2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMillenial Surge Has Arrived (WaPo)
Today, in fact, Clinton looks like she might even outperform President Obama among young voters. And it's a big reason she's grabbed a lead in the polls.
A new poll of 18-to-29-year olds from the Harvard Institute of Politics shows Clinton leading Donald Trump by 28 points among young likely voters in a four-way matchup that includes Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, 49 percent to 21 percent. That 28-point margin is notably bigger than Obama's 23-point margin in 2012, when he beat Mitt Romney 60-37 among this group.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/26/hillary-clintons-millennial-surge-has-arrived/
anamandujano
(7,004 posts)The Harvard poll shows her favorable rating among all 18- to 29-year-olds is 40 percent, up from 31 percent in July and 37 percent in April. But on top of that slightly improved image, the universe of likely voters is significantly better for Clinton with 48 percent having a favorable opinion of her.
Trump's numbers, meanwhile, have remained horrible. Fully 76 percent of likely young voters don't like him; just 22 percent do.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)(from an old boomer who wants your involvement).
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)LisaM
(27,801 posts)Heck, there are old idiots who won't walk back their 2000 Nader vote.
Let's keep this positive about millennials! We want them to stick around for 2018.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts).... is going to move the needle on Millennial or anyone else's voting patterns one iota - if any Stein voters on DU you haven't figured out by now that a vote for Stein (a totally unqualified candidate by the way) is at least a half vote for Trump, they are beyond saving.
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)Hillary has done a lot in the last couple of months to make me feel better about voting for her. Her debate performances were top-notch and have even turned me into becoming a halfway enthusiastic Clinton supporter.
She is infinitely better qualified to lead our nation than the other candidates. I generally trust she'll do the right thing.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)By the way I recognize the metal in your Avatar image as the bronze star. Were you awarded that decoration?
And with a "V device" for valor in combat. I was an infantry platoon leader in Iraq in 2004. I saw more of than my share of combat duting the 13 months I was there and it has left a lasting mark on my life.
I lost 5 Soldiers under my command and approximately 46 people were killed by my platoon in combat during my time in Iraq.
I'm proud of the awards I received from my time in Iraq, but at the same time I'm terribly disturbed by them too. I think they say a lot about my character - I can do anything and face any hardship thrown at me. However, people were killed and incredible pain was inflicted on people and their families as a result of my actions. The people I fought against were doing what they believed was the best thing for their communities and their fellow people. I might disagree with the people I fought against, but I respect them and what they believed they were fighting for.
I'm getting way off of course here, but the guys at the bottom (like myself and the people on the other end of my rifle) were killing each other because they believed they were doing the right thing. The people at the top of the power chain on both sides are at fault for perpetrating war on the masses taking advantage of the desire of the people on the bottom to do good for their families and communities.
I could easily write a book about this, but the war and combat has been a very humanizing experience for me. It has made me a much kinder and more understanding person. I would gladly shake hands and have my children play with the children of the very people who were trying to kill me years ago. I respect what they fought for. I believe we both were fighting to make the world a better place.
Since the war, I honestly believe I owe it to humanity and the people who were killed in Iraq to devote my life to making the world a better place. I'm absolutely sorry for the Soldiers I lost in Iraq. However,
The war in Iraq and Mrs. Clintons support for that war at the are my biggest hang ups with supporting her. After seeing her in the debates over the last month or so, I believe she really is a good person. I'm sure I'll be happy with another Clinton Presidency.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)As a former Air Force (Vietnam era) I thank you for your service and for your sacrifice. Those who have truly known the horrors of war are the least likely to want this country to participate in another one. However, we also know that our military and our willingness to use it when absolutely necessary provides us our best chance for peace.
I too thought that at the time the war my country was engaged in was a righteous one, but what I saw then and learned later convinced me that it was stupid decision to get involved.
What none of us as Americans can forget is those in our military services who agreed to put their lives on the line are not to be looked down upon. They don't make the decisions which put them in harms way. If American's don't like the uses that our military is put to, they need to blame the person looking back at them in their mirror for not doing everything necessary to elect the right political leaders.
