2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCan anyone blame Hillary for a touch of paranoia and secrecy, given the FBI witch hunt?
The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy has its tentacles in every institution, whether it be media, religion, politics, judicial, or law enforcement.
The NYC FBI--aspiring to be future henchmen of Rudey Ghouliani and his network of political saboteurs--are fanatically supportive of a candidate who is (1) has extensive ties to organized crime on multiple continents; (2) a tool of hostile foreign power; (3) a serial sexual predator; (4) a shameless and flagrant fraudster.
riversedge
(70,087 posts)FBI and Rudy-something that indicated they were close. But he was talking fast and I did not follow him.
JHan
(10,173 posts)Fk 'em all
mcar
(42,278 posts)The media should be ashamed for not giving it context. I am in awe of how she rises up!
napi21
(45,806 posts)I've been through more legal proceedings regarding the Clintons than I have watching Judge Judy daily! The funny thing is, THEY NEVER FIND ANYTHING! For sure I'd be paranoid, cautious of every word out of my mouth and as secretive as possible! How the hell an anybody fault her? I desperately hope she will have many "pay back is a bi*ch" events over the next four years!!!!
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)to not offer a single shred of defense on the private server decision was a total idiot. Just say "mistake" and carry on? What a gift to the right. Meanwhile it completely festered and the republicans filled the void. When it first came to light she had some excellent defense and then suddenly stopped. Many of us here have talked about all the valid defenses. And, the newest Comey deal, however flimsy and tangential, is hurting her big time. Heard 49% of NH voters said it mattered ! That's amazingly horrible. And why, you would keep Huma on the staff after Weiner's issues was an amazingly bad idea. Huma is radioactive.
If she loses, this will be half the reason.
The other half - no clear vision. Own Obama's progress from the depths of financial disaster, embrace it....Brag about it !!! ....then add and tick off what else needed to be done. And add some new and exciting ventures/goals.
I do hope with all my being she pulls it out. But, it will be on a wing and prayer.
yardwork
(61,539 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)yardwork
(61,539 posts)Watch her speech at the DNC on YouTube.
Hillary's vision is essentially a Green New Deal. She proposes creating hundreds of thousands of jobs in clean technology and energy.
Lots of other policies too - she's going to need Congress to pass these bills.
radius777
(3,635 posts)We live in a soundbite age, and she needed to have them in soundbite form, and keep hammering on them, the way Trump and Bernie did with their points.
She also needed to keep feeding the media scandals about Trump, to give them something to drive their ratings. That is how the game is played. In order to win in this day and age, you have to give the media stories they want to cover, in addition to the substance.
yardwork
(61,539 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)are terrible.
If sharp/smart people (such as Carville/Begala or Axelrod/Plouffe in previous Dem campaigns) were running it she'd be 15 points ahead easily.
She's ahead mainly because of the debates, as she's an excellent debater and her abilities and experience really shine through in that format, especially in contrast to a moron like Trump.
After the conventions Team H should've spent every waking moment barraging Trump, he has loads of stuff out there on him they never even touched, and he's someone who can't resist taking the bait.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)and her not defending herself pm server or embracing Obama EVERYDAY...drive it home how much progress has been made ! Instead, the voids been filled with "the country is going to hell in a handbasket".
Plouffe ! Seems extremely sharp and savvy.
JHan
(10,173 posts)But she has apologized and explained it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
The Comey letter should never have been sensationalised the way it has been - if NH voters are that stupid, the fault doesn't lie with hillary but with them. That was a nothing letter, it told us nothing, and we've been swamped with suspect leaks we don't know to be true. The electorate also has to exercise some diligence.
I've been following HRC all year. As a millennial, I knew I would vote for a Dem because the GOP is a hot mess. She has given interesting speeches, speeches pregnant with ideas, speeches that reflect an awareness of the challenges that confront us and also a high degree of self awareness. Hillary's problem is that her message cannot be easily condensed- she doesn't do well with slogans. This has always been a flaw in her campaigns - she is seen as too complicated, too much of a policy wonk but I love that about her!
I'm also certain she will win and will pull through.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)about the emails, at first. I just picture some advisor/handler/consultant type telling her - stop - just say nothing.
NPR had a veteran IT manager on a month or two ago. He was very convincing. He said that the biggest mistake everyone is making is that they are looking at the emails/server through today's lens. (rampant hacking) The server was set up in 2009-2010 I believe. He said back then, most people just listened to their IT people and did what they said. IT supplied the systems and people just did their jobs.
All that said, I think she will make a very steady, intelligent, hard-working president. Given the GOP has already announced they will block her, she will be much like Obama - head down - keep on moving forward.
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Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)So true !
So true !
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Out of the 100 that turned out to have "current" classified info, none of those were actually marked with classified in the heading, right? These are all the ones with the little c ? Or, were passed to others who had sufficient clearance.
In addition, having the set up she had wasn't banned during her tenure, right?
Also, the fact that a group of lawyers decided what was personal and what wasn't. This is such a key factor in my mind. "Lawyers decided what was business related and what was personal not me. I had no use for old personal emails, so I asked that they be deleted. I don't think there is anyone out there that would want all of their personal mail made public - It's an invasion of privacy" This is so simple and something everyone can understand. Instead, every single day, we hear Trump saying that she deliberately deleted 30k emails so we wouldn't know what they were.
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radius777
(3,635 posts)people in the past few days, who were previously much more critical of Hillary/Clintons, who are freaked out about how treasonous the FBI/Comey's behavior has been, clear violation of the Hatch Act.
This is J.Edgar Hoover territory we're in, and many on the right and left have noted as such in the past few days.
Not to mention the WikiLeaks bullshit, which is only an attack on Dems - not Trump or GOP. Who's to say the hackers aren't being assissted by elements within the FBI or other gov't agency, and not just the Russians?
This is a very dangerous situation, not only for the election, but going forward; our system has been compromised and is being controlled by malicious operatives.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,603 posts)If it seems like someone's out to get you, they are.
http://www.ncisfanwiki.com/page/NCIS%3A+Gibbs'+Rules
Christ, she's been under attack for 30 years. Anybody would be a bit sensitive and secretive.