2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI once thought I HATED Hillary; NOW I am fucking ENTHUSIASTIC about voting for her
Hey. Fuck these assholes that think that Hillary voters are not enthusiastic about heading out to the polls. I dont give a fuck if there is a goddamn blizzard on election day; I'll be taking my black ass to the polls even if I have to wear snowpants and a parka, and build myself a fucking igloo in the damn parking lot. I want to prove those smug ass shitheads that go around acting like they know what people like me think completely wrong. I might be more enthusiastic than I was in 2012.
I thought I hated Hillary.-
Apparently I just have policy differences with her that I hyperbolically described as hate. Now I know that I was a dumbass mf that got bamboozled by the absolute hate the media has for Hillary.
apcalc
(4,463 posts)Let's go get 'em!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)on the right side of principles, morality, virtue, equality, equality, equality, apple pie, and all that's good in the world. At least as defined by this election.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)An outpost for real americans to prepare for the dawning of a new day!!! I am irritated.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)we'd be on our way to the stars this decade. Fort Fuck You had better be expandable--I want to join you there right now.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I wish we could bottle it too. We'd be marching to the polls in formation, laughing loudly at the MAGA hats.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Alphabet Soup Party marching together long enough to vote, though, because we're doing just that. 90% for H, and 90% of us wouldn't normally agree on taking shelter from lightning.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to crawl or be carried through a blizzard to the polls? Explosive enthusiasm and sober prudence might just intersect before then.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)No, seriously, it is icy, I better get it done this week.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,012 posts)few people take the opportunity ("But...something might come up before Election Day!" they will decide it's not worth the extra time and expense.
Go for it! You can always build your igloo later!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The igloo can wait, I will take care of biddness real soon.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)No blizzards, no igloos, no parkas (I think) - what are "snowpants"?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)When I live South I miss the snow. Up here I miss the smell of warm sand. Me and my mom are thinking of buying a house out on Kern County Cali and keeping our fourplex out here so we can go back and forth when she retires and I go for my masters. I miss it. But I cant stay away from here either.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Winters in Tulsa, OK gave me so many auto claims against me, I'm uninsurable north of I-20!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I also have had my share of small fender benders. Gotta keep sr22 for another year,
mountain grammy
(26,614 posts)In fact, it's damn right fucking on!
I never really hated Hillary, but had enough differences to actually say the words "I'll never vote for Hillary Clinton." You'd think, being exactly Hillary's age, I'd know better, but I'm a true blue liberal and don't talk to me about a conservative Democrat...hell, at one point I even convinced myself Obama wasn't much more than a moderate Republican. I hang my head in shame in the face of the true evil of the American Republican party and the American people who will vote for Trump. My mother always said, know your enemies. I forgot that for a moment and never will again.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)But damn damn damn these repubs are EVIL. Makes me feel bad at how pissed I was at other dems.
calimary
(81,198 posts)We are a No-Trump-Allowed household here at casa de calimary.
Love you, brave!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)SOUTHERNYANKEE75
(26 posts)Why isn't there MORE enthusiasm for her??? When I talk to people who are voting for her in person they seem "luke warm". These Trumpsters are hardcore and overly enthusiastic...
apcalc
(4,463 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I had a loud argument with a Trump voter for absolutely no reason at all. I said to the folks in the room, 'did you see the third debate?', and he immediately started yelling at me about,'I HOPE YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR THAT B HILLARY!!' He was AGGRESSIVE. But so am I. I cussed his ass the fuck out for trying to intimidate me on my voting hbits and tokd him aint no soft handed billionaire got not call to call us blacks lazy when he aint never dug a ditch or scrubbed a mf floor. He ended up agreeing with me and leaving, tail between legs. But everybody aint like me. Most just move on and quietly vote. I am bodacious.
I'm glad you handed him his ass.
I'm so TIRED of hearing about the "angry white vote" that Trump has "tapped into." We've heard about nothing else for the last year. The media has an obsession with it. They don't want to call it racist (even though it is), they don't want to call it sexist (even though it is).
