2016 Postmortem
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by Allen Clifton at Forward Progressiveshttp://www.forwardprogressives.com/proof-donald-trump-most-dishonest-presidential-candidate-ever/
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What Ill do is take the six rankings Politifact uses (True/Mostly True/Half True/Mostly False/False/Pants on Fire) and combine them into two categories: Honest and Dishonest.
For honest I combine True/Mostly True into one number, then I do the same thing for dishonest by combining Mostly False/False/Pants on Fire. I discard Half True considering many of those statements are subjective and could go either way. I also list the Pants on Fire lies considering those are the statements that dont contain a shred of truth to them, making them much more significant.
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Now, lets compare Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.
Hillary Clinton: Honest with 146 out 0f 290 comments: 50%
Dishonest with 76 out of 290 comments: 26%
Pants on Fire with 7 out of 290 comments: 2%
Donald Trump: Honest with 59 out of 322: 15%
Dishonest with 226 out of 322: 70%
Pants on Fire with 56 out of 322: 17% Not only are
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teach1st
(5,935 posts)The Trump supporters I engage with on Facebook are convinced that Politifact and Snopes are in the Clinton camp (they don't say it so nicely).
pat_k
(9,313 posts)He's a psychopathic narcissist.
Lying and "distorting reality" is a hallmark.
He's a textbook example. He breaks "every rule in the book" in pursuit of his own ends. He lies and distorts reality to rationalize and justify his wrongful conduct. To puff up his over-inflated ego he stereotypes and denigrates those he sees as "out-groups." His callous disregard for others and sense of entitlement appears to know no bounds. He weaves grandiose tales of his fearsome power, omnipotence, and unequaled brilliance. He is proudly abrasive and offensive. He clearly enjoys humiliating and embarrassing others, but reacts to any perceived slight to his own person, appearance, or accomplishments aggressively and vindictively.
I'm sure there have been U.S. presidential candidates, and presidents, who could be diagnosed with a personality disorder of some sort, but I can't think any of who exhibited this level of psychopathy. I can't think of any who met as many diagnostic criteria for Anti-Social Personality Disorder, or who met as many criteria Narcissistic Personality Disorder (and he meets the criteria for both).
applegrove
(118,622 posts)making honest people of the GOP base. There GOP are the ones who have tended the garden of racism for generations. They were the ones who would not let the first aa president enjoy any success, lest people forge a connection with a black man and ruin their southern strategy. Trump is just an opportunist who used what the GOP had created. And now he is being led by Bannon and the alt right. He's not a psychopath. He is a narcissist. He's a bully. He's surrounded himself with psychopaths.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)The "Psychopathy Checklist" is highly correlated with the criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder and Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Scoring is based on a structured interview, but, given the degree to which Trump meets the criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder and Narcissistic Personality Disorder, I have no doubt that Trump's psychopathy score is very high.
Regarding Personality Disorders in general
1) Distorted thinking patterns,
2) Problematic emotional responses,
3) Over- or under-regulated impulse control, and
4) Interpersonal difficulties.
These four core features are common to all personality disorders.
I think it is pretty clear that Trump exhibits these defining features.
{Lengthy discussion that proceeds diagnostic criteria omitted}
There are four diagnostic criterion, of which Criterion A has seven sub-features
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A. Disregard for and violation of others rights since age 15, as indicated by three of the seven sub features:
1. Failure to obey laws and norms by engaging in behavior which results in criminal arrest, or would warrant criminal arrest
2. Lying, deception, and manipulation, for profit tor self-amusement,
3. Impulsive behavior
4. Irritability and aggression, assaults others, or engages in fighting
5. Blatantly disregards safety of self and others,
6. A pattern of irresponsibility and
7. Lack of remorse for actions (American Psychiatric Association, 2013)
The other diagnostic Criterion are:
B. The person is at least age 18,
C. Conduct disorder was present by history before age 15
D. and the antisocial behavior does not occur in the context of schizophrenia or bipolar disorder (American Psychiatric Association, 2013)
Trump meets A. He shows "Disregard for and violation of the rights of others." He exhibits at least four of the seven "sub-features."
Specifically 1 (sexual assault clearly warrants arrest), 2, 3, and 7 (I don't think there would be any argument on these three). Arguably he exhibits some of the remaining features. For example, he probably meets 3. He is clearly "irritable and aggressive," but I don't know of any reports of physical assaults in adulthood.
He only needs three of the sub-features to meet the criteria for A "Disregard for and violation of the rights of others"
He is certainly over 18, and from descriptions of him as a kid in "Frontline: The Choice 2016," he exhibited the same characteristics (plus physical aggression) from a young age.
And, as you say, he is a narcissist. (Or more technically, suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.)
The definition of NPD states that it is comprised of a persistent manner of grandiosity, a continuous desire for admiration, along with a lack of empathy. It starts by early adulthood and occurs in a range of situations, as signified by the existence of any 5 of the next 9 standards (American Psychiatric Association, 2013):
-- A grandiose logic of self-importance
-- A fixation with fantasies of infinite success, control, brilliance, beauty, or idyllic love
-- A credence that he or she is extraordinary and exceptional and can only be understood by, or should connect with, other extraordinary or important people or institutions
-- A desire for unwarranted admiration
-- sense of entitlement
-- Interpersonally oppressive behavior
-- No form of empathy
-- Resentment of others or a conviction that others are resentful of him or her
-- A display of egotistical and conceited behaviors or attitudes
On this one I'd say he's nine for nine (and only needs five for diagnosis).