Nobody seems to discussing the possibility that the election was hacked

[ThoughtCriminal]

First, I will way that I think it is unlikely, but needs to be discussed and investigated.

Have polls in this country ever been this wrong in the modern era? Why this election in particular?

Were the polls inaccurate everywhere or only in battleground states?

What were the details regarding stories about planned Russian interference, not just the planted propaganda, but security breaches into state election computers?

To what extent can we trust our own intelligence agencies after the behavior of the FBI Director and pro-Trump activities within the Bureau?

I am quite mindful, that there are numerous explanations that do not involve hacking of tabulations (voter suppression, poor turnout, cultural changes that make polling less reliable...). And frankly all of these explanations may be more plausible, and certainly less terrifying. But now that we are back, lets talk about it.

[Siwsan]

1. I've been sharing that opinion since about 10pm, est., last Tuesday

Between that and voter suppression, our system is shattered. And with the cartel in charge, now, I'm not at all hopeful it will ever be repaired.

[kentuck]

2. I thought of which states would have Republican Governors?

Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin - Gov. Branstad, Gov. Walker, and Gov. Snyder, none of which I would trust as far as I could throw them.

[Amimnoch]

13. Actually look at North Carolina.

North Carolina is one of the few states with straight ticket voting.

Well known fact that states that have straight ticket voting, the overwhelming majority of voters use it.

This election, North Carolina went Democrat in everything BUT the POTUS vote.

Do the math there. I guess it's POSSIBLE that a straight ticket voting state actually had that many people vote all/mostly Democrat, then manually picked Trump.... but really.. something stinks in the state of N. Carolina... at the very least.

[mnhtnbb]

21. North Carolina does NOT have straight ticket voting. Used to, but Repubs eliminated it.

Also, Burr won the Senate.

The Repub won for Lt. Governor (even though the Dem, Cooper won Governor, although McCrory is challenging the results. No official recount, yet.)

Also, Repubs won Commissioner of Agriculture, Commissioner of Insurance, Commissioner of Labor, Superintendent of Public Instruction, and Treasurer.

Dems won Attorney General, Secretary of State, and Auditor.

[Amimnoch]

22. Ahh, thank you for the clarification.

just in time as well. I was about to argue with a conservative about this very thing, and he's the type that would have done his research and pointed out my inaccuracies.

[splat]

3. I've thought so all along

Is anyone looking into this?

I thought Anonymous had our back again. What happened?

(If somebody's gonna crack and spill the beans on this, it's probably Chris Christie, now thrown under the bus. But he may not know about it.)

[UCmeNdc]

4. I did, why did Trump pay so much to foreign data collection centers?

He paid millions to London Data centers. Plus with the DNC break in to steal voter data. Russian connection in London? Who Knows.

[kentuck]

5. Who was paid to hack DU's data?

Surely no one close to the Trump gang?

[BainsBane]

6. it's many states though

If it were just one or two. I think voter suppression did play a major role, however.

[Bear Creek]

7. Voting machines

Nothing was done about them. Everyone was complacent because Obama got into office. Funny how he never got enough democrat senators and representatives to get anything done. He's popular where was the coat tails? The court case on the machines had a gag order put on it by Bush.

[William769]

8. I believe it was surgicaly hacked in specific areas just to get enough of the EC.

[rainy]

9. This:

https://trofire.com/2016/11/15/math-increasingly-suggests-election-fraud-hillary-clinton-david-pakman-show/

[hamsterjill]

10. I agree.

There has been no discussion of it at all, when I think everyone knows it should be discussed.

What gives? I wanted the Dems to fight.

[rzemanfl]

11. I think this is why this site was hacked. n/t

[imaginary girl]

27. that was my thought, too. n/t

[Tursiops]

37. Mine too

When the numbers suddenly surged in Pa around midnight, it reminded me of Ohio 2004, and I returned to DU for the first time in years, only to find it had been hacked. I also find it odd that there were no voting problems reported that I am aware of.