They want to pretend it's all about "economic anxiety," and they go on and on about how energized and enthusiastic his base are. Meanwhile, they never interview or spotlight any Hillary supporters, no women, no people of color. But every time there's some idiot with a MAGA hat and a shirt that says Hillary for Prison, they make a beeline for the person. FUCK THAT. I'd say there's more than enough anger and enthusiasm on our side, but the media don't want to cover it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I'm pissed too but that doesnt makes on damn bit of difference ever. Only angry white men's anger matters.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)for you.
Cha
(297,123 posts)There's Millions who are enthusiastic.. I see it everyday on Hillary & Obama boards.
Hillary Clinton
✔ @HillaryClinton
Let's do this. #DebateNight
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Before the first debate!
http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/09/27/the-power-of-hillary-clintons-throwback-photos/?_r=0
Fla Dem
(23,643 posts)spooky3
(34,431 posts)PLENTY of enthusiasm on the part of many of us for a long time. The media just doesn't like to acknowledge it. Because we're not working class white males, ya know?
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Many of us have already voted...hey I really like Hillary Clinton and those I have seen are enthusiastic. Only racist alt-reich and woman haters would even consider voting for a person like Trump...he is beyond disgusting...thankfully my candidate is a good person and has worked her entire life to help people. The orange Cheeto helps himself to unwilling women...I actually love Hillary and supported her during the primary enthusiastically.
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)SOUTHERNYANKEE75
(26 posts)emulatorloo
(44,110 posts)to vote for Clinton and Dems. You would love their excitement and enthusiasm.
Fla Dem
(23,643 posts)Fire them up. Tell them what a great president she'll be. How she has worked endlessly for children and the less well off ever since she was Arkansas' First Lady, and in fact even before then. Here you go, just some info you might use to raise your friends and families awareness of HRC without the negative propaganda of the right wing.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/about/hillary/
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I don't understand it. When the primaries were over (which my candidate lost) I thought I would just pinch my nose and go vote for HRC, the lesser of two evils. As the general has gone along, I have become more enthusiastic. Part of it is the way that HRC is handling herself and explaining policy, and part of it is how overall f'ing disgusting tRump and his minions are. And, no matter what these pigs have thrown at her, she has shook it off like it was nothing. She has really earned my respect. That might not mean a lot, but if she has earned the respect of this doubter, I am sure she has earned the respect of a lot of them.
PS- I voted on Monday. There was no nose holding. When I was finished I thought "take that, MFer". That was aimed at tRump, of course
calimary
(81,198 posts)That's actually what my husband and I smirk to each other when we watch the Hillary rallies now. "...but, but, but, there's no enthusiasm..." Usually followed by one of us adding "My ASS!"
What I don't understand and what continues to confound me is how on earth there could possibly still be undecided voters. What on earth do you still need to see? What in blazes haven't you seen already that is MORE than enough to help you realize who's the best candidate and who's the worst? How in the hell can you still be undecided, by ANY stretch of the imagination?
As we sometimes say around my house - "what the fuckin' fuck-fuck?"
Cha
(297,123 posts)here.. I was known to not be very nice once upon a time regarding our esteemed Democratic Presidential candidate.
And, then she gave her concession speech and I started warming up.. and then she nominated Obama @ the DNC and I was in tears of happiness.. and Then he got her to be his SOS and I rooted for both of them and have been for 8 years. I think Hillary and Barack had a similar journey.. I mean President Obama and SOS Clinton.
I think a lot of people thought they didn't like her for one reason or another especially watching US m$m who makes a living on Hillary hate.. but then they got to know her in this election, she's been everywhere, and fell in love with who she is.
Not who the hatemongers push on us.
So you got bamboozled? You what Obama says.. Don't! lol
So is it all snowy up there, brave?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Climate change is fucked up.
I also cried during her concession speech. I had been so torn between the two that I COULD NOT CHOOSE. I did not vote in that primary because I felt torn between my womanness and my blackness since I felt that they were similar policy wise. We were making history regardless, so I left it up to my fellow democrats. That's my dirty secret. I sometimes sit out primaries...
