On The Electoral College Vote In December

[HAB911]

Hail Mary Edition

Can Hillary Clinton Still Win? Electoral College To Vote In December After Candidate Wins Popular Vote: http://www.ibtimes.com/can-hillary-clinton-still-win-electoral-college-vote-december-after-candidate-wins-2445319

What Is A Faithless Elector? Hillary Clinton Supporters Still Hope She Can Win Presidency: http://www.ibtimes.com/what-faithless-elector-hillary-clinton-supporters-still-hope-she-can-win-presidency-2445855?utm_source=internal&utm_campaign=incontent&utm_medium=related1

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[Skinner]

1. I don't support this.

First of all, it'll never work.

Second, if it did work, then the United States would cease being a country of laws. Once this can of worms gets opened, all bets are off. Theoretically it opens the door to electors supporting a candidate that didn't win the popular vote or the implied electoral college vote. It's an incredibly dangerous precedent that would make America less democratic rather than more.

[HAB911]

2. So do you think

the notion of this being a circuit breaker is not at all valid?

I don't know, just asking. I can't remember ever reading about the possibility before.

(I also think it's out of the realm of possibility)

[prayin4rain]

6. Faithless electors are acting within the bounds of the laws.

Not electing an unqualified person is one of Hamilton's stated purposes for having the electoral college instead of a direct democracy.

If it upset people that the electoral college functioned in the way it was intended, then we could amend the Constitution to vote in a direct fashion.

I don't think it will work either, but I don't understand the position that it would be contrary to the rule of law.

[duffyduff]

7. It isn't the electors I'd be concerned with. It is the stupid white dudes who voted for Trump.

These dudes wouldn't be above taking arms and killing people; they have been so utterly brainwashed by the 24/7 Trump media.

[prayin4rain]

8. Yeah, it would certainly cause some civil unrest. nt

[hatrack]

10. Better civil unrest now than civil war - or world war - later

.

[Skinner]

12. In some cases are are not acting within the law. But more importantly...

... they are acting well outside established norms. If the electors can just vote for whomever they heck they want then there's no point in having an election at all.

Yes, I know, the Founding Fathers. The last thing we want to do is go back and run presidential elections the way the founding fathers imagined it. Yeah, they were pretty successful setting up a country but they weren't perfect and their vision on how to choose a president is totally inconsistent with the how we do democracy in America today.

[prayin4rain]

13. Well, that's true, certain states have passed laws against it

Although, the Constitutionality of those laws is not clear.

To me, the election of a completely and totally unqualified celebrity shows the genius of the founding fathers system, which had been looking outdated prior to this election.

But, regardless, it certainly goes against modern norms and would cause significant unrest. Not just in the immediate aftermath, but for many future elections. I'm not sure if I think it's worth it or not, but I lean towards it being worth it.



On edit: I for sure think that the EC system should be reformed, regardless of anything else happening.

[Tiggeroshii]

17. The penalties in thse states are not severe enough to adequately deter

Somebody if they really wanted to anyways

[book_worm]

3. As much as I'd love the EC to vote for HRC I have a feeling the only faithless electors

will be those two idiots in Washington who will not vote for HRC and said so prior to the election.

[HAB911]

4. Just read this

Clinton would need more than 20 GOP electors to go rogue and vote instead for her — a mighty tall order.

Even then, the new, Republican-controlled Congress meets Jan. 6 to approve the electoral college vote, and would certainly vote to void any roguery, handing the victory firmly back to Trump.

last gasp.............

[Tiggeroshii]

18. If they void the results

Wouldn't they need a revote in order to elect Trump?

[HAB911]

19. Have not researched the multi-verse any of this would open up

there must be some rules for the aftermath........

[SickOfTheOnePct]

20. They wouldn't necessarily void all of the results

They could just reject the electoral votes they don't like.

[andym]

5. A state's electors are selected by the party that wins the state

The GOP electors are likely more than happy to have a chance to implement Paul Ryan's planned legislation.

[duffyduff]

9. Not all Republicans think the same way. If you think they are going to vote for Medicare abolition,

for example, you are living in fantasy land.

That would be literally the end of the GOP.

[hatrack]

11. They'd be happy to vote for it, Cuz Teh Poorz And Takers

And when things go to shit, they'll just blame liberals. Or gays. Or Wiccans. Or an eclipse.

[andym]

14. Not relevant re the electors

Electors are typically party loyalists. They will not vote against their party. The exception may be the two electors for Hillary Clinton in Washington. They will be happy to have the GOP in power, and while they may disagree with some specific legislation that has been proposed, by and large they support their party's program.

As for Paul Ryan changing Medicare into a voucher system, I would certainly think he may try. Remember that plan will only affect new Medicare members, not preexisting ones. They will just leave the name in place to fool the citizenry. But I agree of course not all GOP members will vote for that, but he still may get it passed in the House.

[astral]

15. If the tables were turned, would there be a petition?

Donald Trump was not too sure he was going to agree that this was a fair election until he saw how it was conducted. While this was held against him, the rules should be changes after the results BECAUSE he won?

If the voting system is wrong the petition would have been started before the results came in; and EVERYONE would have to accept that this is how we conduct an election now.

Was the electoral college set up for good reason, or not?

And, do we have to mandate that all votes get counted and turned in (I understand this is not the case at present), and, do we continue to accept and count votes from persons not legally registered to vote?

We would have to get rid of electronic voting machines since they are known to flip votes, but I didn't know votes got flipped in both directions until now.

[jmg257]

16. I'll pass - I don't like losing, but to try to change the rules EVERYONE KNEW afterwards

is a dick move.