[imaginary girl]

41. Durham County, NC

I know someone posted about problems in Durham County, NC early in the day, but then I had to be disconnected during the day. Thought I'd catch up later via DU.

[Richard D]

57. That was my very first thought

As well

[yuiyoshida]

12. Trump has all but admitted he had help from Russia

it wouldn't surprise me if Russia had a hand in it..

[Fast Walker 52]

50. I would bet good money they did help

there were in fact warnings from the FBI about foreign hacking of election boards before the election too.

[LonePirate]

14. Agreed. This possibility no matter how remote needs to be investigated.

I would start with every state the Racist-in-Chief visited during the final two weeks, with special emphasis on FL, MI, NC, OH, PA and WI. I would find small samples and count the number of voter signatures in log books and compare those numbers to the number of actual votes received. I would also have an independent security group closely review a sample of county and state election systems/networks/databases to see if intrusion is possible.

Chances are very little cause for concern will be uncovered but we cannot be too careful here.

[Ken Burch]

15. I've thought it from the moment DU was hacked.

Things that are immediately suspicious:

1) REDUCED turnout from 2012.

2)Trump supposedlt doing BETTER than Obama among Latinos and possibly among AA voters.

3)Trump carrying white women.

None of that tracks with what we were expecting.

[Yonnie3]

17. I'm not so sure about the low turnout.

I saw those stories, but newer ones say that the estimates of turnout were wrong and it looks like it will be similar to 2012.

one story is at http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-voter-turnout-wasnt-way-down-from-2012/

I also saw one at the Washington Post.

[crazylikafox]

20. My thoughts exactly

As soon as I saw Putin's face on that hack video my heart sank.

They shut us down for a reason. If DU had been available, there would have been eyes immediately on every area with suspicious results. There are always people here on DU sounding the alarm, and picking apart anything unexpected.

I don't know if the election was hacked or not, but they sure as hell were up to something when communication went dark for the activist democratic base.

[Dakotacrat]

36. THIS.

Yes. My thoughts as well. After DU went dark is when I began to suspect that the fix was in. It also solidified in my own mind just how valuable DU's community and resources are to me, and how dangerous the Dem Underground must be to the deplorables, their masters and minions.

[splat]

16. Maybe it is being investigated. It would be announced as charges and arrests

I don't think there is a precedent for what would follow.

in swing states, Trump vote would have been adjusted upwards in red precincts, Hillary votes downward in Dem districts.

[Mc Mike]

18. The Urosevich brothers would never do something underhanded to help the repugs.

26% of Hispanics love dRumpfenfuhrer.

53% of White Women love the greenpoint goochy grabber.

etc.

[mnhtnbb]

19. The possibility of hacking occurred to me because of strange results here in NC

We were a very closely watched state, not only for POTUS, but also for the Senate and Governor race.


Here are the vote totals

Trump 2,339,985
Clinton 2,162,962

Others 186,205

Total 4,689,152


Clinton lost by 177,023 (less than the number of total votes for others)


Senate

Burr 2,371,679
Ross 2,103,510

Other 165,180

Total 4,640,369


There are 48,783 FEWER votes cast in the Senate Race which was hard fought and close.


Governor


Cooper 2,282,052
McCrory 2,277,070

Other 101,068

Total 4,660,190

There are 28,962 FEWER votes cast in the Governor race than for POTUS which was really contentious and nasty.
McCrory is disputing the loss (Cooper is only leading by 4,982 votes) and we may be tied up in legal battles for some time. There has
yet to be a request for an official recount.


OK, here's the kicker. The really weird one, in my opinion.

We had a challenge to a NC Supreme Court judge position. The incumbent, Edmunds, ran lots and lots of commercials telling everyone what
a swell guy he was. Tough on porn and rapists. Tough on hardened criminals. Undoubtedly he was funded by out of state money. He
was one of the guys on the NC Supremes who supported gerrymandering. The race was known to be a serious challenge to Republican
control of the NC Supreme Court (and the Legislature is now talking about packing the court.)