This time though, I decuded to give allcandidates a chance and I supported Bernie, Then omalley, then hillary. I knew she'd win regardless, but once peopke started attacking her? I took it super personally and I still do. It would happen to any of us. We are women. I am tired of sexism and want to blow that shit up for good.
Yeah. Obama is right. Don't get bamboozled!!!! Be like me! Vote!
Cha
(297,123 posts)fortunate to have President Obama and now it's time for Madam President..
Somebody said Hillary should keep Michelle on as First Lady.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It would give me four years of good feels
Cha
(297,123 posts)funny!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Omg. Those nutters will have sooooo much to say about the National Enquirer stories on the Hillary Michelle secret marriage- Details Inside only $4.99 per issue!
GWC58
(2,678 posts)"First Lady's Rock?"👠💋
Raster
(20,998 posts)...and will always be thankful Senator Sanders threw his hat in the wring, however, just like Senator Sanders, to me the choice is crystal clear: Hillary Clinton is the probably the most qualified candidate for the Presidency in my lifetime (I will be 60 in December). After her acceptance speech, I did my own research and concluded that: (1) regurgitating the usual Hillary rumors and inuendos was dishonest and trite; and (2) I was completely blown away by her committment to women and children at a very early age and point in her career, long before such positions were fashionable.
There isn't a more investigated, researched AND SLANDERED person on the planet. Yes, she certainly has her faults... we all do. She also ENTHUSIASTICALLY has my vote.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Now I miss him. I mean, we argued over POLICY during the primaries. Those were the days...
Grey Lemercier
(1,429 posts)sarae
(3,284 posts)The media's done such a hatchet job on Hillary that it's hard for a lot of people to see past it, but I'm glad people have opened their minds to her. She enthusiastically has my vote, too.
Hav
(5,969 posts)So my journey has been similar.
Not being an American, getting to know her commitment to social issues from such an early age and keeping at it through the decades despite all the shit thrown at her was an eye-opener for me in this campaign.
Obama hit it perfectly with "Hillary is that woman in the arena."
Now, she's slapping Trump around, plays him like a fiddle and she will win on her own merits. But that the far right is getting so furious when she will win, is just the cherry on top.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It's too funny. It's like she's their mom and they are trash talking but now she's on her way home to lay out some whoopins
GWC58
(2,678 posts)in the 2008 Maryland primary, knowing she wasn't going to win the state. That didn't matter to me. I was still holding out hope, getting dimmer though, she'd be the nominee. Was I disappointed she didn't get it? Sure. Was I a PUMA? Hell no! I voted Obama 08 & 12.😋
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)And I voted for ALL Dems listed on the ballot! One race had a write in Dem running and I looked it up ahead of time to write them in. The only races I could not find the party affiliation for was two Mosquito Controller positions so I chose the woman for each one.
I got there about 10 minutes before the doors opened and there were 30-50 people ahead of me. By the time I voted there had to be at least 125-150 people behind me, maybe more.
Cha
(297,123 posts)Alex Rose
✔ @AlexRoseNews
This election: "nastys" vs. "deplorables". #Decision2016
5:54 AM - 27 Oct 2016
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NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)Lots of early voters at my polling location! My patio overlooks the parking lot and it's so packed that people are having to park in the adjacent field!
niyad
(113,239 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I hate the way our coursts are and the long ass sentences for small crimes. I rarely know who is who so I vote no on everybody. Maybe this year I'll inform myself.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)I said no to EVERY judge appointed by Rick Scott, lol.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Ligyron
(7,624 posts)There's not a lot left from around Chiles and Crist's time but anyone Rick "Batboy" Scott appointed got the nix.
We had a lot of amendments to vote on too. Weed was easy but that first one, the one that looked like it was FOR solar power but was really a give away to the power companies was dishonestly represented and that was a big NO for me.
Hope Murphy can pull out a win over Little Marco.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)And I did have one write in Democrat I had to fill out. I took my sample ballot with me with his name. Wanted to make sure NOT to vote for anyone from the party of Trump.
