse

They took a nation's wealth and instead of investing it to produce more for the poor, they delapidated it
Chavez' says policies have been catastrophic for the poor and middle class; as usual, the rich can escape

so, did he really help them or did he use them...
If he wasn't dead Chavez would be in the same place as Maduro

Castro is less democratic but I still respect him more than Chavez.

Trump exploits populist rage by promising the impossible, that's how he is like Chavez

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,957 posts)
3. Both are (were) Authoritarian; one LW other RW.
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 05:29 AM
Oct 2016

As to current Venezuelan politics, it is very polarized. US politics is very polarized.

Polarized politics does not lead to the best government for the governed.

Reducing polarization does mean working with the opposition and vice versa. Unfortunately the "take no prisoners" attitude of the Republicans has been more polarizing than the Democrats when the Ds have had power.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. Really? I wasn't aware he was dead.
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 02:37 PM
Oct 2016


He shares a huge part in their economic problems. Extremely flawed man. Some of the better moves he made were completely overshadowed by the disaster he was a part of.
 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
5. Defending Chavez to capitalist americans
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 07:39 AM
Oct 2016

And progressives is a futile effort. The complexities take more than a sound bite to understand.

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