Here are these votes

NC Supreme Court Judge

Morgan 2,134,821
Edmunds 1,786,011

Total 3,920,832

There are 768,320 FEWER votes cast in this one judge race than for POTUS. Is it really possible that so few Republicans didn't vote down ticket when this guy was
running ads like crazy?

Morgan, the unidentified Dem (they didn't allow Dem/Repub identification on the ballot) who had no money for ads (I think I saw one the day before the election)
wins by 348,810 votes over the guy who was running ads constantly! WTF?


And, in fact, Morgan gets only 28,141 fewer votes than Hillary, while the Republican--who was running ads all over TV for a month-- gets 553,974 votes less than Trump!

WTF?

You expect to see fewer total votes down ballot (straight ticket voting was eliminated by the Republicans) just because it takes time. I wouldn't expect to see such a disparity
in the Republican totals, though, when there is much less disparity among the Dems. It really makes me wonder if votes were shifted from Dems to Repubs in the top three
races for POTUS, Senate, and Governor--and they made their margin of error too close in the Governor's race!


When the early returns were coming in, Hillary was ahead of Trump by about 150,000 votes from the early voting period here in NC. That's a tough lead to lose based on lots of small
counties voting Republican--which they usually do--but the lines were long on election day here, too.

[ailsagirl]

23. The whole thing reeks to high heaven

[Lucinda]

24. I read something in passing about the 2000 election between Mike Rogers and Dianne Byrum

Rogers is part of Trump's intelligence transition team and was a former congressman, recently radio show host. Not only is there some shadiness about Rogers and his wife in connection with Benghazi, and why he left office suddenly, but when Rogers won in 2000, one article I read said that there was an unusual turnout in rural areas that was said to have tipped the election his way. Shades of what happened with Trump. The race was close and there was a recount, but it seems shady, and has interesting parallels to Trump and places where out Senate candidate won, but Hillary lost the state...

I didn't save the article but wish I did. Nothing else I've seen since then made that connection.

[tarheelsunc]

25. I always wondered about Trump screaming "it's rigged"...

It seemed a lot like a trap. He baited Democrats into loudly proclaiming that our elections are always fair and the outcomes are always correct. Now, how can we have any credibility if we say "it's rigged" after we so ardently defended the system? Maybe he knew there would be some rigging?

[Pacifist Patriot]

54. He's also notorious for projection.

It's another one of his psychological tells. The minute he started screaming it I began to wonder.

[Gin]

26. DT told us..."it's rigged folks "

Russian involvement was blatant ....glad it's being discussed and looked into.

[ecstatic]

29. Unfortunately, it's not being discussed or looked into.

Everyone in the White House and the media are bending over to normalize Trump. SMH

[Catherine Vincent]

32. I totally agree

They are kissing his ass big time and I don't know why.

[ecstatic]

33. 1. To set an example to the world (but the world is laughing)

Our electoral college is a joke, and the vote was most likely stolen. We have no way to verify what occurred. So much for democracy!

2. President Obama knows Trump is unstable and that he holds grudges. He has to be nice to him in a desperate attempt to prevent his legacy (and the country) from being destroyed.

[imaginary girl]

28. the moment we stole America back

May not be insidious, but the phrasing stood out to me, especially since he had predicted a Trump win despite the odds. And his attitude is so similar to the disruptors DU has been dealing with.


http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/the-moment-we-stole-america-back-gavin-mcinnes-gloats-over-donald-trump-win/news-story/06f7515afc54b43d969364f183c34891

[splat]

30. So how do we get it investigated? n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

31. Glad someone brought this up

Before the site came back up, an anonymous poster submitted the following. Anyone know which member it could be? I really thought it was a great response.