Mary Mac
(323 posts)Lets let the fbi guy unleash the fury in our souls to quote Laura Nyro gotv volunteer donate vote
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)tomorrow and canvass the day after that...election stuff until the end. We will beat the orange menace and then deal with Comey.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I play unofficial anti Trump ambassador around here. Try to make sure my neighbors know the crazy shit he does. A few were feeling him so I made sure to make them watch the debates. Lol, it worked!
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)We've already given her our two votes, and I only wish my two cats could vote for her too!
This weekend I'm helping to GOTV in Florida. Let's do this!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I encourage Trump voters to get to the polls on Nov 28. One of my Trump friends is now not viting this year. He was so excited until the groping. Now he wants to punch him in the face. Some guys like women, think we are people too and stuff.
mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)But I was not very enthusiastic. Now I am chomping at the bit to go and vote for the first woman prez...can't wait until Nov. 8 !!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I am damn sure ready to vote
Maru Kitteh
(28,333 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Panich52
(5,829 posts)you didn't imbibelet you see past the fabricated, exaggerated "scandals" push by RW about her f/ 20 yrs.
Even Trumplodyte on CNN this am brought up Whitewater.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I was like, lol, go away
bekkilyn
(454 posts)I had her pegged as a "best of two evils" type of candidate. Over time though, I have become more and more enthusiastic about voting for her, and the stronger the persecution against her gets, the stronger I feel about voting for her.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Jarqui
(10,122 posts)I've never been a big fan of Hillary's. Never. I'm a part of a broad number of people who do not trust her because of her fibs.
I did not agree with her handling of the emails. To me, that stunk to high heavens along with more fibs. I did not agree with Comey's original conclusion either.
But I can't stand Trump. Hillary is light years better than that pig in so many ways it's not worth documenting.
There's full disclosure but at least I've been consistent for a long time on those positions.
I think it helps me to say with emphasis and some objectivity that what happened to Hillary Clinton via that letter from the FBI yesterday was terribly wrong. The FBI Director has to be able to see the forest through the trees of protocol. Obviously, Comey can't. He needs to go.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)And she's still standing up for liberal policies that will help protect the poor, expand the middle class & make the rich pay a fairer share.
She'll help preserve and expand affordable health care. She'll help fix the problems that have become more apparent with the way the affordable care act is taking shape. I don't trust any republicans to do anything other than voting to scrap it, which will make things much worse. That's exactly what happened in the beginnings of social security and in the beginnings of civil rights legislation. Good policies always have to be strengthened and expanded.
Thank you for voting bravenak. Even if you have to set up an igloo in the parking lot.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I feel her now. She was right all along.
Lunabell
(6,078 posts)As a former Bernie supporter, I enthusiastically cast my early ballot for Hillar!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)William769
(55,144 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)lark
(23,090 posts)I was strictly pro-Bernie, but now am enthusiastically pro-Clinton. Will be voting today in FL. soon as I finish my breakfast. Sp excited to vot for the first woman president. Oh, and fuck Comey that Repug mouthpiece who puts politics over the law.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Comey needs to present himself and say something. I hope he retires tomorrow
lark
(23,090 posts)At least they need to release the real information that this doesn't involve anything sent by Clinton, he released broad innuendo instead of facts on purpose. Government needs to get in front of this and tell the truth, comey lied for political purposes. Actually, they probably shouldn't fire him now, just put out a press release that the information put out by Comey was wrong and politically motivated lies.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)...will be Nov 9.
OT - who are you rooting for in the World Series? I know you to be a baseball fan.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)I'm hoping for a Cubbie victory, but it isn't looking good tonight.
BigBoss26
(25 posts)I was an Obama guy, then a Bernie(or Warren) guy. I don't have the irrational hatred for Hillary that a lot of people seem to have but she's just a little too centrist and inauthentic for my taste. So I can't, in complete honesty, say that I voted for her enthusiastically.
BUT... she's a million times better than Donald Trump. The worst thing I could say about a Hillary presidency is that it has the potential to be underwhelming. The worst thing I can say about a Trump presidency is that it has the potential to be a nightmarish hellscape. So I happily and enthusiastically voted early against Donald Trump last week.
rury
(1,021 posts)was for President Obama in 2008 and 2012.
