Here is what bothers me about all the conversations about how we lost the election.

[scarletlib]

The reality is we did not lose the election. Hillary has the popular vote by over a million votes and rising. Democrats cast more votes for the Senate and the House of Representatives.
What we do have is an archaic system of representation designed at the beginning to give the States power to check the Federal Government and to protect those States that were smail in population.
If we had a modern democratic system the Democrats would be in charge of the government representing the will of the majority of the people.
What we have now is a Tyranny of the Minority.

I know we are stuck with it and the results. However, we did not lose. We need to keep that in mind as we go forward.

[Cary]

1. More of us should have voted.

I log on here and the first thing I see is a JPR mope ragging about FBI investigations.

[a kennedy]

6. I'm sorry to say, I joined JPR as a fix for my DU replacement.....Ugh....did not fit in there at all

Horrible attitude about HRC. I was almost embarrassed to be on the site. Needless to say soooooooooooo happy DU is back up. Whew. The hate was almost as bad as a pro tRump site would be. Very, very hateful to HRC.

[narnian60]

12. I joined, too.

Yuck.

[mnhtnbb]

18. You weren't alone.

I joined. Didn't belong there and didn't belong here.

Came back for the photography group late summer but pretty much stayed out of any political discussions.

Voted Hillary, would rather have been voting for Bernie. Terrified for the future of our country under Trump. Hello, fascism.

Feeling very afraid for the future of the country. Our representative system of government turns out to be not so representative. The Electoral College has to go.
Gerrymandering has to go. Giving every state two Senators regardless of population has to go.

I don't have the energy to fight much more. My husband has a progressive, degenerative neurological disease that eventually ends in death. If he's lucky, he might
have two or three more good years left before it gets awful. I would love to pick up and move to somewhere not surrounded by gun nuts, racists and bigots, but
my husband doesn't want to go and I can't blame him.

I am not very hopeful for the future. If we're lucky, we may only end up with a nasty recession under Trump and violence in the streets--or military police to keep the peace--
but I wouldn't be surprised to see him hurl nukes somewhere and start WW III. And if he manages to avoid that, he'll stop all progress on climate change and possibly
tip the world past the point of no return where in another 100 years the earth will be unlivable.

So, I don't see a very nice future in store for most of us or the world. I hope Trump is an epic failure and goes down as the worst--not just the last--President in our history.

[a kennedy]

21. I'm so sorry for your husband's health problems.....and like you need

to worry about "this", that is tRump, and all things orange.

[True_Blue]

19. JPR is an awful site

I joined Dailykos. I liked it ok, but I prefer DU's layout. At least they didn't hate Hillary there.

[mcar]

8. Some will just not see anything related to HRC clearly

They prefer to believe the GOP and media created caricature.

[Cary]

23. True, and to what end?

Power, I suppose. So what distinguishes them from that GOP and media?

[Coyotl]

15. How many millions were suppressed? More of us should have been allowed to vote!

You are being divisive instead of attacking those who blocked voters.

Republican voter suppression may have swung a Presidential election should be a headline in every paper.

[Cary]

24. "You are being divisive."

It's all my fault. Everything is my fault.

That's going to work, right? Because so many people care about me, personally.

Makes a lot of sense.

[Mc Mike]

2. There are more of us, than there are of them. rec, Nt

[vanlassie]

3. That was the only thing that got me through for a few days.

[Mc Mike]

25. Hopefully, you feel better now, vl. nt.

[vanlassie]

28. Yes now that my DU world has been restored!

Thanks!

[Mc Mike]

29. Obviously we can make things unpleasant for them, here.

Or else they wouldn't have tried to destroy the site.

[Botany]

4. Before a single vote was cast, the election was fixed by GOP and Trump operatives.

http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/ <http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/>


Before a single vote was cast, the election was fixed by GOP and Trump operatives.

Starting in 2013 – just as the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act – a coterie of Trump operatives, under the direction of Kris Kobach, Kansas Secretary of State, created a system to purge 1.1 million Americans of color from the voter rolls of GOP–controlled states.

The system, called Crosscheck, is detailed in my Rolling Stone report,
“The GOP’s Stealth War on Voters <http://www.gregpalast.com/rolling-stone-expose-gops-secret-plan-steal-vote/>,” 8/24/2016.

Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922

Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824

Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393

[scarletlib]

5. Can't disagree with this.

But still even with the voter disenfranchisement we won the popular vote overall. Again the undemocratic Electoral College system gave Trump the win.

[PatSeg]

7. I was getting very upset

with all the liberal and Democratic bashing by liberals. Hillary did win the popular vote and republicans did suppress the vote in many places, but Democrats beat themselves up. Reminds me of an abuse victim who blames her/himself. Republican strategists must be very amused, watching Democrats eat their own.

[Mike Niendorff]

9. #ExactlyThis

HRC won the election, just like Gore did in 2000.

The "electoral college" is a system which essentially gives "extra ballots" to rural Republican areas, allowing their votes to count more than everyone else's. That's what has happened here. It is not democracy, it is not a Republican victory, it is simply built-in fraud.

Enough of this!

It's time to abolish the electoral college and establish direct election for the presidency -- just as our great grandparents already did (in 1913!) for election of Senators (hey: did you realize yet that Americans couldn't originally vote for our own Senators? That's because your grandparents **FIXED** that by passing the 17th Amendment!).

MDN

[scarletlib]

11. Could not agree more.

[randr]

10. I am going to remain a very sore winner

I still can not find words to express the sadness in my heart

[Greybnk48]

13. I keep saying this on Facebook, scarletlib

and it's like I'm saying nothing, or I get the old "what difference does it make." But it IS important, psychologically and actually, to see how Trump lost and that it was by a significant number. We did NOT lose, Trump did.

[Coyotl]

14. We need to control this narrative, "The Cheaters Won" is what happened.

We need to constantly call them cheaters!

Gerrymandering is cheating.

Voter suppression is cheating.

Voter caging is cheating.

Voter ID laws cheat voters.

Long lines for liberals is cheating.

Shorter voting hours is cheating.

Fewer polling places is cheating.

Felon laws are Jim Crow cheating.

And that's just the part we know about. How much rigging goes on when the cheaters control election boards?

[duffyduff]

17. Media corruption was the main problem in this election, not the others.

Unprecedented in American, perhaps world, history.

Hitler would have ruled the world if Jeff Zucker and CNN had been around then.

[Coyotl]

22. Right wing media is doing this globally. They overthrew the democracy in Brazil.

I warned of this numerous times. We need to be aware that it is an ongoing gl;obal problem and progessive governments are under attack by those controlling the media.

Right wing oligarchs control the media TO control governments.

[duffyduff]

16. When you figure about half of the voting population didn't vote at all,

it is even MORE tyranny by the minority.

Or simply tyranny, period.

We CAN push back, though.

[B Calm]

20. and about half of the ones who did were pinching their nose.

[Thinkingabout]

26. We had about 36% voting in 2012, voting by larger percentage will help a lot.

Having the excuse they were not excited by candidates is not an excuse either. Maybe we as voters should excite ourselves, if nothing else, get involved, get excited by candidates we know will help the middle class.

[DesertRat]

27. Thank you for saying this

You are correct. Hillary won the popular vote which in every other country is called THE VOTE.
More people DIDN'T VOTE at all than voted for Trump!

[SickOfTheOnePct]

30. I see your point

on Presidential popular vote (Hillary obviously won that), and on the Senate (Wyoming and California having the same representation, regardless of population), but I don't see it on the House.

There has to be a way for people at a more local level to have representation, and the House provides that.