Response by anonymous
Folks, this was a con job. I am neither a conspiracy theory nut nor one of the crazies, I just know math and the math didn't lie.
Mitt Romney, of all people, alerted everyone to this. Do you remember when he called Pigman a fraud, a phony, a con man? He was right.
So look for the con. If you watched CNN on election night, they were the only ones to break down election results county by county, state by state. What I quickly saw was county by county, state by state, Hillary Clinton pretty much had Barak Obama's number if you gave her the percentages Johnson was pulling down.
My first thought was that the Dems that didn't like Hill voted for Johnson and gave away the election. Sounds plausible, right? A good con works that way. If you look closer you can quickly spot it.
Let's start with voter fraud. When Pigman was screaming about voter fraud, the Dems fell for it hook, line and sinker. They assured the country that voter fraud is rare and, even when it occurs, it has an insignificant impact. Score one for Pigman. So much for the Dems calling foul after the election.
Let's move on to transfer of power.
OMG, this was the most ridiculous segment of the con. I can't believe the Dems bit on this. Barak Obama is the President of the United States last time I looked. It was up to him to peacefully transfer power to Hillary, not up to Pigman. I can't believe the Dems didn't politely point this out to Pigman and then tell him to go fuck himself. No, they screamed foul and insisted that our way of government was all about the peaceful transfer of power. Even Hill herself talked about this. Which now means that they will look like sore losers and will get massacred if they try to stop this. Another point for Pigman. You have to admit, he's a Slick Willy.
So the pre-election scenario is that Pigman rigs the election and no one can call foul or try to stop him from taking control.
How did he rig the election? Again, let me iterate that I am not a conspiracy theorist nor a looney toon, I just know what I saw in the numbers. It's actually quite easy. Place a program in the computer that counts the vote so that every 1 vote out of 100 for Hillary Clinton goes to Johnson. Look at the numbers: add the percentage vote for Hillary Clinton to the percentage vote for Johnson and you get near or above Barak Obama's numbers from 2012. Do that and Hillary Clinton not only wins the popular vote but she wins the electoral college as well.
How hard is it to rig the computer? Probably not very. Can that program be detected? Probably yes while it's running. But who was looking for it on Election Day? My guess is that no one was. Can you go back and find it now and prove this? Maybe. Not sure because I don't know what the program actually said and if it had a fail safe mechanism. That sounds convenient but I'm guessing the folks involved in this didn't want to get caught.
So why do I think this happened beyond the actual numbers? Pigman told us himself. He reiterated that he would accept the election results only if he won. I thought this was a curious way of putting things. The "only if" wasn't right. That wasn't his usual braggadocio. It was as if he were saying that something went horribly wrong if he lost and he would have to look into it. He was that sure of winning.
Additionally, he kept telling everyone not to believe the polls, that he was winning. Folks, these polling people are not that bad at their jobs. Something was up.
I suspected he was going to rig the election about a week or so before Election Day. Once I saw the numbers, I knew it.
I also know who was behind helping him with this and, no, it was not Russia. Russia is another part of Pigman's con. Gets you looking in the wrong direction.
Mitt Romney was right - he's a con man. And, quite frankly, he's very good at it. But he didn't fool everyone. He didn't fool me.

[KT2000]

40. this is what I thought as well

that a patch switched a Hillary vote every so many cast. They probably used both trump and Johnson to receive the flipped votes.

[FrenchieCat]

46. Yep.....

Same thing I said....it was so odd that the Media got so offended when Trump said the election was rigged....
Considering that Bernie had said this before, and so had Trump in the Primaries....and the media didn't seem to care then....

And plus, although Trump had said many outrageous things at that debate....like he would blow someone out of the water
if they looked at our soldiers sideways (or something like that)....called for Hillary to be jailed, get a special prosecutor, etc....
yet the broadcast media focused on the rigged election comment and made a big deal out of it, like something fierce!
It was a 3 day story.....as they shoved every Dem into the camera to say our elections aren't rigged!
I was suspicious then! I was saying....of course sometimes elections have been rigged....lookit 2000 Florida and 2004 Ohio!