But it doesn't matter. An unenthusiastic vote counts just as much as enthusiastic one.
I'll be early voting for Hillary and down ballot Democrats tomorrow in Texas.
I hold Donald Trump and most Republikkkans in utter contempt.
Vote Blue!!
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)I was a Bernie backer, and I hope he, and US, hold her feet to the fire..,
mcar
(42,300 posts)niyad
(113,239 posts)as she LOUDLY told me she had just dropped off her mail-in ballot for HRC.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)niyad
(113,239 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)I was so critical of her in the primary. Then I gradually came around but something happened to me after that first debate. I realized this amazing woman is exactly who we need as our president. I was so proud of her - she showed all women exactly how to handle a narcissistic asshole with hate in his heart. Much respect from me from that point forward.
sheshe2
(83,728 posts)Have fun voting bravenak, I did!
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)for the most qualified candidate for President of the United States that I EVER had the honor of casting a ballot
So take that Haters!
I was excited about the first woman thing too! Like I was excited about voting for the first black president in 2008. We are DRAGGING this country into the future, kicking and screaming!
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)that differs from mine. The more people actually hear her, the more they jump on board. The MSM has done Hillary and this country a huge disservice with their constant negative spin. Fortunately she just keeps digging in and getting the job done.
She is going to be an amazing POTUS.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)wolfie001
(2,225 posts)She doesn't sit around baking cookies all the time. That was back in 1992. She's a very hard worker that has ALL Americans on her mind! Even the dummies (repukes). Go Hillary!!!!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Generic Brad
(14,274 posts)The manufactured hits her reputation have taken for more than 20 years are a direct result of her efforts to do the right thing on behalf of all of us.
I am glad you have gotten past the hype. She will have our backs. Now it is time for us to do our part to get her there.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Even before Bill got elected, she really rattled them and you could see them laying the groundwork of trying to shatter Bill's everyman populism by saying he married a shrew essentially. The "baking cookies" and "stand by your man" comments really riled them up.
Hence why even usually sane Democrats buy into false equivalency.
LeftInTX
(25,224 posts)Hillary's was her experience
Bernie's was his economic message
So, it could go either way. I was glad that my vote for Bernie counted. I'm glad that he shifted Hillary a bit to the left.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)I got my absentee ballot yesterday and will mail it back tomorrow. I can't write due to a stroke, so I'm just waiting for some help. I'm anxious to get it done.
oasis
(49,370 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)But come Nov 9th, I will happily join you in a GRAVE DANCE on the GOP.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We need a fistbump emoji
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)who says the grave dance is unseemly. I will have plenty of time to get serious later in the year, but this is no time for courtesy with the other team..I fully intend to be loud, and yes, that does include rubbing the face of Trump supporters in the excrement they have piled on here for the better part of two years! Concern Trolls, Manners Trolls, do not even come out till Christmas!
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)Unfortunately I live in a stupidly red state but who knows -- it may swing, and I am definitely voting.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)She is up in polls here!!!! It's probably a fluke since it's hard to poll here but, It makes me feel like anything is possible.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)I am excited to be a part of these historic times where I can vote in the first black president and the first woman president. What is not to be excited about?
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,884 posts)sofa king
(10,857 posts)I think a mark of true character is the ability to examine one's own opinions and change them when presented with new evidence and circumstances.
I'm happy to know you're in this world!
JoFerret
(10,704 posts)It took a while for some to know that Hillary is not only brilliant but the most effective and capable progressive (and decent) candidate EVER.
We are in for some great surprises come 2017- IF we can get her a House and Senate.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Her picks will be a bit to the left of Obamas and thats fine with me. I think we might be able to get the house in midterms of the gop over plays its hand
Shemp Howard
(889 posts)When someone throws in profanity, it's like using magic. It mesmerizes me, and puts me right in line with the poster's thinking.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)It's true. Fucking look it up.
WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)BootinUp
(47,139 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)I hear a lot of folks say that she has redeemed herself since then. Would you agree?