However, we also have to remember that all of us are guilty of making mistakes by doing something we thought was right at the time which later proved to be disastrously wrong, especially when we couldn't control events after we made that fateful decision.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)homegirl
(1,428 posts)and blesings upon you and yours, forever.
mountain grammy
(26,618 posts)I know several combat vets, my husband included (Vietnam) who feel the same. Proud of their service, as they should be, but still disturbed by the devastating effects of war. It is a life changing experience.
vi5
(13,305 posts)...I was always more of a Clinton skeptic or doubter. And I still say that if it were any candidate other than Trump she'd be getting destroyed right now.
But she's done nothing at all but make me happy I'm in the camp of voting for whoever the Dem nominee is.
Like you, my feeling is that generally speaking I don't think she's going to do anything that will be bad for the country and will probably end up doing quite a bit of good.
Wounded Bear
(58,645 posts)I strongly disagree that Clinton would be 'getting destroyed' by anyone else. She's run a masterful campaign in general.
The truth is that, with Obama's approval number so high, any Repub would have had an uphill climb and I'm fairly convinced that the rabid Trumplodytes would not be reliable Repub supporters anyway. A moderate like Kasich or Bush III might be closer, but I don't think they'd be leading at this stage.
vi5
(13,305 posts)..she would be getting destroyed is not a statement on her or her campaign. It's that she's fighting an uphill battle against 20 plus years of media hammering.
Trump is literally one of the worst human beings in America and he's within 10 points of her (estimating based on poll aggregation). Factor in the Johnson voters and the people who just aren't going to vote because they dislike both of them equally.... I just think it wouldn't be good. Again, not because of her but because our media is horrible.
Orrex
(63,200 posts)I can't help thinking that Clinton is benefiting in part from the millennial energy that he cranked up, and to his considerable credit he has been unambiguous in expressing the horror of a Trump presidency.
Kudos also to Clinton for successfully connecting with Millennials, especially considering how the media have told us for months that she's incapable of connecting with Millennials.
And props to the Millennials themselves who are stepping up to do the right thing in helping to defeat Trump!
Sanders definitely played a huge part in getting them involved. Looks like they stayed involved, which he also can take some credit for. He still had concrete plans, which will dovetail nicely with Hillary's in the next few years.
geardaddy
(24,926 posts)JudyM
(29,225 posts)forward with fingers crossed.
geardaddy
(24,926 posts)His part in bringing many millennials in was huge. And he has continued to engage them on behalf of Hillary which shows that his support isn't an empty gesture. I know many people who were Bernie folks who now are wholeheartedly backing our Democratic nominee. Then there are the idiots I know who say they wouldn't cross the street to say hello to Bernie now because he's a sellout.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Was not too keen on him this summer but he proved me wrong and has been a real trooper for the cause.
He has cemented his popularity with me and the party.
Orrex
(63,200 posts)A not-small part of me was afraid that he'd yank the tent pole and crash the whole thing, but that just shows the limit of my vision.
Sanders has been graceful and strong both during his campaign and after, and any Democrat who resents him for his attempt at the nomination is no real Democrat.
mountain grammy
(26,618 posts)and certainly made our platform one of the most progressive in my memory. Go Dems!
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)and how horrible Trump is on that issue for them.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)but Trump is an outright fucking madman.
JudyM
(29,225 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 27, 2016, 11:36 PM - Edit history (1)
environment alone (vis a vis tRump), it's worth voting for her. Hoping this clip picks up a lot of still undecided old Berners.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017408245#post1
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)As someone who's a mulatto, LGBT veteran? This man would do a number on my life bad enough that it'd be worth going into debt to expatriate.
To be fair, the vast majority of my Democratic votes until the day they incinerate me and stick me in an urn is likely going to be "voting against the other guy" if this whole cleaving to the center crap stays the norm, assuming the party structures aren't changed to actually give third parties a chance.
JudyM
(29,225 posts)she corrals more voters. Hoping today's Comey news blows over fast.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Ditto Ajit Pai. That wankstain's been standing in the way of tech innovation where the internet's concerned for almost as long as I can remember.
GeorgeGist
(25,319 posts)less than half intend to vote.
Maru Kitteh
(28,339 posts)And I do believe they will turn out!
Generic Brad
(14,274 posts)They are idealistic and gravitate that which they believe is good. They desire to be a positive force in this world. I really want to help them get what they are seeking. This just validates for me that this party is currently on the right track.