The media was complicit in many ways, this being one. Their higher ups decided that this would be the focus....
and that's what happened! But there was a purpose for it....

[Sunsky]

34. Thank you

The conman has always projected his shortcomings and bad behavior unto others. He cannot hold his tongue and always finds some way to say what is his mind. His claim that "the election is rigged" even before one vote had been cast, was a warning to us about the biggest election heist that he and Russia were about to perpetrate. This is my belief.

[Fast Walker 52]

39. yep-- projection all the way

fucking psychopath

[prayin4rain]

35. Agreed. nt

[Fast Walker 52]

38. Lots of people are, and I think we really have to take that seriously

here's something related:
http://tdmsresearch.com/2016/11/10/2016-presidential-election-table/

[Farmgirl1961]

42. I believe it was a con job

But there's just either not enough "hard" evidence or the valor to try to get at it.

[elehhhhna]

43. Alternerjust had an article about this

By an expert on exit polling . It didn't mantrap, and was forced balanced after the tallies came in, as they've been doing since 2000. Flame your asses off but he also mentions that the exit polls in the Democratic primary were skewed... Which is one way to explain why the Democrats haven't done a goddamn thing about electronic voting.

In some areas the internal audit software in the tabulators was actually turned off intentionally - whoops sorry no no no backup, no recount, get over it.

[elehhhhna]

44. Here -

http://www.alternet.org/something-stinks-when-exit-polls-and-official-counts-dont-match

[Dream Girl]

45. Yes. Russia did it with surgical precision. They were all in and have been on this for months

studying and plotting. They wanted Trump and were willing to do anything it took. It's called survival. They hacked DU too. I remember being laughed at on DU when I mentioned tat Russians were watching DU. We are part of the Democratic activist base. DU is pretty unique as you may have learned in the last week or so. Lot of passionate true believers. There would be value in keeping DUers from collaborating and sharing observations, thoughts just as something so hideous was taking place. It was hacked, from Russia with love...

[McCamy Taylor]

47. I think DU was hacked because the election was hacked.

I have been following elections since the 1960s and the polls are never this off. The folks hacking the vote wanted to make sure that no one was discussing the hack in real time. And now that the election has been hacked they are calling for an end to exit polls.

I am calling for an end to electronic voting.

[Fast Walker 52]

49. yes, I was thinking that too. I don't think that was a coincidence!

Grrrrrrrrrrrr.....

[DemonGoddess]

48. I think it likely that it was hacked

too many links to the hackers, including a Russian Ambassador saying they'd been in contact with Trumpler and his campaign throughout the election.

[vdogg]

51. It was hacked, but not in the way you think.

The Wikileaks's stuff did real and lasting damage. Couple that with Comey and we probably never had a real chance. The polls said we did, but a lot of Trump supporters were lying, which in hindsight shouldn't surprise. It would be extremely difficult to impossible to hack the actual election results though. The simplest explanation is that there really are just that many stupid people.

[Bobbie Jo]

52. It was absolutely hacked.

Investigations NOW.

[Pacifist Patriot]

53. Florida

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/12/politics/florida-election-hack/

Why this didn't get more of an uproar I will never understand.

Any more than I will understand why any self-respecting woman or minority could cast a vote for Trump.

Any more than I will understand why Florida returned a man to the Senate who has one of the worst attendance records and actually said he didn't want the job anymore.

[Island Blue]

55. I wonder the same thing.

It's not like they needed to hack all 50 states. Maybe just one or two swing states. I don't understand why the subject has not come up after the election, especially considering the speed at which Trump's bff Putin contacted him to offer his congratulations.

[Chalco]

56. Watch Greg Palast's movie on Amazon for 2.99

It was definitely hacked by Crosscheck which is funded by the Koch bros.